Are Corsi considered a "fighting" breed?

[Mamacast]

Are Corsi considered a "fighting" breed?

Here I go again with yet another question that came out of a conversation that I had with yet a different trainer. I was looking up "protection" trainers in the Denver area and kept coming across one name. When he called me back I told him I was considering whether to add alert training into our program at some time and how to be evaluated for that. He asked what kind of dog I had and when I told him he said he did not recommend protection training for Mastiffs in general as they were a "fighting" breed that would generally not want to release with bite work (never mind that I only wanted alert training). He compared the Mastiff to a Shepard that would bite but release. I am getting so confused by these trainers . A corso was a guardian breed to guard livestock from boar, bear etc. I thought. They were also the guardians of villages with the most prominent person in the village given ownership of these dogs (or so I have read). Apparently they were also unfortunately used in stadium games against other animals (still not certain of this one). Does this make them a fighting breed? How does a mastiff differ from a terrier when it comes to fighting tendencies? I know from this forum that a Cane will not generally start something but does that mean that you would see the same holding bite that a pit would exhibit? Does anyone have any experience with protection training with a Corso? I now have 2 trainers that have said it is not a good idea but my immature thinking was that if a situation arose I would hope to have some control over the outcome, such as letting go! Thanks again for all the input.

 

[whit72]

Re: Are Corsi considered a "fighting" breed?

Get another trainer this idiot doesn't know what he's talking about.

There a working dog, the were bred as guardians. The release is a trained command no dog will release with out the necessary training.

Pitbulls don't release because the douchbags that own them haven't trained them.

Mastiffs are fighting dogs? Pleaser do not allow that trainer to have any contact with your dog., his stupidity might be contagious.

 

[whit72]

Re: Are Corsi considered a "fighting" breed?

Stupid phone.

Let me finish my thought. Cane corsos never fought in arenas, the Pugnax did and you can certainly trace their genealogy to them, they are not the same breed today.

I would suggest contacting a trainer with experience in Canes, you May have to travel some but the results will be worth it, Cane Corsos make fantastic protection dogs, ad with there extreme intelligence can be trained to do most any job at a exceptional level.

 

[coreyc]

Re: Are Corsi considered a "fighting" breed?

I'm with Whit find a new trainer the release is trained . I have been working with mine since I got he releases on command but doses not have the drive . look for the thread allstar working dogs it has some videos of corsos doing PSA they release just fine .time to look for the right trainer . I was told corsos are banned in Denver is that true?

 

[taisa899]

Re: Are Corsi considered a "fighting" breed?

The only dogs that are bred for fighting is the Bully Kutta

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[Mamacast]

Re: Are Corsi considered a "fighting" breed?

I'm with Whit find a new trainer the release is trained . I have been working with mine since I got he releases on command but doses not have the drive . look for the thread allstar working dogs it has some videos of corsos doing PSA they release just fine .time to look for the right trainer . I was told corsos are banned in Denver is that true?

We don't live in Denver but it is the closest metro area to us. I looked it up and Denver just bans Pits but both Aurora and Lone Tree ban Pits and "other fighting breeds" in which they have included Corsi.http://www.dogsbite.org/legislating-dangerous-dogs-colorado.php

 

[gamestaff]

Re: Are Corsi considered a "fighting" breed?

many "traditional" protection people work shepherds and prefer to work only shepherds. find a trainer with a broader resume.
every mastiff breed goes back to some kind of fighting heritage whether it be in an arena against other animals or against man. nothing wrong with a fighting heritage. terriers can say the same thing, the biggest difference mastiffs and terriers is the size of what they were created to fight.

 

[gamestaff]

Re: Are Corsi considered a "fighting" breed?

there are and have been many breeds created and bred as fighting dogs.

 

[whit72]

Re: Are Corsi considered a "fighting" breed?

The Corso was never bred to fight. Its ancestors have fighting blood in them however most of that had been bred out of the current breed.

Pitbulls and I'm classifying them all together were typically bred to fight and there lineage hasn't changed as the Corsos has.

No dog will fight until the death unless trained, most will fight until one takes a submissive posture or retreats, they fight for rank it isn't conducive to the pack to significantly injure one as it weakens them as a group.

