Right about the AKC (unfortunately)

[Annette Coleman]

We lodged a complaint with the AKC about Pacifica's About Time for Mischief which we purchased in October. Even though we did not receive the registration application until the middle of February, the microchip number on the contract and AKC application did not match the chip in the dog AND at 10 months the dog is only 54 pounds with round eyes, the AKC without ANY investigation, held a committee meeting. Based on pictures we sent they decided not to disturb the registration for the litter and that she is simply "a poor representative of the breed".

Does anyone know of a competitor registry? Or is the dog world stuck being continually ripped off by the AKC?

 

[Sheila Braund]

Wow sorry this has happened to your family. Thank you for telling us your story. I'm not sure what can be done. I'm in Canada. I know if it was me I would be extremely upset..... I would do just as you are, getting as much education on this as I could. When you bought your pup did you get a contract.... If yes I would start there. With a contract you can take it to small clams court I would think....
And how far do you want to go. Would you want to return the pup for the correct dog that is on your contract?

 

[Justin B.]

We lodged a complaint with the AKC about Pacifica's About Time for Mischief which we purchased in October. Even though we did not receive the registration application until the middle of February, the microchip number on the contract and AKC application did not match the chip in the dog AND at 10 months the dog is only 54 pounds with round eyes, the AKC without ANY investigation, held a committee meeting. Based on pictures we sent they decided not to disturb the registration for the litter and that she is simply "a poor representative of the breed".

Does anyone know of a competitor registry? Or is the dog world stuck being continually ripped off by the AKC?

The Cane Corso is relatively new to the AKC.
There are other registries though.

The next major American one is the ICCF. You may be able to take your AKC papers and transfer them back to ICCF papers. Which is the opposite of what most people did. Most people transfered or dual register from the ICCF to the AKC. This is because the AKC is bigger and has more shows, more working events, and flat out its a known name. So those are the PREFERRED papers to have.
You can also use your AKC papers to go to the UKC registry.

Why do you want to switch? All the registry does is give you a pedigree and some proof your dog is pure bred. Or the ability to show or breed your dog and have papered puppies. Unfortunately breeding and showing your dog doesnt sound possible anyways.
It will be the same info and database service. But you will have to pay a new fee.

There are also Italian registries and other world wide registries and clubs like the FCI . Not sure what orignal registry they require to transfer over. Ussually they only take AKC papers.

Im not to sure what you think the AKC did wrong???

You want them to void the papers and the litter the dog came from????

Even the best breeders have poor puppies from time to time.

Yes that weight is alarming.

It all comes down to this. Did you tell the breeder you wanted a show quality dog or a dog within the standard with no disqualifying faults????

Sounds like they sold you a pet quality dog instead.
Most good breeders would replace or come up with a solution for that.

Its more of a civil matter. The AKC just really cares if the dogs are pure bred and the pedigree is honest for the most part.
Changing registries wont result in anything different. No other registry would do anyrhing different im afraid.

 

[Annette Coleman]

The Cane Corso is relatively new to the AKC.
There are other registries though.

The next major American one is the ICCF. You may be able to take your AKC papers and transfer them back to ICCF papers. Which is the opposite of what most people did. Most people transfered or dual register from the ICCF to the AKC. This is because the AKC is bigger and has more shows, more working events, and flat out its a known name. So those are the PREFERRED papers to have.
You can also use your AKC papers to go to the UKC registry.

Why do you want to switch? All the registry does is give you a pedigree and some proof your dog is pure bred. Or the ability to show or breed your dog and have papered puppies. Unfortunately breeding and showing your dog doesnt sound possible anyways.
It will be the same info and database service. But you will have to pay a new fee.

There are also Italian registries and other world wide registries and clubs like the FCI . Not sure what orignal registry they require to transfer over. Ussually they only take AKC papers.

Im not to sure what you think the AKC did wrong???

You want them to void the papers and the litter the dog came from????

Even the best breeders have poor puppies from time to time.

Yes that weight is alarming.

It all comes down to this. Did you tell the breeder you wanted a show quality dog or a dog within the standard with no disqualifying faults????

Sounds like they sold you a pet quality dog instead.
Most good breeders would replace or come up with a solution for that.

Its more of a civil matter. The AKC just really cares if the dogs are pure bred and the pedigree is honest for the most part.
Changing registries wont result in anything different. No other registry would do anyrhing different im afraid.

