Outside dog?

[Ben McBrizzle]

Calm down...calm down. I guess I woke up the angry dog crowd. I'm off this thread...

 

[dogman#1]

dude, you must've expected it with that "organic property" post...that said, if you think your dog is bad now then leave your untrained dog outside and bring him in at night you will wake up to the biggest mess you have ever seen..Start with a gold fish and gradually move up to hamster...goodluck and god bless.

 

[TxHorseMom]

Wow, so when you hear things you don't like, you walk away. That tells me a lot. Poor Dog.

 

[moose]

So you are building a dog run along the side of the house for him to live in?
What, may I ask, is the reason you got a dog, let alone a mastiff to begin with? Besides being cool? I am sorry but I found your comment;
"I like him, don't see him maybe like the typical dog-lover, but more as an owner of a cool organic piece of property."
quite disturbing.
You "like" him?
That is a sad life. These dogs are NOT status symbols. They are a WORKING breed, who require HUGE amounts of training, socialization, dedication and patience. They are a type of dog who live to please their masters and want nothing more then to be with their family. To lock one in a dog run as they bother your family, or you can't be bothered to do the work involved with having the breed, is paramount to you being locked under the stairs as your parents couldn't be bothered.
They may look "cool", but this piece of organic property COULD kill someone unless properly raised, loved and socialized.
If you don't have the time or desire to properly raise a breed such as this then consider finding a home that will.
BTW have you ever had a large or working breed before?

good post !

 

[Ben McBrizzle]

@TxHorseMom Please! Just don't have time for your drama. You were so busy on your doggy high horse you didn't even understand what I was asking initially. If you care so much, how bout you send me the $1200 for the dog and I send him your way....yeah, thought so. Save your false advocacy for someone who's less intelligent.

 

[northernmastiff]

I am sure Ben that there are plenty of people who would give you the money for your dog. I would be happy to if I lived closer to Cali and could come and pick him up in person. I think, in many ways, you are proving that you are lacking when it comes to dog knowledge and people just want to make sure that your dog has the best life possible. If you were looking for people to say that yes, putting him outside his entire life is a good thing, then you shouldn't ask people who know and understand the breed.

There are breeds that thrive outside on their own, and there are a few Mastiff breeds that do as well, but they all need plenty of exercise, training and socialization. If you are putting him outside, expect a big chunk of your time to be outside with him. If you bought him from a reputable breeder, you should contact him/her to find out how he feels about it. Even if you are going full steam ahead with putting him outside, then make sure you have a kennel set up. A dog run is no place to live and the dog needs to be able to go inside a shelter whenever he would like.

If you don't want to listen to people on this site, go and meet a few dogs that have been left outside or spent their life on a chain. If that doesn't change your mind, then go to a reputable kennel and learn how to raise a dog in a kennel the right way. I still think that if you are bent on having an outside dog that you should choose a breed that thrives in outdoor areas or in kennel life. Many gundog breeds do excellent in kennels, and as I said, Siberian Huskies and several LGD breeds do well in this capacity.

If you decide you are much too intelligent to listen to intelligent advice, then get ready for a lifetime of problems with your dog, behaviorally and health wise.

 

[Cody]

@TxHorseMom Please! Just don't have time for your drama. You were so busy on your doggy high horse you didn't even understand what I was asking initially. If you care so much, how bout you send me the $1200 for the dog and I send him your way....yeah, thought so. Save your false advocacy for someone who's less intelligent.

Dude, if it is about money, then fine. I will buy the dog to get it away from a situation that he is most likely going to be miserable in, and being locked in a run will do just that.
You are going to create a dangerous dog if you are not careful.
This is not about drama, this is about what is the best interest of the dog. What breeder did you get him from? I know the majority of contracts have stipulations about dogs being locked out side or tied to trees.

 

[TxHorseMom]

I'm not even going to raise to the bait of the drama comment. If I hadn't JUST put out $1000 for my own puppy, I'd send you the money. But as others on here offered, and I don't see any other posts about him going to a new home, I know that that comment was just to cause friction too.

Explain to me what part I didn't understand. If you truly read my posts you would have seen that I wrote "I could be wrong, educate me". but I don't see that either. With the exception of LGD, and cattle dogs and such, dogs NEED to be with their "pack" and you and your family are this dogs pack. He is a territoral dog, and may someday decide that you are not of his pack, and his territory is the back yard, and you or God forbid, your children, are going to get seriously hurt. Since you won't give him up, please, PLEASE get this dog some exercise and training. A little bit of love wouldn't hurt either.

 

[mia]

You are going to create a dangerous dog if you are not careful.
This is not about drama, this is about what is the best interest of the dog.

Amen. Having done rescue for many years and taken in dogs that were left out and or chained, please listen to Cody.

 

[Dogue]

Miel is crying right now because she's finished doing her perimeter checks outside and it's time to come inside and be with her family and watch a movie next to mom and dad. Do the right thing and give your EM to a mastiff organization (Gentle Giants).

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Wow ... going after txhorsemom like that is indicative of someone that parades themselves as being esoteric but is actually just a vapid ninny. You need to go back to your coffe shop and discuss all of your cool organic property. Discuss your goldfish and then eventually your new hamstser!

