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Does anyone use these breeds for what they were originally bred for?

JoshCan1

New Member
I don't want to push anyones buttons but it seems that only a few of these breeds and breeders are actually being used for what they where really bred for. I believe in this day and age there should be a way for us to legally display our dogs abilities in a controlled manner. And I am not just talking pp sports or just hog hunting. It seems that everyone only wants the look not do.
 

cj-sharpy

Well-Known Member
More than likely not.
I'd like to learn what the different breeds were originally bred for though. I know Bullies were bred for game keepers protecting animals from poachers. Bred for a balance of speed and weight to catch a poacher and have enough mass to knock him off his feet and hold him.
Only other one I (think) I know is the EM.
Bred by Germans for war, adopted by the Romans and exported to England when they needed war dogs to help them conquer english tribes. Adopted by the english for war and later bred to be guard dogs for live stock and property, also used for bear fighting.
As the need for guarding waned and bull, bear, and dog fighting were outlawed the breed was again altered to gain a more docile temperament to allow the dog to e more of a pet but still maintain guarding instinct.
Not sure at all about other breeds and there's good chance I'm wrong about these too.


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Max's mom

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Laughing....I can't picture lazy a$$ Max mustering up enough energy (even at 11 months old) to go off to war. He's tired and takes a nap after 15 minutes of pretend fighting over who gets which stuffed animal and who gets which bed!
 

BlackShadowCaneCorso

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Reality is 90% of the dogs that are currently around are not and oftentimes could not be used for the jobs they were originally bred for. Some don't even appear to look like what they original dogs do. There are exceptions to the rule but I would say the bulk can not. Times have evolved and so have dogs, there are new jobs that they can perform to still have a use but it is unlikely to be their original job. For the most part original jobs were about survival of the owners, now it is less of an issue in most places.
 

Rugers-Kris

Well-Known Member
I agree that there are very few that are being bred to be the dogs they once were. Like Mary said, the world has changed and there is no need/place for most of the "jobs" anymore. I do wish that breeders would stop diulting them like crazy, though. English Mastiff's are a good example. These proud guardians are now being over bred and so many are scared to death of their own shadows and have such anxiety issues and others are just overweight, lazy couch potatoes that wouldn't defend their homes/people for nothing. I understand they no longer need to be bred to go to war, however, losing their guardian instincts all together is very sad. I had no idea how many EM's there are out there that are horribly overweight and truly have no drive....It is such a waste of an amazing, proud, dignified breed.
 

WyomingWild

Well-Known Member
We plan to teach and use our Fila for tracking and finding Antlers (Just for fun and a "job" for him) :) Along with home protection. But they were used for tracking down predators or runaway slaves. Our fila has a super keen nose on him, so we will see if it works :)
 

gamestaff

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i think it is a true loss of the breed to not have dogs bred for their original use. it is true that the use may not be needed like it was but these breeds have been handed down to preserve, not change. it is the responsibilty of breeders to maintain the breed in it's original (or as close to as possible) form. the mastiff group as a whole, were bred to be capable guardians. it is a true loss to have specimens (let alone the majority) of a breed that do not represent original function in form and temperament.
 

Cobalt

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For some reason, size and size alone seems to be a major driving point with many breeders today and be damned to actual ability to conduct physical tasks that actually require athletic ability and endurance. Too many 160+lb couch potato mastiffs, of whatever breed, because of a "look" or a bragging right along the lines of "oh my dog is XXX lbs" as if a larger number re weight is a good thing! How many posts on this forum alone, including pics of what look like otherwise healthy pups, of owners concerned that the pup is, to paraphrase, "not big enough" in comparison to other pups. FWIW we've (my wife taking the lead) have started our Presa (a remanufactured breed brought back from the dead) down the Schutzhund/IPO training road. However far she makes it, is up to the dog - but we're going to giver her the opportunity and at least she will be kept active and actively trained; and if she ends up a 100lb physically capable, healthy, stable dog, we'll all be perfectly happy in the end :)
 

BeauxJaxson

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HAPPY BIRTHDAY BEAUX JAXSON :) ( 3 y.o today)

I am gonna make a bold statement. Beaux could defenitely do what he was originally bred for, or the breed was bred to do. That being said he does not meet AKC breed standards ( go figure). He is atheltically driven and has limitless enrgy, he is very weary of strangers, loves to pull carts, , and I'm sure would hunt if properly trained. Bordeauxs were bred as guardians of vineyards, helpers on the estates and cart pulling dogs who guarded at night, and overall utilitarian dogs . He is capable of all these things. I have looked around the web and there is no one breeding DDB's to do any of these things or else I would inquire if they wanted to evaluate him for breeding or any other program , but the need is not there. There are photos of a younger Beaux in my profile, you can see he is undersized by breed standards but dont tell him that.
 

Max's mom

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Max does exactly what I got him for...he loves his mama! He cuddles. Slobbers. Plays a bit. He'll be a good therapy dog one day! He won't let anything happen to me though. I am convinced of it.
 

cj-sharpy

Well-Known Member
I agree that the idea of breeding purely for size is not a great idea. Even if you watch that old film from the 20s I think of EMs in the snow (think we all seen it) you can see a huge difference between those and modern dogs.
Purity and size is not a concern for me as Max is a mostly EM mongrel. Job wise he really is thick as mince so I doubt he'd be employable. Mind you he has one hell of a guarding instinct when it comes to me or the house.

