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A question for Experienced Fila owners

chuckorlando

Well-Known Member
It is funny how almost all the blacks I've seen look very close to the same no matter where they came from. Thats a hell of a feat for a bunch of mutts. Hell Juan, if yall could get half your dogs to be as typy as the blacks, we might be onto something
 

aceoutdoor

Well-Known Member
Darn it Chuck, when are you gonna learn. If your dog is not a fawn or light brindle and it doesn't go thru your picture window to get at your friend talking to your wife...........IT AIN'T A FILA!! Man you are thick headed. Some people.
 

dogman#1

Well-Known Member
lol, Never said brindles... read the posts . I have actually seen very good darker brindles even a Unifila champ was a very dark brindle but he showed no signs of mixed breeding....I said black dogs. Unifila accepts black dogs they just havent found one to date that shows no signs of mixed breeding... lol, you guys dont want me to post up pics of black dogs LMAO...typie, you guys are rich.

Popular? there is only 1 kennel that "specializes is the rare black fila brasileiro" and we all know who that is, lol. the others may have 1 or even just a couple but trust me most stay away from them like the plague... how many does sene sene have? he has a ton of dogs, how many are black? might be a reason why that number is what it is...
 
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Tiger12490

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He doesnt breed for black lol nor does he say I breed rare black fila anywhere at all....a matter of fact his pride enjoy ...which is a very very onery dog (ive met the dog sorta lol) is brindle...black is dominnant if you family breed for long enough and you have black dogs...thats what color will keep appearing..you dont have to breed for it..plus noone said hes holy grail of breeders...because hes not....but his dogs all look the same and all show temp...something alot of Fila lack...and like chuck said crazy how alot of the mutt bred black fila look the same..but there isnt that consistency with cafib dogs....and were not talking about over fed dogs because of course they wont look the same

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chuckorlando

Well-Known Member
Besides lionsden Lonewolf has a ton of blacks and they all look the same as mine and lionsden. Aim in mexico their dark brindles are bout nuts on. Eshabeta has some nuts on blacks. Granada has some spot ons. Briarwood as well. Kevlar to. .canildosertao/ Thats just a fast search using fila breeders as a search

I also did not cherry pic them for the better dogs. I clicked every single breeder and lnked everyone with blacks.

But then you have some cafibs who's dogs swing from coast to coast in their own stock
http://www.cariocadogs.com/Sires-and-Dams.html

Thats jus the first cafib breeder I came across. Though many other cafibs have awesome dogs that are very typey.
 
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Tiger12490

Well-Known Member
I would love to know why the black dogs are so damn consistent being mutts that should be impossible.... and why the pure bred cafib dogs seem to lack the same consistency..... also why temperament showing cbkc dogs are getting kicked out of shows for being Fila while both of those things should be impossible from cbkc dogs... right? There not fila yet they seem to be proving cafib wrong without 90 year old documents written by who knows getting paid by who knows..... proof seems to be more in the pudding....

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aceoutdoor

Well-Known Member
lol, Never said brindles... read the posts . I have actually seen very good darker brindles even a Unifila champ was a very dark brindle but he showed no signs of mixed breeding....I said black dogs. Unifila accepts black dogs they just havent found one to date that shows no signs of mixed breeding... lol, you guys dont want me to post up pics of black dogs LMAO...typie, you guys are rich.

Popular? there is only 1 kennel that "specializes is the rare black fila brasileiro" and we all know who that is, lol. the others may have 1 or even just a couple but trust me most stay away from them like the plague... how many does sene sene have? he has a ton of dogs, how many are black? might be a reason why that number is what it is...


Say what? Cafib frowns on dark brindles, and you yourself in the past said they were mixed. I guess you evolved on that one. Dude there are dozens of breeders with black Filas in their program. There are several times the breeders with blacks in their program than there are Cafib breeders in the US by far. And like Tiger said just because a breeder has blacks doesn't mean all their dogs are black or that they breed for that color solely. Juan when it comes to dogs you are an extremest who fails to see reason. I'll bet you could be shown a full litter of blacks from good blood, every single one of them mature and have some of the hardest temps you have ever seen, have the correct personality characteristics, have u lips, proper top line, proper ear set and you would still deny the truth that they are Filas. Awesome Filas at that.


