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Zoeymil

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Please forgive me...I have not started raw yet. My girl was just diagnosed with cancer and want to get her off all carbs. She is a terrible gulper so I'm terrified of the bones at this point. I will eventually because I get all the benefits and it's just silly fears. But at this point I am trying to learn all I can about her cancer and raw at the same time. I am confused about chicken....it seems like so much bone in quarters and necks etc..? Does anyone grind their food? Anyone have examples of their diets?I'm just feeling overwhelmed.
 
My goodness I'm sorry to hear about your pup. I'd be shit for advice in the raw department, I only feed kibble and gift "people food". I just wanted to express my concern for your pup and ask if you could share some photos so I know who to send my healing energy to.
 

Zoeymil

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Thank you so much I would greatly appreciate any positive thoughts, prayers, vibes and all the above:). I would post a pic lol but it keeps telling me the pic exceeds...ipad not uploading.
 

angelbears

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I am so sorry! Big hugs and healing thoughts for you both.In the beginning don't worry too much about too much bone content. At least 2 or more weeks. Yes, you can grind meats and yes feeding bones can be scary. I've been feeding raw for 4 or 5 years now and I still worry about it. I feed twice a day. Morning meals are boneless meals and the afternoon meal about 4/5 times a week are bone-in and a couple are boneless. Seems to be close to the right ratio. Each dog will be a little different. To help train Zoey you can hold the bone and let her chew it from your hand. Good luck!!!
 

Hector

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If I were you this is what I would do. Keep it simple and go to the store and buy either a package of chicken leg quarters or whole chicken and cut it up into 4 sections. Feed about 2 lbs of raw meat and if you think your dog likes it and is doing well then start adding some liver/gizzards/hearts/kidneys (organs & muscle meat). They say follow the 80% meat/10% bone/10% organs/muscle. If the dog is full grown, I wouldn't worry about the ratios too much. I've heard of some dogs going through a detox phase where they break out in hives and get diarrhea. I've fed raw to my 3 dogs and I always switch them cold turkey and haven't had that problem. Some dogs are also allergic to chicken in the kibble so watch out for a reaction to chicken allergies. And no I don't mess with all that grinding. If I'm going to feed raw then they should get the teeth cleaning benefit that comes with it.
 

TricAP

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So sorry to hear you have gotten such terrible news!!! We started feeding raw about 10 months ago - 3 dogs ranging in ages at that time from 6 months to 10 years - with weights from 4 lbs to constantly growing. Angus, our EM is a horrible gobble gulper snark monster - I swear he doesn't chew. Truly he does but just enough to get it swallowed. Dogs digestive enzymes are well equipped to dissolve the bones. The first few weeks you want that extra bone ratio in chicken thighs (about 15% bone) to keep the poop firm as your girl adjusts. There are commercially ground products that have the bone already ground in the 10% ratio. Happy Tails is a supplier I like in the PNW that does consistent products at a good price. I've done a lot of research and none of the grinders on the market - unless you buy a commercial grade one will handle the bones for very long and it does void the warranty. For a while I used a meat tenderizer mallet to pound the bones fine enough for our Chi. Have you tried doing an online search for RAW or BARF co-op's in your area? That can be a great budget saver. Also shopping grocery store sales and being able to buy in bulk can help. There is a lot of great information in this sub forum to answer questions too. Good luck and don't hesitate to ask questions - so many great knowledgeable people on this Forum that can offer support. We'll keep your in our thoughts!
 

BAMCB

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Ummmm.... What happened to my post???I'll try again. I am so sorry:( We will be sending lots of healing thoughts your way. As for grinding, that is my routine. I grind meat(80%), bone(10%), liver(5%), organ(5%), tripe and veggies. I then mix it all with raw eggs, gelatin or whatever else is going in. I scoop into 1 oz meatballs and freeze them. Super easy to portion out and feed frozen. I give additional bone to my puppy who needs more and also give chicken feet, rabbit feet, turkey tails, yogurt etc on top of their balanced meatballs as a way to kinda tailor it to each dog. You are in the right place for learning about and transitioning(if you decided to) to a raw diet. And please do keep us updated.
 

