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Looking for breeding info

Patrick

Well-Known Member
I have a formentino colored female (blue fawn) and a fawn male (black mask). My girl will only be 9 months old this month so it will be at least 15 months before an attempt is made ..... I was wondering what color pups might come from this pair. My girl is in heat right now and my boy is going crazy with the separation!! He has even began howling !!!! Lol. .. he had Never done that before.... but her heat cycle got me wondering.. her parents are blue, and brindle... his parents are a black and brindle...anyone have any experience with these 2 colors in breeding.. if so please let me know the outcome of the colors?????
Thanks in advance
 

Boxergirl

Well-Known Member
I'm sure you expected this from me ... please make sure to do all appropriate health testing on your male and your female before breeding. Not a vet check. The real deal. Every breeder owes that to the puppies they'll be producing. Make no mistake. If you breed once, you're a breeder. Please be a responsible one.
I suggest that you do a lot of reading on color genetics. Color genetics is more involved than it seems. There's a lot of info available and you have plenty of time to learn. It's more than just a formentino and fawn will produce these colors. You should understand why they produce them. I know I'm being pushy and I won't apologize for it. I feel strongly that every breeder should do their best to know their breed inside and out before deciding to produce a litter. Health issues. Color genetics. The whole deal. That's how you make sure that you're educated enough to choose the two dogs that will complement each other and hopefully better the breed. That's what breeding is for. The betterment of the breed you love. Why is your female the best complement to your male? At nine months you don't really know what you have yet. Be honest enough to really look at the strengths and faults of your dogs in 15 months and decide, with your head and the betterment of the breed in mind, if crossing them will produce pups that enhance the breed as a whole. Ask for opinions from those that really know the breed and hear what they say. And while I'm being super annoying, I'll toss this one out. I believe every breeder should be active in rescue and every responsible breeder I know is, in one way or another.

Patrick, I'm not trying to jump you or say you won't breed responsibly. I know this post sounds like I'm judging. I'm not judging you. I don't know you. What I am is passionate about the breeds I love and keeping them what they should be. We have a lot of lurkers and it's important that people realize breeding is more than just putting two dogs they love together to make puppies. Shelters and rescues are full of the pups from breedings like that. In the words of the fox from The Little Prince, “You become responsible forever for what you’ve tamed." I just want anyone reading to stop and think before they act because this is about bringing lives into the world and it should be done responsibly by everyone.
 

Patrick

Well-Known Member
You are correct. I was looking to hear from YOU.... lol
I Never take it personal... I research for hours about 6 days a week !! I have a passion for this... Not a hobby. I am having a climate controlled kennel built next month. I have researched the coloring... I just wanted to see if anyone had anything different. I want as much info as possible. I have already had DNA testing done on my male. I will be getting hips, eyes, heart, elbows and everything else done once he is 24 months old. The same will be done with my girl. I like bouncing what I think off You, so please don't think I take it personal or get upset. I was actually smiling while reading your comment. I feeling I am a Corso addict...lol. there is Not enough information for me.... I constantly want more....lol
As always... I appreciate your input.
 

Dstack

Well-Known Member
I'm sure you expected this from me ... please make sure to do all appropriate health testing on your male and your female before breeding. Not a vet check. The real deal. Every breeder owes that to the puppies they'll be producing. Make no mistake. If you breed once, you're a breeder. Please be a responsible one.
I suggest that you do a lot of reading on color genetics. Color genetics is more involved than it seems. There's a lot of info available and you have plenty of time to learn. It's more than just a formentino and fawn will produce these colors. You should understand why they produce them. I know I'm being pushy and I won't apologize for it. I feel strongly that every breeder should do their best to know their breed inside and out before deciding to produce a litter. Health issues. Color genetics. The whole deal. That's how you make sure that you're educated enough to choose the two dogs that will complement each other and hopefully better the breed. That's what breeding is for. The betterment of the breed you love. Why is your female the best complement to your male? At nine months you don't really know what you have yet. Be honest enough to really look at the strengths and faults of your dogs in 15 months and decide, with your head and the betterment of the breed in mind, if crossing them will produce pups that enhance the breed as a whole. Ask for opinions from those that really know the breed and hear what they say. And while I'm being super annoying, I'll toss this one out. I believe every breeder should be active in rescue and every responsible breeder I know is, in one way or another.

Patrick, I'm not trying to jump you or say you won't breed responsibly. I know this post sounds like I'm judging. I'm not judging you. I don't know you. What I am is passionate about the breeds I love and keeping them what they should be. We have a lot of lurkers and it's important that people realize breeding is more than just putting two dogs they love together to make puppies. Shelters and rescues are full of the pups from breedings like that. In the words of the fox from The Little Prince, “You become responsible forever for what you’ve tamed." I just want anyone reading to stop and think before they act because this is about bringing lives into the world and it should be done responsibly by everyone.
I’ve copied/cut/paste- well said!
 

timmy59

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Small time farmer here, never understood breeding for color.. As a farmer it's quality of flesh 1st.. Proper attributes of the type.. Be it a pig,chicken, horse or dog.. I have dabbled in the basics of genetics and I'd have to guess the formentino color is a dilute or quite possibly a double dilute.. Palomino, buckskin and dun horses are dilute colors.. If you breed 2 palominos together you stand a roughly 25% chance of getting a creamello (double dilute) Perlinos come from the other 2 dilutes.. Besides body color it always changes eye color.. I like my black dog, she be hard to see in the dark.. Hehe..
 

Patrick

Well-Known Member
Small time farmer here, never understood breeding for color.. As a farmer it's quality of flesh 1st.. Proper attributes of the type.. Be it a pig,chicken, horse or dog.. I have dabbled in the basics of genetics and I'd have to guess the formentino color is a dilute or quite possibly a double dilute.. Palomino, buckskin and dun horses are dilute colors.. If you breed 2 palominos together you stand a roughly 25% chance of getting a creamello (double dilute) Perlinos come from the other 2 dilutes.. Besides body color it always changes eye color.. I like my black dog, she be hard to see in the dark.. Hehe..

My main goal is the betterment of the breed. I was just curious about the color.
 

BattleDax

Well-Known Member
I like my black dog, she be hard to see in the dark.. Hehe..
Yeah, a couple people I know of feel the same way: Herr Dobermann and me. :D

It's why, when I was still considering a Bullmastiff, that I thought I would like a Brindle. Not black, but still pretty stealthy in the dark.

Some black CCs I've seen, though, have an unappealing feature. Put it this way: If they were out running around in the dark all you might see, besides the possible white on the chest and maybe toes, is a big pink butt hole bouncing around. Not interested in that feature on my dog.