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need help with some advice dog biting and growling in temper

naomi

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Hi we have a 11week old dogue de bordeaux who is generally very well behaved and calm but a few times has growled and bit my hand when I've tried to take him out of room for time out when he's nipped playing and won't calm down but today when ever I tried to correct him he's been very aggressive e.g.I was putting on his harness for walkies and he started biting it and pulling it I said no and tried to put lead on he showed me his teeth and growled and barked at me I said no bad boy as he was still biting harness I tried again and again the same but even worse he bites me I crap his collar as to take him to time out and again he bites me and shows teeth and growls basically took me 15 mins to get him in time out and he did basically the same thing out on his walk this evening I don't know what else I can do in training I need advice please it's not just at these times it when I try to correct him dominate issues
 

musicdeb

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Hope this helps:

First, you want to crate train him. Make sure you have a blanket, stuffed animal (about his size) and white noise (ticking clock or ipod with soft music) so he can sleep. He's used to cuddling with siblings.

Second: you want to keep him in a room with a family member. Mastiffs need to be near their family members.

Third: you want to start his food regimen. Are you feeding him what the breeder fed him? If yes, ok. If not, you need to do a slow transition to the new food. Mastiffs are allergic to chicken and grain in kibble. Slow transition is to feed 1/4 of new food with 3/4's of old food for 3-4 days. Transition to 1/2 new and 1/2 old foods for 3-4 days. Transition to 3/4 new and 1/4 old for 3-4 days. Transition to 100% new food. If at anytime he has diarrhea, return to former transition amounts until diarrhea stops.

Fourth: You want to keep the leash on him for a few hours each day while in the house so he gets used to it.

Fifth: Keep him away from dog areas because he hasn't had his 2nd set of shots leaving him prone to getting parvo or other illness. Keep him in your yard and place newspapers down where he will walk on the ground. This is very important!

Sixth: Start basic commands. Train for about 5 minutes per day and slowing increase time. Teach one command at a time. Once they master one command, move onto another command.


Mastiffs can be extremely stubborn and if you get frustrated with them, they will shut down. Some mastiffs do not do well with yelling.

Number one command is sit. Teach him to sit, by placing a treat in front of his head and move it to the back causing him to sit to get the treat. When he sits, tell him good sit and give him the treat.

Second command should be "focus/look" This will help you tremendously when he's over 100 lbs. Put him into sit. With a treat in your hand (let him smell it), put the treat up to your eyes and tell him to look or focus. He may only do this for about 1-2 seconds. As soon as he looks at your eyes, tell him good look or good focus and give the treat. Some mastiffs (DDBs generally) do not like to look anyone in the eyes for long because that means a challenge to them. Titan is up to 25 seconds of looking at me.

Other commands to teach is stay, come, leave it and drop it.

When you are training and if he does not do as you ask, then tell him no no no and redirect back to command in a normal voice. The only time a stern and somewhat loud NO should be used is when they are doing something that can cause harm to themselves or others.

For example, when I'm doing the look at me training with Titan. He will look at me and then his eyes will move to the left or right. I say, "no no no, look at me" and returns to the look at me.

When they do what you want them to do, get all giddy and excited and say "Yes, good look!" I clap, giggle, and sometimes do a little dance. My dog looks at me like, really woman?

Puppies should not do any heavy exercise or walking for the first year. Stairs should be maneuvered while on leash (even in the house) especially going down the stairs. Most mastiffs (DDBs especially) can be very lazy but they still need to exercise. Puppies should not be walked for more than 15-20 minutes and do your best to avoid heavy running or jumping.

Mastiffs should not be neutered/spayed until 18 months to 2 years. NO MATTER what the vet says. Early neutering can cause growth problems.

Enjoy your baby! Have lots of patience! The pup will reward you with love and loyalty!
 

NeSaxena

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I love reading your posts, deb!

I'd listen to her, naomiandkevin :) And best of luck with your puppy!
 

naomi

Active Member
Thanks so much I've reached him sit and leave it ,he's such a quick learner I've just been doing look and focus he's doin it bless him I really would've some tips on how to teach him to lay down and come he's been a bit energetic so I take him for a 1 to 2 hour walk and he loves it he even wants to stay out sometimes and when he comes in he has lots of energy still runs around house the breeders told us he's very energetic lol he is very clever but it's the last few days has been very hyper and seems angry ? Will keep at the training and we will be patient it will take time and a lot of effort x
 

musicdeb

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May I ask if this is your first puppy? Why do you think he is angry? Puppies are hyper some more than others.

IMO, talking 1-2 hours walks at one time could be detrimental to the pup's bone growth.

Have you tried mental stimulation too? Give him treats frozen in ice cubes or kongs, he has to figure out how to get them. Play hide and seek with him and hide treats.

To teach him to come, put him sit in one area and you walk away telling him to stay. As you walk by him, let him smell the treat but make him stay. You go to another area, tell him to come and show him the treat. Once he comes to you, tell him "good come" and give him the treat and repeat.

