Discussion in 'Mastiff Rescue & Adoption' started by mmmcc, Dec 6, 2018.
got this picture from a friend:
I tweeted it out.
I sure wish shelters and animal controls would contact rescue in these cases. If I've got the right shelter, and I think I do, the adoption fees are super low. Like $45. That's darn near an impulse adoption and too many people adopt on looks alone - especially this close to Christmas. I hope a rescue can pull this dog. There's a Neo mix there too that I hope gets pulled. It does look like they only allow some dogs to go to breed rescues, so hopefully they're careful about placement.
I agree it would be a disaster in my area also. Another thing came to mind after seeing this as I don't look at rescues or pounds anymore since they killed that happy tail wagging dog that I was looking at with my daughter. With the drastic differences in Cane Corso today with these imbecile show breeders, how the hell does someone know if they are getting a lab or a guard dog? Very sad indeed.
What happened with the dog you were looking at? It's very rare for a rescue to euthanize, unless there really are no other options. Were you at a kill shelter?
No, It was a shelter in Orlando, it was traumatizing. We were looking at this cute mutt and the officer came and put it on a leash and the dog wagged its tail happy and they walked it back to its demise we found out when we asked, it never left my head. It was that moment that I realized all these animal control officers are no empathy people and it was a horror show job. Never returned since.
Yes there is always an option. Euthanization is for lazy no empathy people.
I do understand how traumatic that must have been for you and your daughter. My first ever dog as an adult was a GSD puppy. My now husband and I walked into the shelter in our college town and picked her out. As we were carrying her out a man was walking in. They told us at the desk that we'd just made it in time. That man was there to euthanize the rest of the litter. I was devastated and that's the exact moment I became active in rescue and animal welfare.
Until people stop breeding dogs just for the fun of it, to get one "just like him," or to see the miracle of life ... or because they can't be bothered to make sure their dogs don't procreate, kill shelters will exist. Until people stop buying dogs based on looks alone or as impulse buys - or for their kids - animals will be euthanized. This time of year is awful for this kind of thing. Do you know how many people get a new puppy for Christmas and send the old one to the shelter? More than you might think. The unfortunate fact is that there just aren't enough homes for all the dogs in shelters. And it's not responsible breeders that are at fault, contrary to what a lot of people might say. That dog you saw, and the litter I saw, that was euthanized is why the majority of people should spay and neuter their dogs. Most animal control and shelter workers aren't heartless. There are the exceptions, of course. There always are. But the majority of them aren't heartless. People wonder why shelters spay and neuter their pups at 6 weeks? Because it's the only way they can really assure those dogs won't be procreating and adding to the unwanted pet population.
There's also a very real thing called compassion fatigue. This is an issue that is very important to me as I have a daughter that already struggles with depression and has chosen a career in the animal care and training field. A field where the suicide rate is uncommonly high. I'm extremely proud of the work she does. I'm also terrified of the toll it takes on her mentally and emotionally. Please consider reading a bit about compassion fatigue in animal care workers. Here's just one article. There are plenty of others.
I'd welcome a discussion about this issue, but this probably isn't the place to do it. Maybe the controversial section. I'd like to hear your thoughts about this.
Wow, I wasn‘t aware of this at all. Animal rescue workers have the highest suicide rate of all workers in the US according to this article. Quite honestly, I have never thought about this issue in detail, but now that I do, it‘s not very surprising. Although many people might consider this to be wrong, I personally very often care more about the destiny of an animal than I care about the destiny of a human. It obviously depends on the situation and context, but I could see how working in animal rescue can be psychologically challenging. Most of us here on the forum get sick from just reading about all these sad stories, or like Steven from running into one particular situation. Imagine dealing with this all day and every day. This should not be underestimated at all. Thank you for making us aware of this issue. Apart from the factual numbers, I have no doubt that this is very real.