BAMCB

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I should add that they get "chew time" almost daily on femur bones too. I never ground(and would prefer not to) until our rescue moved in. She still regurgitates everything except what I listed in my previous post. Even if she gets any small pieces of bone off during chew time she vomits them up. If you can transition to feeding chunks as others have described I would start with that. My first dogs did great despite being gulpers.
 

cj-sharpy

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first and foremost I'm sorry to hear about your pups cancer, good vibes your way all day long. I would say that obviously a BARF diet wont cure that problem but I've seen the benefits first hand with an older dog and I'm sure she would benefit and feel better even with her cancer. The best advice i can give you is dont worry, raw feeding is easy as pie. Get meat, put meat in bowl, done. simples. There is the 80/10/10 ratio but its far from set in stone, just watch the poo. if you see dry crumbly poo, reduce the bone, if its sloppy then give less organ meat, if it is bright yellow (and it will be) then that's chicken. Start with chicken. its easy for dogs to digest. I personally do give a starve day before swapping to raw to make sure the pooch is good and hungry and free of most of the kibble before they get raw. Plenty of people don't do this starve day and no negative consequences either way. if yo are unsure about it all most pet shops will stock a prepackaged mince with the correct ratios. It is more expensive than going DIY but its a good way to lower your self in. When you have found your feet you can start looking for dedicated pet food suppliers or asking butchers for freebies and keeping an eye out for discounted meet in the shops (I always found Ox tail cheap as chips) Stay away from bleached white tripe. It has almost no benefit compared to green tripe. But I would recommend avoiding green tripe too until you are ready for the smell. If you have a gulper on your hands then I would recommend feeding blocks of mince frozen or partially frozen, this encourages them to chew. once she has learned to chew her food properly then I would move on to chicken legs or pork ribs. i hope that helps a little.
 

tmricciuto

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I plan to start my girls on raw in the new year...need to get a freezer big enough. There is a group here where I can get cases of items for really low prices and she does minces which I will get for variety of meats. I have found that shopping sales and even Costco can keep the cost down a bit. It's going to be expensive for us, but I figure I can stock up on turkeys when they are cheap and break them up myself. Keep us posted and I'm sending lots of good juju to your girl.
 

DennasMom

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More healing thoughts headed your way from me & Denna, too! Check out "GreenJuJuKitchen.com" - they're local out here in Seattle, and I don't know if the ship... but you can make a similar supplement at home, too. They have all sorts of "miracle" stories on their website. I have no idea what the science is behind the miracles, other than, boost that immune system with everything you've got and support the whole dog to send those white blood cells into battle with the cancer cells. Lots of positive, healing energy and all the good nutrition you can pack in a meal. Which... I do believe raw is the way to go.
 

DennasMom

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As for grinding... and bone for gulpers... you can start out with grinds. I feed about 50% of Denna's bone needs as ground-in, pre-purchased that way from a raw dog food supplier in our area. The other half, I cycle through different cuts... but if you're worried about gulping, get BIG cuts with bone-in... like a flat of lamb or pork ribs. The dog should go to town on the nice soft ends, and still have meat to hold onto when the harder bits in the middle are in the works. Once the dog is well transitioned to raw, the big bits of bone should get digested once they're in the tummy, too. Denna's good at puking up chunks when she eats too much bone... not recommended for routine feeding results, but it's a good feedback system letting me know when I need to give her more bone-less meals. :)
 

BAMCB

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Please forgive me...I have not started raw yet. My girl was just diagnosed with cancer and want to get her off all carbs. She is a terrible gulper so I'm terrified of the bones at this point. I will eventually because I get all the benefits and it's just silly fears. But at this point I am trying to learn all I can about her cancer and raw at the same time. I am confused about chicken....it seems like so much bone in quarters and necks etc..? Does anyone grind their food? Anyone have examples of their diets?I'm just feeling overwhelmed.

Any updates? Did you start raw? How's your girl?