You tell people their black or CBKC Filas aren't Filas at all, they are mongrels. Well even though the dog that won that show and most Cafib dogs in the states don't fit my or many others opinions of what a Fila should look like, I have never said they are not real Filas. They are just a different type, and a result of poorly chosen breeding specimens. And from the looks of them they could use a few good meals.
 
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dogman#1

Well-Known Member
"Say what? Cafib frowns on dark brindles, and you yourself in the past said they were mixed. I guess you evolved on that one. Dude there are dozens of breeders with black Filas in their program. There are several times the breeders with blacks in their program than there are Cafib breeders in the US by far. And like Tiger said just because a breeder has blacks doesn't mean all their dogs are black or that they breed for that color solely. Juan when it comes to dogs you are an extremest who fails to see reason."

SOOO, I "fail to see reason" however I "evolved on dark brindles"? .... do you even read what you type? I am the ONLY person on here that has the ability to change his mind apparently. When I see convincing evidence I change my mind but NO evidence can change yours'. IF I saw not just one but multiple litters of correct black dogs I would change my mind but that has not happened to date... when that happens one has to use logic that if it hasnt happened in this long a time that maybe it just cant happen. Now if you want to look at consistent black dogs look at lions den... that's right the worst of the worst seems to have the most consistent look and YES he does "specialize in the rare black color".... now I am saying they are consistent just not consistently correct.

BTW if someone asks me what I think of their dog and it is obviously out of standard or, gasp, dare I say it? A MONGREL.... should I keep that to myself and tell them they got the best show quality dog the BYB had to offer? No, I will leave that for your sect. I will tell them what I think based on the knowledge that i have.
 
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chuckorlando

Well-Known Member
To hell wth lions dens all look aike. All the folks I mentioned blacks look alike across the board. But just in the one cafib breeder I posted it goes from a broke down brindle whos hind legs look like their gonna give out to a narrow ass fawn.

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And I highly highly doubt you, of all people have spent much time looking at black litters or black dogs period. Hell just a second ago you said only one breeder mostly messed with blacks. It took all of 10min and 3 pages to find 10
 

chuckorlando

Well-Known Member
And I highly highly doubt you, of all people have spent much time looking at black litters or black dogs period. Hell just a second ago you said only one breeder mostly messed with blacks. It took all of 10min and 3 pages to find 10
 

aceoutdoor

Well-Known Member
To hell with lions dens all look alike.

I agree, his dogs are not consistent. I have said before he has some good bloodlines, some not and some dogs which have no business even being bred. But he is such a snake you can't believe who the parents really are unless you are local and can monitor the litter before, during and after birth.
 
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chuckorlando

Well-Known Member
I would never even consider them. But you can look at their blacks and look at someone elses blacks and anyone not knowing what a fila was, would know they are of the same breed. What ever breed that is, they are the same kinda dog. Even with what ever variances their maybe
 

Tiger12490

Well-Known Member
I was lucky enough to spend a little time at his ranch and i met some very very good looking dogs i "met" my pups parents and hell i cant complain even though others have had horrible experience.... but ill tell you all the dogs I PERSONALLY SAW all looked and acted a like and where down right mean....and were more consistent than what ive seen alot of the CAFIB dogs...i do not condone him nor would i purchase another...BUT i made out decent haha and my dog is consistent with what other black fila look like and the stock i got her from....she has pretty clear temp and i also think wud make a decent show dog from what i know of fila....
 