You have to make the training fun. DDB's bore easily. Training an 11 week old should last about 5-10mins per day. Teach only one command at a time until they master it, meaning they do the command at least 80% of the time.

All mastiffs have what we call the "zoomies" which are bursts of energy. Titan's lasts for about 2-3 minutes of continuous running.
 

KimT

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2- 3 minutes you say hmm,Im going have to have a conversation with the girls,theirs seem to last a lot longer,and the noises they make lol wow,they go running through the house grab a toy and try running and shaking the toy at the same time, lol idiots,they have run into the walls so many time when doing this(now I know how Bordeauxs get their short noses :D )
 

naomi

Active Member
May I ask if this is your first puppy? Why do you think he is angry? Puppies are hyper some more than others.

IMO, talking 1-2 hours walks at one time could be detrimental to the pup's bone growth.

Have you tried mental stimulation too? Give him treats frozen in ice cubes or kongs, he has to figure out how to get them. Play hide and seek with him and hide treats.

To teach him to come, put him sit in one area and you walk away telling him to stay. As you walk by him, let him smell the treat but make him stay. You go to another area, tell him to come and show him the treat. Once he comes to you, tell him "good come" and give him the treat and repeat.

You have to make the training fun. DDB's bore easily. Training an 11 week old should last about 5-10mins per day. Teach only one command at a time until they master it, meaning they do the command at least 80% of the time.

All mastiffs have what we call the "zoomies" which are bursts of energy. Titan's lasts for about 2-3 minutes of continuous running.

We had a staff pup but very sadly was stolen from us :( ,I say he seems angry when he oes the biting and growling showing me his teeth when ever I correct him I teach him to site was doin it fine but then just decided nope not gonna listen today so I pushed his bum down saying sit and he just turned funny,the same walking yesterday he even manage to get harness off when he was chewing lead I told him leave it but he went mad with Zeus I've realised even tho it seems he's learned a command I have to go over it every now and then other wise he just won't listen typical Ddb lol and I love your hide and seek idea will be doin that when he has another zoomies which will when wake up lol and I was just discussing the long walks with Kevin we aren't sure what kind of damage could do so thank you think I will talk to vet regards to him not wanting short walks because like I said he comes in and runs straight for garden to run out there we don't mind it's just whever it's bad for him thank you so much for help we do need advice as you can hear lol I will be doin the look training then move to stay
 

naomi

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2- 3 minutes you say hmm,Im going have to have a conversation with the girls,theirs seem to last a lot longer,and the noises they make lol wow,they go running through the house grab a toy and try running and shaking the toy at the same time, lol idiots,they have run into the walls so many time when doing this(now I know how Bordeauxs get their short noses :D )

Lol Zeus has done this I have sliding doors that lead to my garden and I leave them open for him and if I open back door to he runs in a big circle round through the house through to garden round and round until he runs into the wall or the other day my little girls play kitchen lol
 

musicdeb

Well-Known Member
2- 3 minutes you say hmm,Im going have to have a conversation with the girls,theirs seem to last a lot longer,and the noises they make lol wow,they go running through the house grab a toy and try running and shaking the toy at the same time, lol idiots,they have run into the walls so many time when doing this(now I know how Bordeauxs get their short noses :D )
How old are your girls? Titan is 3 1/2 yrs old, he's slowed down a bit.
 

LizB

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This sounds like a dominance issue with a very alpha pup, since it is coming out so early.

What I like to do with pups is to "wear" them around the house by attaching the leash to my belt and going about my daily business. When I get up to go do something, the dog must go with me. This teaches the dog to take cues from YOU and to pay attention to what you are doing or getting ready to do. It really helps establish that you are the boss and they are less likely to challenge you, which is what your pup is doing by growling and barking at you. He doesn't agree with what you are doing and you have to let him know that YOU decide what he does. Lots of attention work (musicdeb's advice is VERY GOOD!!) and this problem will be solved, but definitely make it priority - you cannot have this behavior when he is bigger, which will be very soon. Take the Nothing in Life is Free approach, so that he must sit or something before being fed or getting a treat, or even going out the door.

Good luck!
 

musicdeb

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We had a staff pup but very sadly was stolen from us :( ,I say he seems angry when he oes the biting and growling showing me his teeth when ever I correct him I teach him to site was doin it fine but then just decided nope not gonna listen today so I pushed his bum down saying sit and he just turned funny,the same walking yesterday he even manage to get harness off when he was chewing lead I told him leave it but he went mad with Zeus I've realised even tho it seems he's learned a command I have to go over it every now and then other wise he just won't listen typical Ddb lol and I love your hide and seek idea will be doin that when he has another zoomies which will when wake up lol and I was just discussing the long walks with Kevin we aren't sure what kind of damage could do so thank you think I will talk to vet regards to him not wanting short walks because like I said he comes in and runs straight for garden to run out there we don't mind it's just whever it's bad for him thank you so much for help we do need advice as you can hear lol I will be doin the look training then move to stay
Biting and growling with a young pup is play. When you try to correct, what do you do? He may be mistaking the correction to play.