 

[Mamacast]

Re: Are Corsi considered a "fighting" breed?

many "traditional" protection people work shepherds and prefer to work only shepherds. find a trainer with a broader resume.
every mastiff breed goes back to some kind of fighting heritage whether it be in an arena against other animals or against man. nothing wrong with a fighting heritage. terriers can say the same thing, the biggest difference mastiffs and terriers is the size of what they were created to fight.

I just posted onto the FB group hoping someone might have a recommendation for trainers in CO. Aside from that my first question should have been what kind of dogs do you train. Learning a lot here.

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

Re: Are Corsi considered a "fighting" breed?

Get a new trainer that one is not qualified to work a mastiff breed of dog.

 

[gamestaff]

Re: Are Corsi considered a "fighting" breed?

The Corso was never bred to fight. Its ancestors have fighting blood in them however most of that had been bred out of the current breed.

Pitbulls and I'm classifying them all together were typically bred to fight and there lineage hasn't changed as the Corsos has.

No dog will fight until the death unless trained, most will fight until one takes a submissive posture or retreats, they fight for rank it isn't conducive to the pack to significantly injure one as it weakens them as a group.

not sure where you are getting your information..... many many dogs die each year in accidental fights amongst members of all breeds. it happens in cases that have nothing to do with trained fighting dogs.

a corso a fighting dog like a pit bull?
no.
bred to engage in violence of it's own accord?
yes.
the corso was certainly bred to fight man.
any functional guard dog is bred and selected for it's willingness and ability to engage (or fight with) whatever threatens itself, it's owner or property.
guard dog = dog willing to do violence to defend (fight).
watchdog = dog willing to alert or intimidate to prevent.
cane corso by definition and classification = guard dog. a temperment and a body designed to guard it's owner and property.
to fight against threats.

 

[DennasMom]

Re: Are Corsi considered a "fighting" breed?

I would have thought any dog that has a tendency to bite (i.e. a guard dog) would be a good candidate for protection training - because that would be where you train the dog HOW you want them to protect you... and you would train them to LISTEN to you on when to let go.

Isn't a GSD also considered a guard dog (not a watch dog, per gamestaff's definitions, above)?

What kind of dogs do these trainers work with? Poodles?
I seem to recall seeing a lot of pitbull types used in protection work, too...
Cesar's Daddy being one of the more famous, and a great ambassador for his breed.

 

[gamestaff]

Re: Are Corsi considered a "fighting" breed?

sure. i suppose a trainer could work with any kind of dog. a pit bull (while some specimens can certainly make suitable protection dogs) were created to be involved in violent contests with other animals. using them in a protection role is not waht they historically are. a corso is historically bred to engage man.
a shepherd is used in many many different roles because of it's versitility. from protection to detection to herding to guide work, the list goes on.
many breeds have tendencies to bite. heelers, chows (general statements, not true for all examples) and are rarely if ever used for pp work. the breeds typically used are those with a high directable drive (mals, dutches, gsd's etc) and those with a hgih defensive drive (the dogs in this group, some more than others). pits and some other breeds are sometimes used but the bulk of dopg breeds being used fall into these groups. just because a dog will bite someone doesn't mean it can be used for any functional task. they really need to be either defending a person or property or able to take direction in their use or both.

sorry to the original poster that the thread has been highjacked.

 

[whit72]

Re: Are Corsi considered a "fighting" breed?

not sure where you are getting your information..... many many dogs die each year in accidental fights amongst members of all breeds. it happens in cases that have nothing to do with trained fighting dogs.

a corso a fighting dog like a pit bull?
no.
bred to engage in violence of it's own accord?
yes.
the corso was certainly bred to fight man.
any functional guard dog is bred and selected for it's willingness and ability to engage (or fight with) whatever threatens itself, it's owner or property.
guard dog = dog willing to do violence to defend (fight).
watchdog = dog willing to alert or intimidate to prevent.
cane corso by definition and classification = guard dog. a temperment and a body designed to guard it's owner and property.
to fight against threats.

Incorrect The Cane Corso never step foot on a battlefield and never fought man you can trace SOME of their lineage to the Pugnax but not all.

Yes many dogs die in fights each year, but I would say 99% of those deaths are unintentional.

Guarding dogs will fight as a last resort, you are correct but the intention is never to fight as it cause unnecessary harm, posturing and sparring will occur first with a fight being the last resort.

And Pitbulls were never meant to fight man, or even be aggressive towards them. That is a learned behavior.

