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a month into being EM owners and we picked up a 2nd one :D

DonnieH

DonnieH

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He is unnamed, the male pick was born Jan 9th still waiting on updated pictures of him. Dad and mom our in the above average size. We get him on the 14th Im sooo excited. 1f28f4_2835e5aa285441d8976422e8e7e31ca2.jpg1f28f4_48300a164a304f4b98f5a9f21bd3bdf8.jpg1f28f4_a106749909a04e998ece48a4848e9bda.jpgdarcy.jpg
 
DonnieH

DonnieH

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The adult dog in top post is mom this is dad and his half sister (same dad) who is now 21 wks and 64lbs1506857_10203560941363543_1757645882_n.jpg1743599_10203589511637782_705543245_n.jpgdaddy o.jpg
 
DonnieH

DonnieH

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WalnutCrest said:
First, good luck with your TWO pups!

Second, what do you mean by "above average size"? What is your comparison?
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Idk Im new at this, but Bred standard is 150 fem-200 male right? so I would consider above average to be 180fem an over 200 male. Dad is 270 mom is 194. Here is a updated picture of him.1964917_10203611139298460_793560123_n.jpg
 
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WalnutCrest

WalnutCrest

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There NO way that the dog pictured as "Daddy O" is 270lbs. I'd be surprised if he is 170. In fact, there is also NO way that the bitch shown is 194 ... she's maybe 154.

Be aware that it's VERY common for people to overstate their dogs' size so that they can sell pups. It's particularly common among breeders who are not members of the MCOA, or any sort of local or regional breed or all-breed clubs and who are trying to sell pups to make money. Caveat emptor.

All that to say, while size and weight are important aspects of having a Mastiff, temperament and structure are just as important. As a relative new person to the breed, do your digging around -- find reputable breeders and learn from them.

Good luck with your pup!

This dog (named Muffin) was 270+:
 

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voidecho

voidecho

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Yeah, the male definitely doesn't look 270 to me either, but it could also be an old pic.

I think the breeders I got my EM from overstated the weights of the parents a bit too. My boy is 160 right now and his dad was supposed to be 220. Based off of memory, I don't think he was 60 lbs bigger than my boy now. I could be wrong.
 
WalnutCrest

WalnutCrest

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Overstating weights is a very common problem in Mastiffs amongst breeders and fanciers alike.

It's definitely not common to have a true 225lb male or 200lb female. They exist, but they're really not common. Our male is a big boy (definitely larger than the dad of the OP's pup), but he's only 190-200lbs ... and our bitch is definitely more stout than the mom to this pup, and she's about 180lbs.

Anyone who buys a pup because the breeder told them the pups dad was 250lbs or the mom was 200lbs is not alone...so, don't feel badly.
 
DonnieH

DonnieH

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When I picked up his half sister daisy I didnt even know the parents weight. You can pull up that thread from several weeks back. I met someone that has the male pictured "hugos" daughter on a fb group that female according to them is 230@ 2 yrs old. My chin hit the keyboard. So when I asked Gayle parent weights of this pups that im getting thats what she told me. Out of the 8 females she had the female picture d is double the size and her male hugo is literally the size of a lion. o_O I cant argue weights bc I didnt see proof but bone/muscle weighs much more then fat. So not knowing heights of animals widenths ect I find it really hard to judge from a picture. Meeting these guys in person..promise you biggest dogs ive ever seen. I never even knew they got that big!...but I picked him out from 3 litters she has. He just called my name. Weve had a few hiccups in this transaction. Plus she extremely hard to reach so Im deffinitly weary and beginning to feel like I will be more selective when it comes to breeders 10 yrs down the road when shopping is near
 
DonnieH

DonnieH

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Do the bigger dogs have more health/joint Iissues?? I figured keeping a lean animal would help..any tips on avoiding issues later?
 
voidecho

voidecho

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Yes, in general a bigger dog is going to have more issues. Not always, but in general. And if they have issues, they're probably harder to deal with because of the weight.

Things I've done to try to avoid health issues:
  • Not neuter before two years
  • Feed a good quality kibble (or raw would probably be better)
  • Don't overfeed, keep them lean and fit
  • Try to get them to grow at a slow steady pace
  • Don't feed too much calcium (< 1.6%, and keep calcium to phosporus ratio at 1.2%
  • For the first year or so try to keep jumping, stair climbing and other jarring movements to a minimum
  • Get them a moderate amount of excercise
Those are all of the things I'm doing specifically for the betterment of my boy's health.

As for weights, yes it's difficult to judge weight by a pic, but that male looks way too healthy, fit and trim to be 270. He could have a huge frame, but even then he looks too thin (a very healthy looking thin) to weigh that much. Now if the pic is old, he certainly could have filled out from then and could weigh 270 now, but I don't think he'd look like he does in that pic.

Here's the father of my next pup. I really like the look of his head and I do like that he's a "thicker looking" mastiff, but I also think he's overweight and would have no intention of letting my pup get this big. He's 35.5 at the withers, which is very tall.

http://www.stonehavenmastiff.com/judah.htm
 
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