That said I was accused (on a different site) of being obsessed with size as I was asking a lot of questions about feeding, weight and musculature. But thats mainly cos (according to vet) max was 2st under weight when I got him and now he's gained weight id rather have a healthy friend than a heavy fatty that I can brag about his weight.


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karennj

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This reminded me of a article I just saw the other day - 100 Years of Breed | Science and Dogs

For the sake of honest disclosure, I will admit to owning “purebreds†(the ‘pureness* of purebreeds is a discussion for another time) but I also have mutts. All the dogs I*ve had since childhood had a few things in common, they were friendly, prey driven, ball-crazy, intense, motivated, athletic (crazy dogs are easier to train) and none had intentionally bred defects. I would never buy/adopt a dog whose breed characteristics exacted a health burden.(Asher 2009). That just incentivizes people to breed more of these intentionally unhealthy animals. The dogs on the left are from the 1915 book, ‘Breeds of All Nations‘ by W.E. Mason. The examples on the right are modern examples from multiple sources. To be able to make an honest comparison, I*ve chosen pictures with similar poses and in a couple of cases flipped the picture to get them both aligned in the same direction. I had to skip some breeds I wanted to include because of the lack of detail in the older photographs.
It seems incredible that at one time the Bull Terrier was a handsome, athletic dog. Somewhere along its journey to a mutated skull and thick abdomen the bull terrier also picked up a number of other maladies like supernumerary teeth and compulsive tail-chasing.

The Basset Hound has gotten lower, has suffered changes to its rear leg structure, has excessive skin, vertebra problems, droopy eyes prone to entropion and ectropion and excessively large ears.

A shorter face means a host of problems. The modern Boxer not only has a shorter face but the muzzle is slightly upturned. The boxer * like all bracecyphalic dogs * has difficulty controlling its temperature in hot weather, the inability to shed heat places limits on physical performance. It also has one of the highest cancer rates.

The English bulldog has come to symbolize all that is wrong with the dog fancy and not without good reason; they suffer from almost every possible disease. A 2004 survey by the Kennel Club found that they die at the median age of 6.25 years (n=180). There really is no such thing as a healthy bulldog. The bulldog*s monstrous proportions make them virtually incapable of mating or birthing without medical intervention.

The Dachshund used to have functional legs and necks that made sense for their size. Backs and necks have gotten longer, chest jutted forward and legs have shrunk to such proportions that there is barely any clearance between the chest and floor. The dachschund has the highest risk of any breed for intervertebral disc disease which can result in paralysis; they are also prone to achondroplastic related pathologies, PRA and problems with their legs.

The German Shepherd Dog is also a breed that is routinely mentioned when people talk about ruined breeds; maybe because they used to be awesome. In Dogs of All Nations, the GSD is described as a medium-sized dog (25 kg /55 lb), this is a far cry from the angulated, barrel-chested, sloping back,

The Pug is another extreme brachycephalic breed and it has all the problems associated with that trait * high blood pressure, heart problems, low oxygenation, difficulty breathing, tendency to overheat, dentition problems, and skin fold dermatitis. The highly desirable double-curl tail is actually a genetic defect, in more serious forms it leads to paralysis.

Once a noble working dog, the modern St. Bernard has been oversized, had it*s faced squished in, and bred for abundant skin. You will not see this type of dog working, they can*t handle it as they quickly overheat. The diseases include entropion, ectropion, Stockard*s paralysis, hemophilia, osteosarcoma, aphakia, fibrinogen deficiency.
 

JoshCan1

New Member
And what I meant by legal is where I live it is illegal to have a spring pole or a treadmill cause they automatically think that your dogs are being trained to fight my dog loves her spring it is one of the only exercises where I can see she is truly doing something she enjoys other than sleep and running through the woods of course. Do you know any registries that sanction hog hunts or competitions?
 

cinnamon roll

Super Moderator
Super Moderator
Agreed!!!

All breeds are watered down versions of what they originally were designed for.

Reality is 90% of the dogs that are currently around are not and oftentimes could not be used for the jobs they were originally bred for. Some don't even appear to look like what they original dogs do. There are exceptions to the rule but I would say the bulk can not. Times have evolved and so have dogs, there are new jobs that they can perform to still have a use but it is unlikely to be their original job. For the most part original jobs were about survival of the owners, now it is less of an issue in most places.
 

JoshCan1

New Member
For schutshund dogs in Germany can only be bred if they pass there tests. I just think not enough people are putting these dogs through their paces in order to keep the breeds sound. It is just sad that people make the claim but their dogs would just fall apart if it came down to a real situation.
 

Cobalt

Well-Known Member
Same as most people LOL. I've been in the Coast Guard for 33 years now and not only have to keep myself in some semblance of shape, but enjoy doing doing so; but I also know a LOT of people who wouldn't be able to climb a couple flights of stairs without getting out of breath and take their cars to go to the corner store a couple blocks away. But I digress.... ;)
 

ruby55

Well-Known Member
The only bm breeder I know of who comes close to using their dogs as they were intended is Nyx Bullmastiffs. Their dogs are a part of the family, but also roam their acreage, protecting the property. I think he said they have a problem with coyotes, and they also raise prize cattle. Their dogs also are champions in the show ring. Very nice man. Nyx Bullmastiffs