 

[Dogue]

Wow ... going after txhorsemom like that is indicative of someone that parades themselves as being esoteric but is actually just a vapid ninny. You need to go back to your coffee shop and discuss all of your cool organic property. Discuss your goldfish and then eventually your new hamstser!

 

[Ripsmom]

Any dog???

We keep our working LGD outside 24/7/365...

I was referring to the average pet owner keeping a dog outside without proper socialization and exercise not a true working dog. The average pet owner doesn't employ their dogs to do what they were bred for.

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well, if you are still on this thread...I have to agree with the many posts above in regards to letting the dog guard the yard...that's not exactly the definition of a working dog...putting a dog outside without proper socialization, interactions, and exercise is going to create a problem...it's a lot of dog...so it'll be a big problem. It sounds like perhaps you didn't research puppyhood enough before jumping in; regardless of breed puppies are babies and are a pain in the butt until they grow up (provided the owner has provided adequate training, socialization etc) . You may have done better with a more laid back adult dog; nevertheless you have him now so you really need to decide whether you are going to see it through or not...making him an outdoor dog is not fair to him. If you do decide to keep him then you may want to explain to the kids that getting a dog is a commitment and that it requires work and just because they may do things that aggravate you at times that doesn't mean you get rid of them or banish them to an area where they feel isolated (just like we don't get rid of our kids when they annoy us); if however the whole family isn't on board (if it's just you...it may not work) then you may want to consider rehoming him, surrendering him to rescue or returning him to the breeder, if the breeder is reputable. If you keep him you really should start doing some training or activities with him.

 

[Ripsmom]

well, if you are still on this thread...I have to agree with the many posts above in regards to letting the dog guard the yard...that's not exactly the definition of a working dog...putting a dog outside without proper socialization, interactions, and exercise is going to create a problem...it's a lot of dog...so it'll be a big problem. It sounds like perhaps you didn't research puppyhood enough before jumping in; regardless of breed puppies are babies and are a pain in the butt until they grow up (provided the owner has provided adequate training, socialization etc) . You may have done better with a more laid back adult dog; nevertheless you have him now so you really need to decide whether you are going to see it through or not...making him an outdoor dog is not fair to him. If you do decide to keep him then you may want to explain to the kids that getting a dog is a commitment and that it requires work and just because they may do things that aggravate you at times that doesn't mean you get rid of them or banish them to an area where they feel isolated (just like we don't get rid of our kids when they annoy us); if however the whole family isn't on board (if it's just you...it may not work) then you may want to consider rehoming him, surrendering him to rescue or returning him to the breeder, if the breeder is reputable. If you keep him you really should start doing some training or activities with him.

 

[Molosserlvr]

Miel is crying right now because she's finished doing her perimeter checks outside and it's time to come inside and be with her family and watch a movie next to mom and dad. Do the right thing and give your EM to a mastiff organization (Gentle Giants).

Slightly off topic, but I thought I would mention that GentleGiants is more of a mill than a rescue... Not an organization I would EVER give a dog to. http://www.gentlegiantnews.com/index.php

Anyways, I agree that the op should find his "organic property" a new family...

 

[Dogue]

Didn't know that, thanks! Mastiff foster homes are always better.

 

[BigMac]

Wow...this is almost as bad as the thread on my Horse forum about the man who bought a horse and tied it to a tree!!!

 

[lilliesmomma]

Lillie loves to be outside when the other dogs are out but she is also the first one to the door to come back inside. She has to be in the same room with me, laying at my feet or on the couch with me. I think she'd go crazy if she couldn't be in with her family.

 

[Lacey_Waddle]

My puppy is an outside puppy but I have the time to go and play with him every day. My husband is over seas and my EM puppy is what gets me through the day. So if you only have him because it's cool that's not why you get a dog. You get one to have a companion and friend. My puppy stole my heart from the moment I saw him. The only way you should have your puppy outside is if you can give him the attention you have been. It's just like a child if you neglect a child it won't act the way you wish. Bear is 8 months old and he is just like a kid he doesn't want to listen somedays and he is forgetful. Saying that you would think that since you have children you would understand. You didn't potty train your kids in a day, I know I sure didn't. So maybe you should reconcider having him or make your family understand what you're thinking and have a discussion on keeping him

 

[Mongo]

Slightly off topic, but I thought I would mention that GentleGiants is more of a mill than a rescue... Not an organization I would EVER give a dog to. http://www.gentlegiantnews.com/index.php

I have to agree with the Gentle Giants being a huge puppy mill vs an actual rescue!

Other than that I really have nothing to say... this thread is really sad, but its reality. So many people go out and buy puppies bc they just want one, but never do their homework or take the time to properly care for it. So sad...

I truly hope you take our advice and rehome the puppy. It will save you a lot of greif for when the puppy tears your yard apart or hurts one of your kids from jumping on them bc he is soooo excited someone is actually coming outside. We are not trying to bash you, we just want to make sure the dog gets what he deserves. And thats a loving home that you obviously are not providing.