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Question on Neutering...

cyberous

Member
Question on Neutering…

My DDB is a little over a year old . I had originally planned to have him neutered at 18 months but he is becoming too aggressive (constantly showing dominance) to my older Labs who are altered and gets aggressive when people are in sight when walking on a lead. I did take him to obedience and he does an excellent job on the lead as long as there are no other people around, but when we do see someone he’s very intimidating. He growls and barks and the hair on his back stands up, thankfully he does not pull. This is rather embarrassing and not the behavior I want displayed when walking by friends and neighbors.

So I’ve decided to do the deed. In my quick research I found that altered dogs are often taller than non altered dogs.
I was always under the impression that neutering your dog early will stunt their growth. My question is what the definition of “growth?†Does this mean that an altered dog will be taller and leaner vs. unaltered dog will be shorter and heavier?

If I wanted a taller dogue should I neuter sooner?

Thoughts?

Link to one site http://www.pet-informed-veterinary-advice-online.com/male-dog-neutering.html
“4. Loss of testosterone as a result of desexing may result in delayed growth plate closure:
Animals that have been desexed early in life (before the age of 12 months) tend to exhibit delayed closure of their growth plates. Growth plates are the cartilage bands located in the ends of the animal's long bones, which are responsible for making the bones grow and elongate during juvenile bone development and formation. As a result of delayed growth plate closure, desexed animals will often be taller and longer in limb than entire male animals. Whether this increase in bone length should be considered a problem or benefit really depends on the individual owner, but some people choose not to desex animals early because of it (i.e. there is a concern that these animals may be more prone to orthopedic injuries).â€
 

Jadotha

Well-Known Member
Re: Question on Neutering…

If you look through the archives, you well find quite a lot of materials on the effects of Spaying and Neutering -- including this one: http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongTermHealthEffectsOfSpayNeuterInDogs.pdf


Neutering before full maturity will cause 'spindly' growth -- bones are longer, but less dense and robust, leaving them more susceptible to Osteosarcomas and joint issues. In our own case, we have never neutered our dogs (all giant breeds). None has suffered from severe arthritis, or developed Osteosarcoma or any other form of cancer (this is over three decades). Two years ago we adopted a neutered IWH who was five years old. Looking at his records, he was neutered at six mths. He is 38" tall, BUT has thin, spindly bones, and without medication suffers terribly from arthritis in virtually every joint.

I would also comment that neutering your DDB is very unlikely to have any affect on his aggressiveness.
 

Kujo

Well-Known Member
Re: Question on Neutering…

I second that neutering would most likely not help with this behaviour...it's possible, sure, but not likely.

What kind of collar are you using? Have you tried experiementing with different types of training collars to help with control?
 

musicdeb

Well-Known Member
Re: Question on Neutering…

Sounds like the pup needs some more training. Joshuagough, a forum member, gives great tips and suggestions on training.


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Robsnat

Member
Re: Question on Neutering…

Hi my boy Jax is 14 mos and he is very protective on lead also. He barks and his hair raises on his back too .When he is off leash he is the biggest suck loves playing with dogs and people. We think it is a stage he is going thru it has been a long winter and we hope getting him out and about will help. Last summer we had no issues at all with his behavior . I agree that neutering early causes more harm than good and doesn't do much for aggression. More training is the best option. I know it can be very frustrating i feel for you good luck
 

Siloh

Well-Known Member
Re: Question on Neutering…

Not sure how to address the lab issue (I have a neutered chi who is still rather possessive and insecure, and he--no poo!--bullies my pit/mastiff, and we're seeking professional help).

Have you tried using treats to make the dog come to the side of the walkway (or in grass, on some steps, etc.) and face you while treating for eye contact? Sometimes people will just be in your dog's "zone," and this is not possible to stop the behavior, in which case I would recommend doing a circle and then going the other way, then circling again and trying again while treating for paying attention to you.

I also describe in several posts my backward walking method, where I have Hamlet sit and face me and we walk very, verrrrry slowly backward, sitting frequently when I stop and treating, until we are past the distraction.


"Nothing is neither good nor bad, but thinking makes it so."
Hamlet Prince of Denmark
 

cyberous

Member
Re: Question on Neutering…

Thanks for the great feedback.
My question was really focusing on the information I found about dogs getting taller if neutered sooner. I’ve read so many articles on the pros and cons of neutering however, real life examples are what helped me in my decision.

A coworker of mine has a 6 year old DDB and she had a similar experience of the dogue getting more and more aggressive. In her case the dogue showed progressing aggression towards the father-in-law. She finally neutered him at 3 years old and she said within weeks the aggression issues went away.

Those of you (if you dare) that have neutered your dogue at an early age are they taller than the breed standard? This is just a curiosity.
 

Jadotha

Well-Known Member
Re: Question on Neutering…

Why do you say "If you dare"? As I've already said,whilst he is not a DDB, our neutered (at 6 mths) IWH -- at 38" -- is quite a bit beyond the breed standard minimum of 32", and goal of producing avg male specimens between 32" and 34". He is impressively tall, but as I also emphasised, spindly with painful, incapacitating joint problems, which I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.

Are you really saying you want to neuter early to get a taller dog, despite the many documented risks to his health? What do you find attractive about an overly tall, spindly dog?

Also, you might mull over what your fallback, as a loving and responsible owner, might be if neutering fails to resolve the aggressiveness issues.
 

Smokeycat

Well-Known Member
Re: Question on Neutering…

I have a male that was neutered at 5.5 months and I don't think that it likely affected his height/weight. He isn't a mastiff and is a cross between two breeds but he does fit into those standards. He has the height of an Irish Setter and is at the bottom of the weight range for a Golden Retriever. That said there are some behavior traits that may be related to his early neuter. He still acts like a puppy, including pushing limits that he knows he isn't allowed to cross. This could be breed related but his brain will never develop the way it should have.