He's a 11 weeks ago, he's need more time to learn what is the correct behavior. Relax. As you as stay consistent in training without negative reinforcement but positive reinforcements, he will get it. Again, relax...he's 11 weeks old.

Even with the running at this young age, you need to limit it so not to cause any type of hip or leg injuries.

Basically, mastiffs should limit running, walking, climbing stairs, jumping until at least 1 yr old and more often until about 2 yrs old.
 

musicdeb

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This sounds like a dominance issue with a very alpha pup, since it is coming out so early.

What I like to do with pups is to "wear" them around the house by attaching the leash to my belt and going about my daily business. When I get up to go do something, the dog must go with me. This teaches the dog to take cues from YOU and to pay attention to what you are doing or getting ready to do. It really helps establish that you are the boss and they are less likely to challenge you, which is what your pup is doing by growling and barking at you. He doesn't agree with what you are doing and you have to let him know that YOU decide what he does. Lots of attention work (musicdeb's advice is VERY GOOD!!) and this problem will be solved, but definitely make it priority - you cannot have this behavior when he is bigger, which will be very soon. Take the Nothing in Life is Free approach, so that he must sit or something before being fed or getting a treat, or even going out the door.

Good luck!
DDB's are alpha dogs... hehehehehehe
 

musicdeb

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Indy is 17 months and Rosie is 10 months
That's why their zoomies last longer than Titan's. As they approach 2 yrs old, they will generally reduce time limit of zoomies. Titan used to it for about 5 minutes when I first got him a year ago, how he's down to 2-3 minutes.
 

Kujo

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Biting and growling with a young pup is play.

Not trying to start a debate or argument here... but her description was the pup was showing his teeth and then growling and biting, to me when a dog/puppy shows or bares their teeth they are being aggressive...

Please dont get me wrong deb, I agree with everything you said about training and making the pup work for food/treats/play/love, and especially agree with limiting the pups exercise before the pup hurts himself. Am I way off on the showing/baring of teeth...I've always thought that was a clear indication of aggression... wether the aggression is based on fear or not, it's still aggression...?
 

musicdeb

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There is a difference of showing one's teeth as aggression and showing one's teeth as in play. The pup is 11 weeks old which to me means he's showing his teeth, growling and biting as in play.

It is true that showing teeth, growling and biting are signs of aggression. However, again I believe at 11 weeks old it would be difficult to see aggression. Again, if the same behavior exists at 6 months or later after consistent training, then one could say this could be a sign of aggression.

I believe aggression and puppy (8weeks to about 4 months) should not be used in the same sentence. Puppies need to be shown what they are suppose to do with proper and consistent training. If you are one of the lucky ones who pup doesn't do the the above behavior, then you're one of the lucky ones. Most puppies can exhibit the said behavior while playing.

There is the rare occasion where a pup will be a bad seed and will be bad to the bone, pun intended. In that case, it is bad breeding and the pup usually requires extensive training and/or usually has to be put down.

With that being said, this is my opinion based on experience with puppies and working in shelters.
 

KimT

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I thank my lucky stars that my puppies really never behaved like that(knock wood) out of reflex and not thinking I probably would have popped him/her one. :) . My older female is dominant with my younger one but not aggressive. girls 006.jpggirls 026.jpgapril 27 004.jpg
 

DennasMom

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Deb's got great advice (again).

The big one I would take away is that the puppy is still a baby... think of how you would "correct" a toddler - unless he's throwing a major fit (and puppies can throw some good ones), you just have to say "no" calmly, and hold your ground. Wait him out, keep gently reminding him what is and is not allowed, and be sure to praise-praise-praise any and all good behaviors.

Depending on the circumstance, I agree the showing of teeth and biting could be play, or it could be a limit test... be sure you set the limits and keep them consistently.

Our best training tool was patience. Mastiffs, as I'm finding, are very sensitive and strong willed. Too harsh of a correction gets a bad reaction or a total shut-down. A gentle correction, along some encouragement to the appropriate response, and a lot of time & patience will get you want you want quicker in the long run. :)

Good luck!
 

musicdeb

Well-Known Member
The big one I would take away is that the puppy is still a baby... think of how you would "correct" a toddler - unless he's throwing a major fit (and puppies can throw some good ones), you just have to say "no" calmly, and hold your ground. Wait him out, keep gently reminding him what is and is not allowed, and be sure to praise-praise-praise any and all good behaviors.

Depending on the circumstance, I agree the showing of teeth and biting could be play, or it could be a limit test... be sure you set the limits and keep them consistently.

Our best training tool was patience. Mastiffs, as I'm finding, are very sensitive and strong willed. Too harsh of a correction gets a bad reaction or a total shut-down. A gentle correction, along some encouragement to the appropriate response, and a lot of time & patience will get you want you want quicker in the long run. :)

Good luck!
Well said, Tina!