What the hell just happened?

[Duetsche_Doggen]

She's turning into a bitch.

You're rubbing off on her.

That's exactly what I said.

LOL!!! I missed it.

 

[joshuagough]

Tucker went thru the same thing just shy of that same age.

His yard is his, people that could pet him before are now "no allowed" to touch him in his yard.. same way in the car, if you get to close you will be made aware your not welcome.

I would suggest you start immidately working on a "it's ok" command, something that shuts the dog off. I use "out" as thats not common and no one's going to say that to him, also the same word used in German for protection pups. I thought this activity was a good thing at first, and it is.. that's what they are supposed to do but left un-changed they can decide they are in control of the intensity level & when they should quit.

If the person looks out of place I will let him get away with it but old ladies & kids are not a threat.. I get on his case over that.

Good luck.

 

[cinnamon roll]

Well it poured all day today and no school tomorrow so I will try again on Monday and let you know what happened.

 

[cinnamon roll]

Josh was this a fear response or just him coming into his own? I completely agree if it someone out of place I would not want to correct her for that, but like you said kids and old ladies not appropriate. Thank you for the tips!!!

Tucker went thru the same thing just shy of that same age.

His yard is his, people that could pet him before are now "no allowed" to touch him in his yard.. same way in the car, if you get to close you will be made aware your not welcome.

I would suggest you start immidately working on a "it's ok" command, something that shuts the dog off. I use "out" as thats not common and no one's going to say that to him, also the same word used in German for protection pups. I thought this activity was a good thing at first, and it is.. that's what they are supposed to do but left un-changed they can decide they are in control of the intensity level & when they should quit.

If the person looks out of place I will let him get away with it but old ladies & kids are not a threat.. I get on his case over that.

Good luck.

 

[joshuagough]

Doubt it was fear if it was a kid, just her coming in to her temperament as a guardian.

I wouldn't be overly strong with corrections but you want to ensure you control when it's time to "chill". It can turn into a progressive action if you don't keep it in check, that's dependent of the dog tho.

Well it poured all day today and no school tomorrow so I will try again on Monday and let you know what happened.

 

[gamestaff]

we all have something in common on this board, we all have mastiff breeds. the simple truth is that each of these breeds (to varying extents and particulars) were created as dominant guard dogs. you are seeing what your dog is genetically programed to be, coming alive. you can't change what you dog's genetics are. you can control them. put yourself into a position of respect to your dog so that when (in the dogs eyes) a situation requires action (which might be as simple as barking and growling), he or she looks to you to set the tone for the response. this will not happen until you have the trust of your dog. in the meantime, the dog feels that he or she must decide the response.

 

[cinnamon roll]

Okay so I walked her today to get the boys. And it is most definitely a fear response. UGH!!!!!!!!! When we got by the little yappers she about jerked me off my feet to get away from the fence. She only growled at one little girl that was running past us, she never tried to get to the girl just looked and growled for a second. I did bring treats to distract and reward her for positive behavior. So I guess I am going to walk her as much as I can to get the boys from school when Andy is home as I do not want to take her on school grounds yet. One thing I am noticing and it is driving me crazy is her pulling when we walk. I have a martingale on her and that is not helping at all. Every time she started pulling I would put her in a sit (some times it took a few times of me demanding one to get her to comply). I think I am going to get a choker this week. (I have used those for over 20 yrs). Any tips or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

 

[cinnamon roll]

She allowed about 6 different kids to pet her today I was so proud!!!

 

[Hector]

Okay so I walked her today to get the boys. And it is most definitely a fear response. UGH!!!!!!!!! When we got by the little yappers she about jerked me off my feet to get away from the fence. She only growled at one little girl that was running past us, she never tried to get to the girl just looked and growled for a second. I did bring treats to distract and reward her for positive behavior. So I guess I am going to walk her as much as I can to get the boys from school when Andy is home as I do not want to take her on school grounds yet. One thing I am noticing and it is driving me crazy is her pulling when we walk. I have a martingale on her and that is not helping at all. Every time she started pulling I would put her in a sit (some times it took a few times of me demanding one to get her to comply). I think I am going to get a choker this week. (I have used those for over 20 yrs). Any tips or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Okay so she's fine with kids petting her, but not with kids being kids?