 

[coreyc]

Re: Are Corsi considered a "fighting" breed?

http://www.apexcanecorso.com/about%20Cane%20Corsos.htm

 

[Mooshi's Mummy]

Re: Are Corsi considered a "fighting" breed?

many "traditional" protection people work shepherds and prefer to work only shepherds. find a trainer with a broader resume.
every mastiff breed goes back to some kind of fighting heritage whether it be in an arena against other animals or against man. nothing wrong with a fighting heritage. terriers can say the same thing, the biggest difference mastiffs and terriers is the size of what they were created to fight.

not every mastiff goes back to fighting. The Tibetan was not bred to fight but to guard. It's lions roar is usually enough to scare off a threat but they are an ultimate and fearless guardian breed but not a fighting breed.

 

[Mamacast]

Re: Are Corsi considered a "fighting" breed?

sure. i suppose a trainer could work with any kind of dog. a pit bull (while some specimens can certainly make suitable protection dogs) were created to be involved in violent contests with other animals. using them in a protection role is not waht they historically are. a corso is historically bred to engage man.
a shepherd is used in many many different roles because of it's versitility. from protection to detection to herding to guide work, the list goes on.
many breeds have tendencies to bite. heelers, chows (general statements, not true for all examples) and are rarely if ever used for pp work. the breeds typically used are those with a high directable drive (mals, dutches, gsd's etc) and those with a hgih defensive drive (the dogs in this group, some more than others). pits and some other breeds are sometimes used but the bulk of dopg breeds being used fall into these groups. just because a dog will bite someone doesn't mean it can be used for any functional task. they really need to be either defending a person or property or able to take direction in their use or both.

sorry to the original poster that the thread has been highjacked.

This is all on track for me.

 

[Mamacast]

Re: Are Corsi considered a "fighting" breed?

I would have thought any dog that has a tendency to bite (i.e. a guard dog) would be a good candidate for protection training - because that would be where you train the dog HOW you want them to protect you... and you would train them to LISTEN to you on when to let go.

Isn't a GSD also considered a guard dog (not a watch dog, per gamestaff's definitions, above)?
What kind of dogs do these trainers work with? Poodles?
I seem to recall seeing a lot of pitbull types used in protection work, too...
Cesar's Daddy being one of the more famous, and a great ambassador for his breed.

This was my original intent of bark training-I wanted to be able to control how my dog might react to any given situation.

 

[khplaw]

Re: Are Corsi considered a "fighting" breed?

I want to state that I have no expertise in this particular area, and share the information my research has produced. Corsi descent from the Canis Pugnax, being those dogs bred to accompany the Romans to war. It can be assumed they fought both man and beast. As the Romans diminished, and the need for this activity for the Corsi diminished with it, their use was "reassigned" to that of bear/boar/bull baiting and anything along those lines. As the need for these activities also diminished, the corsi became guardians of property and persons. In all the reading I have done, there is little said about how these dogs acquired or perfected these particular skills. It can be assumed is was learned behavior, but genetics certainly played a part to be sure. Being an extremely task oriented breed, one suspects they learn what they see and are instructed to do. If the breed, now properly revived, was not bred for the specific purpose in its recent inception of fighting, it can be assumed that there is still a genetic component somewhere, but no more so than in ANY dog. Any devoted dog will defend its person(s) in the face of danger. It is what they do isn;t it? The beauty of a Corso is that they do not reactively engage in violent behavior without some indication from the owner (pheremones, language, body language, gesture) that attack is appropriate. That said, a while a Corso will not start a fight, they will finish one. In considering whether or not I would want to train in protection to my personal Corso, I thought it best NOT to. Instead, I choose to train in a release command applicable to ALL things (robber, toy, another dog) and for use in all situations, trained in just as reliably as the recall command. My belief is that, genetics aside, in the event you require the animal to act to save you or a loved on, their own instincts, coupled with your instructions should be sufficient in an emergency. There are morons everywhere who will train ANY kind of dog to fight. Clearly, the biggest dog in that fight will win! Corsi are big, bad ass looking dogs which would make them ripe for breeding as a fighting dog. We as humans have an obligation to maintain the breed as purely as possible. Their evolution makes them guardians not fighters! I agree with Gamestaff's definitions and think that the Corso history will bear this out. Hope that helps.