Got me wondering...

[Kate Williams]

Is it okay to use a stud dog that has had cherry eye. I know Hank's daddy had his repaired on his left side which was the only one he had. I know it's common among certain breeds but do most breeders exclude dogs that have been treated for cherry eye from their breeding program? Our breeder was really nonchalant about it so we just assumed that it was not a big deal. I guess my question is, would you use a stud or bitch that has had the issue, or stay away from breeding them because of it?

 

[ruthcatrin]

I don't believe a dog who's had cherry eye surgery can compete in AKC Conformation, though I could be wrong, but the AKC bans dogs who've had surgery to correct "defects".

It would come down to a bunch of factors I think. For example:

Did the sire have a title before the cherry eye became bad enough to require surgery?
Was the sire an otherwise ideal dog to use in the breeding line (and can the breeder explain why so) and the bitch have NO history of problems with cherry eye?

And probly other questions I'll think of after I've had my coffee....

 

[Kate Williams]

Okay, It's one of those things that after educating yourself on your breed you wish you had paid attention to. I didn't think anything of it till this morning. Thankfully Hank's still good to go. It will definitly make me think a little harder about his neuter at 24 months. We are having everything else checked but with that issue in his genetics I am leaning toward the neuter.

 

[ruthcatrin]

Cherry eye is common enough that I don't know that it could be avoided completely TBH, and I don't know enough about the genetics of it to really make a determination. I'd probly be a bit of a breeder using said dog, but it wouldn't nessecarly rule out that litter completely, I'd just have a bunch of questions for the breeder!

 

[Geisthexe]

AKC does not look into the history or medical records of your dogs. So yes you can show a dog with surgery from Cherry Eye.
I have a few friends who show there Neo's & CCs and have had surgery on there dogs.

In my opinion you should not breed a dog with Cherry Eye in the lines b/c it is hereditary. And all you are doing is passing on a trait the breed has. No different if you breed a dog with hip displaysia.

 

[ruthcatrin]

I had to go digging, but the AKC specifically states that surgery to correct cherry eye is allowed and the dog may still compete. They classify it as "for the health of the dog": http://www.akc.org/events/conformation/faqs.cfm (scroll about 3/4 of the way down).

 

[Geisthexe]

Ruth I completely agree and now they state it BUT people still show. Once again THEY DO NOT check medical records so folks still show there dog that has had surgery

 

[ruthcatrin]

I wasn't arguing Geisthexe......

 

[Geisthexe]

I wasn't arguing Geisthexe......

Oh I know .. I hate the fact that AKC doesn't stand by what they say and the folks who show in it don't by, by the laws in it. I love my friends to death but one will never breed her boy she just loves showing and the other well I don't agree with much that he does.
Sorry I made you feel like you were not my intention

 

[Kate Williams]

Okay so they can't show and shouldn't be bred. Does anyone know what the chances or percentages are if your dogs sire had cherry eye? Hank is perfect thankfully but is there a high chance that he will develop the condition at some point?

 

[ruthcatrin]

They can show, the link I posted last says the AKC doesn't disqualify for cherry eye surgery.

 

[Kate Williams]

I'm hoping we don't have the issue in the future it was one of those things that I should have researched before Hankenstien showed up. My husband wants to show him but as his trainer I keep telling him the boy may never take to the ring. He's a good boy but very stubborn and dominant when he has a bad day...Everybody has a bad day. I personally think weight pulling would be best for him but if hubby wants to wear a suit and run around in circles more power to him. I was looking for protection and man did I find it. Thanks for your help Ruth.

 

[ruthcatrin]

Welcome! Can't help with the rest of the question though, sorry.

And no rreason why you can't do both weight pull and conformation if you both want!

 

[Geisthexe]

Yes Cherry eye can show up later in life & it is hereditary.
You have CC & Neo breeders lie about it all the time bc they pay to have it fixed or removed so future clients don't know or they will tell you it is not gonna be passed on generation to generation.

Best of luck with Hank

 

[Cody]

At this point of the breed, dogs with Cherry Eye are not being taken out of programs, although it is hereditary.
To be honest in my opinion there are WAY more important issues to be worked out in the Corso before we start removing dogs with Cherry eye.
We have bigger issues with type, temperament, health and stability, cherry eye is relatively minor in the grande scheme of things. At this point of the game, some may not agree and that is okay, but seeing a consistent type in the breed as opposed to 3 or 4 different ones should be a priority.
Hopefully as the breed progresses then issues such as these can be slowly bred out.
The AKC allows dogs to be shown after surgery.
Many CC breeders will be upfront about it. Knowing a pups parent had Cherry eye would not deter me from getting a pup if it was what I was looking for and from lines that I wanted, but I am pretty picky about what I want and am looking for. That said I have been fortunate in the fact that I have never had to deal with it, nor have any of the dogs in my dogs direct lines... that I am aware of

 

[Russ Williams]

...there are WAY more important issues to be worked out in the Corso before we start removing dogs with Cherry eye.
We have bigger issues with type, temperament, health and stability,... seeing a consistent type in the breed as opposed to 3 or 4 different ones should be a priority.

Agreed.

The pic below has Basir in the top left, the "prototype" Cane Corso. All of the other dogs are either "Champions" or promoted as prime examples of excellent breeding by their breeders. Please understand that I am not casting any slurs here. I am sure all of these are fine, fine animals. However, can you imagine such variance in any other breed?