No worries, I won't bring any controversy into the thread. I know I probably go to far sometimes and i'm guessing its after 8 years of interrogations. In college a professor accused me of being intimidating as I was asking her questions she didn't like. I actually ending up proving she was the one that was intimidating through her threatening emails. lol
Lets just say I will agree to disagree that all are not heartless. I just don't see how anyone with any kind of a heart could give an innocent dog a needle under any circumstances. Its not dying, its not vicious, its not their by any fault of its own. People with hearts do not get that job. At a veterinarian clinic you euthanize to remove the pain for loving people that cared for a dog all its life, or a dog that has fell ill. This will always be my opinion as its a very strong one. I looked right at all the workers in the shelter and I could see clearly that none of them had empathy.
Now if you would like to open a thread and tell me exactly where Mr .Bill C is in jail, I will see you over there as I am all ears. lol
My opinion is also a very strong one. I do wish you'd be willing to discuss this in the other forum. There's nothing at all wrong with controversy or differing opinions. There's nothing wrong with asking difficult questions. This is how we learn. The controversial and heated section was created to have discussions where people may disagree.
Serious questions, not meant to come off snarky or anything. Have you ever worked in a shelter? Have you ever seen what happens to a dog that becomes unadoptable from being in a cage for so long without adequate time and attention? Do you volunteer your time and your money to these shelters? What about breed rescue? Are you active in that? What are you, personally, doing to improve the situation you feel so strongly about? Again, it's a serious question. What you may have seen as having no empathy could very well have been compassion fatigue. There are only so many tears you can cry before you have to shut your emotions down to survive. Did you read the article I posted? I'd like to hear your thoughts about that. I've watched my daughter turn her emotions off in order to do a job. I watched her do it for our own dog on October 8th. I watched her matter of factly grab her stethoscope after the vet left to check for a heartbeat and I watched her put her dog in a bag and in the freezer - heartlessly and without tears - because she didn't trust anyone else to do it. An outsider looking on would have thought she didn't care. Appearances aren't always what them seem.
Do you really think that vets only euthanize animals that are sick and suffering? Not so. People bring in unwanted animals. People bring in animals with costly health issues (often due to their own negligence) and then expect the vet to treat without payment. They get angry because they are asked to sign over ownership so the animal gets the needed treatment if they are unable or unwilling to pay. Someone has to pay for the care. Go back and search my posts from last year and you'll find Stuart. He was an example of a dog whose owners were unwilling to pay for his care. So my daughter took him and payed for him out of her own pocket. His treatment was not free. We then spent months trying to find him a home. Easier said than done. There's a reason animal care workers always have a full house. At the time my daughter said to me, "I can't do this for all of them, but I can do this for him."
Please. Seriously, please. If you have strong opinions and ideas on how we can never have to euthanize a healthy but unwanted animal again - please share. You do understand that many (again, not all) no-kill shelters are just as "heartless" as kill shelters in their own way. Many simply refuse to take in animals that will put their no-kill status at risk or harm their statistics.
I'm not sure why you're bringing up Bill Cosby again. That's totally irrelevant to this discussion. Last I heard he was sentenced to 3 to 10 years for sexual assault. I'm more than willing to discuss that too, but I'm not sure what there is to say. You're the one that brought it up, perhaps you should be the one to initiate a topic and I'll be happy to add to the discussion. As I said before, there's nothing wrong with heated debate as long as everyone is willing to listen to the other side. Who knows, maybe we can learn from each other. I know I'm not always right, are you?
I want to be clear on a couple things, show breeders are not solely responsible for the downfall of any breed, they are simply one piece of a messed up puzzle with blame needing to be placed equally throughout.
There are certainly those without compassion working in fields that should have it, nurses, doctors, etc but there are also those that work in fields that often are construed as not having compassion vs becoming desensitized to the situation because they are required to do things that would tear ones heart out so they appear unfeeling or detached to save themselves. Kill shelters I am sure have far more challenges for the people that work here.
I am also not one of those people that think that Euthanise is the worst thing that can happen to an animal. In my world dogs that are terrified of life and everything it presents, dogs that through no fault of their own are left in a shelter for years, etc. That is strictly my opinion and I have more than my share of discussions on why that is not popular and that is alright for others to have opinions that don't agree, not agreeing or seeing me as a terrible person will not hurt my feelings.