dogman#1

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Actually, his (lions dens) black dogs are the most consistent ones I have seen and that is actually a very big kudos to him and his program... now, knowing that do you realize who has his dogs? ie, some of the kennels you guys posted perhaps? You guys dont even know what a CAFIB dog is so how can you say that they are inconsistent? you guys where just pointing out how "de la luna is a CAFIB breeder" and how her "CAFIB dog" looks bad... she doesnt own any CAFIB dogs at the moment, she doesnt even follow the CAFIB standard... tell me again how she can be a CAFIB breeder? I stated before Sene, sene has some CAFIB dogs, he even shows them in CAFIB shows and has owned some approved CAFIB dogs and he isnt even close to being a CAFIB breeder, lol. The problem is that you guys have this insane redition that CAFIB dogs are small and falling apart but that picture come to you from non CAFIB breeders putting up junk photos of puppies, awkward pics or dogs that have never had anything to do with CAFIB at all, not in blood and not in evals or anything but something in that kool aid keeps you wanting that to be true some how...could it be, perhaps that you own a non CAFIB dog and therefor feel somewhat protective not only of your dog but of your pride? nah, foolishness, lol. BTW I said SPECIALIZE in black dogs...lions den has more black dogs then any other breeder in the U.S.A and he says he specializes in them. You guys want to fault the show for kicking his dogs out? you cant it is in the standard they follow... BTW they werent disqual'd due to temp.. they were disqual'd to to the lack of control that the handler had of them...2 different things. I personally dont care whether or not the owner has control of his/her dogs or not because at our shows if there is a dog like that we all give ALOT of room and if the handler cant effectively control the dog it is tied to an inanimate object and the dog gets evaluated like that.

I also want to pont out that I NEVER said that non CAFIB dogs dont have proper temp but it is true that many do not.. The fact that they are mixed bred will give you an idea as to why that may be.... but one has to always remember that they do have atleast some fila in them and some of them are straight up, balls to the walls hardcore fila in temp only.
 
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chuckorlando

Well-Known Member
Juan one dont need to know cafib dogs. All one has to do is search cafib breeders. Their easy to spot as most claim it and the propaganda on their sites. If I look at a cafib site, again, easy to see what cafib dogs look like. I also never said cafib has bad dogs in anyway. If a person has cafib dogs, breeds cafib dogs, has them approved by cafib, shows them at cafib shows.... He must be waiting to learn the secrete hand shake cause that sure as hell sounds like a cafib breeder. I dont think cafib dogs are bad. I think the myth you try to create about how awesome they are is bad. Cafibs do not all look the same. If you think they do your shitting your self. It is amazing to me that LD can apparantly make a mutt, then make mutt babies, then send said mutts all over the US, pair those mutts up with real filas, and even more mutts, and consistantly throw off a the same look. That mutt pairing has some serious dna in it's blood

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Oh and Juan f Kona wa a mutt, it would not hurt my feelings one bit. Whats the gain for me to argue with you? If I was conserned with hiding the fact I have a mutt, and protecting my feelings, I would not be in this thread. In fact I would be like many of the fila owners on here that never show their dogs and rarely speak. I've owned more mutts than anything and never gave a damn bout calling it a mutt. I only need solid facts that have no refute. Not theorys or explanations of past mistakes.
 

chuckorlando

Well-Known Member
Oh and Juan f Kona wa a mutt, it would not hurt my feelings one bit. Whats the gain for me to argue with you? If I was conserned with hiding the fact I have a mutt, and protecting my feelings, I would not be in this thread. In fact I would be like many of the fila owners on here that never show their dogs and rarely speak. I've owned more mutts than anything and never gave a damn bout calling it a mutt. I only need solid facts that have no refute. Not theorys or explanations of past mistakes.
 

Tiger12490

Well-Known Member
Yeee I own a real mutt lol if Athena was one I would not care one bit I promise I just dont think you have any proof she is...and like chuck said I still dont understand the consistency with black dogs and not with CAFIB dogs if the black ones are mutts and the Cafib dogs are purebred and u still havent explained that..so my dog comes from consistent dogs with a fila temp and phenotype and is a mutt am I missing something?

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aceoutdoor

Well-Known Member
Actually, his (lions dens) black dogs are the most consistent ones I have seen and that is actually a very big kudos to him and his program...

http://www.filaslionsden.com/our_dogs/females/niurkas_htm_files/571.jpg

http://www.filaslionsden.com/our_dogs/males/edu_pedro_htm_files/1057.jpg


Consistent? Not even close. But I'm sure he appreciates your praise.

BTW you are obviously not a judge (thank God) so your opinion matters not in a dog show for pure bred Fila Brasileiros.

Right back at you champ. Time for some new spectacles.