 

[cinnamon roll]

She was fine with every kid except the one girl. She growled when she first ran by (she dropped her shoe and when I told her she turned around and ran past again) when she ran by again she didn't make a sound.

 

[Hector]

CR have you tried a head collar? I'll find some videos I watched the other day that you can try. How does she respond to corrections?

 

[cinnamon roll]

Never heard on a head collar. LOL Guess I am old school and automatically think of the choker. Depends on the situation. Right now her ears appear to be broken. ( I told my breeder that she sold me a defective dog and she found that funny.

 

[ruthcatrin]

look up "head halter" or "halti" I don't personally like them but thats because Apollo LUNGES rather than PULLS, if she's PULLING then it might work for you

 

[Hector]

Here's the link. You have to scroll through to find the ones I put on the list. I think this might be better than the chain for you.

[url]http://abrionline.org/videos.php

I[/URL] would watch these videos for the gentle leader (head collar)

Fitting the gentle leader
Conditioning an emotional response

These are how to use it

Loose leash walking tips and tricks
Using gentle leader for pulling on leash
Response substitution with fearful dog parts 1, 2, 3
Changing emotions in fearful dog


If these methods don't work for you I have more links and different stuff to try out too if you'd like. I haven't tried the gentle leader on Hector

 

[joshuagough]

86 the halter, bad idea based on the fact it doesn't teach the dog anything.. your just jerking the dogs head around.

Get a properly fitted prong caller, don't get a choker. I've watched the videos you've posted and you need the leverage, the prong collar will apply equal force where as the choker doesn't plus the corrections you give can be significantly less forceful.

Good luck!

Never heard on a head collar. LOL Guess I am old school and automatically think of the choker. Depends on the situation. Right now her ears appear to be broken. ( I told my breeder that she sold me a defective dog and she found that funny.

 

[cinnamon roll]

I was speaking with Ruth about this and I think I am gonna go the prong route. Here is the one that she suggested

http://www.cherrybrook.com/index.cfm/a/catalog.prodshow/vid/429842/catid/510/vname/Herm_Sprenger_Quick_Release_Prong_Collars

 

[joshuagough]

Yep, has the disconnect.. good move and you can add links as they grow.

I would switch him back and forth between that and a flat collar, use your "no" command and correction, soon you won't need the prong as he will get the picture as to what the word "no" implies.

I was speaking with Ruth about this and I think I am gonna go the prong route. Here is the one that she suggested

http://www.cherrybrook.com/index.cfm/a/catalog.prodshow/vid/429842/catid/510/vname/Herm_Sprenger_Quick_Release_Prong_Collars

 

[cinnamon roll]

Thank you Josh. It was miserable walking her today she pulled the whole way home. I also was thinking of getting a traffic lead what are your thoughts on that?

 

[joshuagough]

My thought would be to ask your self how shorting the leash makes the dog stop pulling lol?

That's my smart butt side kicking in tho..

Use a regular leash and stop in your tracks when he starts pulling, at that point I start walking backwards (str8 back), call him back (he should come anyway because when you start backwards the leash will end pretty quickly).

As he's by you leg I switch hands with the leash behind my back and have the dog circle me to come up close on my left side (you can choose to do this or not). Then start back forwards when he's by your side, repeat for as long as he wants to pull and do this EVERY time you walk for the first 8 mins.. problem solved..

Thank you Josh. It was miserable walking her today she pulled the whole way home. I also was thinking of getting a traffic lead what are your thoughts on that?

 

[cinnamon roll]

Thank you from one smartass to another. I will def give it a try.

My thought would be to ask your self how shorting the leash makes the dog stop pulling lol?

That's my smart butt side kicking in tho..

Use a regular leash and stop in your tracks when he starts pulling, at that point I start walking backwards (str8 back), call him back (he should come anyway because when you start backwards the leash will end pretty quickly).

As he's by you leg I switch hands with the leash behind my back and have the dog circle me to come up close on my left side (you can choose to do this or not). Then start back forwards when he's by your side, repeat for as long as he wants to pull and do this EVERY time you walk for the first 8 mins.. problem solved..