I would hope that a professional vet would make the right decision and call a rescue or a non kill shelter if someone brought them an "unwanted" dog. Or any dog that is not ill. A vet is not the executioner and its not their job to kill because some moron bought a dog and decided it was too difficult to own or that it was aggressive towards their undisciplined children.
I won't open another thread on this as a million books or ideas could never change my mind on the topic. What you are saying is that they do it for "money" to survive. This is no reason, if this became part of my job I would leave. I like that some vets decide to treat the animal and keep them, that's probably what I would do also. But we are not discussing treatment, we are discussing giving a needle to any dog that is not already on his/her way out the door.
Fair enough on the show breeders. The reason I made this claim is because those are the ones i'm hearing are injecting Great dane for size, Pitbull for coloring and headsize ect ect or whatever they are doing. So I make that assumption that this is where the entire CC issue has sprouted from. To be honest I don't see any other motivation besides a dollar to ruin the breed.
As far as vets executing "unwanted" dogs. Could you imagine the dumbest populace ever having the ability to decide to kill a dog because it is "unwanted".. I don't want this populace making even 1 decision for me in any aspect of my life, nevermind making a decision for the unlucky dog they bought or adopted. A vet should immediately decline or accept the dog and contact a life saving rescue they should have in their rolodex after years of stupids bringing dogs in to kill because they are "unwanted".
I'm not sure where you got that I said they were in it for the money, because I never said that. So you don't want to discuss this. That's too bad because until more people can come up with ideas, things aren't going to change. The situation isn't as black and white as you think and your comments indicate that you have no first hand experience with this at all, other than one bad incident at a shelter. I really would like to know what you - you personally - are doing to help the unwanted dogs in the shelter. Are you opening your home and wallet to foster? Are you transporting dogs to rescues where they have a better chance of being adopted? Are you willing to adopt one of these unwanted dogs into your home? What are you doing to help the situation besides judging people whose shoes you've never walked in? How many animals do you think vets and their employees can take home? It's a simple question, really. What are YOU doing to help?
And here's the thing. It's not about changing *your* mind. It's about brainstorming and coming up with ideas. It's about opening a dialogue that may produce ideas that could help a what's been a serious problem for many years. It's about being part of the solution.
Actually yes, I have and do open my wallet as well as take in a small dog should it need my help. We are open to having 6 or 7 small dogs. I have taken the most unwanted abused dogs in the streets of Colombia to the vet to treat infections and remove bugs or whatever else they need and continually went and purchased hamburgers for strays from the nearest tienda that could get me some quick food as I had none in this particular city. Also these are not strays but owned by disgusting people that could care less.
In my house in Tangier there is a rescue with lots of dogs many without working back legs and we plan on donating however we can to this woman, we discuss it often. There is an illegal skin trade in China where they skin dogs alive to provide big corporate with shoes, shaving items and jackets with dog fur claiming its other fur. They have blocked this off to civilians as its illegal. There are some people that have the ability to film these horrendous actions to close these no empathy bastards down.
I do more than my fair share. I will always judge and wonder how a shelter worker could have a heart so black and tainted.
Perhaps I've assumed you live in the states when you do not? It sounds like that may be the case. I'm really glad to hear that you're willing to be involved. I do think that there is a difference in approach in dealing with street dogs vs. dogs already in over crowded shelters. I think that with the passion you show for certain causes that you could, perhaps, initiate some changes in the institutions that you wish to see modified. You know - "be the change you wish to see in the world" and all that.
I do live in the states, but I lived in Colombia for 6-7 years in most cities there. We have recently decided to leave the states and move to the mountains of Tangier, we have been setting things up(dog passports, carriers ect) over there slowly for the move and honestly cannot wait to leave what used to be the greatest place in the world. When purchasing our home over there we learned of the woman that is Moroccan who lived in France and learned how great dogs were, against her culture, she decided to go back home and create a rescue of which now holds a lot of dogs.
In the meantime, I hope this dog has been rescued. I hate looking at this picture knowing that this dog has an uncertain future, quite possibly even a no empathy shelter worker removing her from existence.
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