We strongly suspect that the dog is actually a Boxer mix. And quite frankly fraud. The microchip in the dog doesn't match the contract or the AKC application that Mike Drucker sent us. When we first got the dog, both the vet and trainer told us that the dog acted like she had been badly abused, even though we were promised a well-socialized dog. The dog also had a roundworm infestation and had not received all of her shots -- if the vet record we received with her is accurate.
The breeder we bought her from effectively voids any warranty in her 10 page contract that she will not send until she receives a $500 non-refundable deposit. We were misled by the contract section of her website that reads like most dog purchase contracts I have read. I was dumbfounded when I saw the contract. It's no wonder she refuses to post it on her website .

I must admit we were stupid. And vulnerable . We had just lost our first Corso who was a rescue . She had become my daughter's emotional support animal, unofficial service dog and guardian. She lives alone and needed a replacement urgently, so we wanted an older puppy. Lauren knew all of this and took advantage . I resent and distrust any entity that would call her a "Breeder of Merit"

If the AKC guarantees pedigree, it should have conducted blood tests on the dog and its parents.
If AKC only means something in the show rinh, then it should only register show dogs. Most people only want a high quality companion and mistakenly believe that AKC papers indicate a high quality dog. AKC encourage's this misperception in PR while legally mentioning in small print that they do not guarantee quality.

Why have registries if they don't work to promote quality animals or to guarantee that the dogs they register and actually who they are purportrd to be? It seems like paying for nothing.

 

[Annette Coleman]

Wow sorry this has happened to your family. Thank you for telling us your story. I'm not sure what can be done. I'm in Canada. I know if it was me I would be extremely upset..... I would do just as you are, getting as much education on this as I could. When you bought your pup did you get a contract.... If yes I would start there. With a contract you can take it to small clams court I would think....
And how far do you want to go. Would you want to return the pup for the correct dog that is on your contract?

My daughter, who is a college student, needs a large dog to help with physical needs, so while we love her, but I don't know if she would be willing to part with the dog even though she is definately not what we paid for.
Part of the problem is geography we are in Tennessee and both of the questionable breeders involved are in New Mexico. We are considering filing fraud charges because of the microchip discrepancy which is why I asked about micrchip mismatches in a different theead.

 

[Justin B.]

We strongly suspect that the dog is actually a Boxer mix. And quite frankly fraud. The microchip in the dog doesn't match the contract or the AKC application that Mike Drucker sent us. When we first got the dog, both the vet and trainer told us that the dog acted like she had been badly abused, even though we were promised a well-socialized dog. The dog also had a roundworm infestation and had not received all of her shots -- if the vet record we received with her is accurate.
The breeder we bought her from effectively voids any warranty in her 10 page contract that she will not send until she receives a $500 non-refundable deposit. We were misled by the contract section of her website that reads like most dog purchase contracts I have read. I was dumbfounded when I saw the contract. It's no wonder she refuses to post it on her website .

I must admit we were stupid. And vulnerable . We had just lost our first Corso who was a rescue . She had become my daughter's emotional support animal, unofficial service dog and guardian. She lives alone and needed a replacement urgently, so we wanted an older puppy. Lauren knew all of this and took advantage . I resent and distrust any entity that would call her a "Breeder of Merit"

If the AKC guarantees pedigree, it should have conducted blood tests on the dog and its parents.
If AKC only means something in the show rinh, then it should only register show dogs. Most people only want a high quality companion and mistakenly believe that AKC papers indicate a high quality dog. AKC encourage's this misperception in PR while legally mentioning in small print that they do not guarantee quality.

Why have registries if they don't work to promote quality animals or to guarantee that the dogs they register and actually who they are purportrd to be? It seems like paying for nothing.

I'm sorry to hear that. Yeah if what you are saying is true thats horrible. I read some of this in your other post.
Definitely the breeder's fault if all that is legit.
Im sure you know this but if you cant see a contract first without money. Walk away.

The AKC cant blood test dogs. Thats just very unrealistic. Logistics and cost wise. The cost would be astronomical if all puppies had to have DNA blood test. They sometimes do require blood test for shady stuff or if there is concrete proof of funny buisness. But you or the breeder have to pay for and provide that. Do you know anybody who bought a litter mate of your dog that has the same issues????? This can be helpful.

All pure bred dogs are not show dogs. The registries aren't just for shows. They do working and other activities too. You can also purchase Pet quality pure bred dogs. These are dogs for people who want the experience of owning a certain breed but dont want to breed or show them. They ussualy are more affordable. Its a good way to get a low cost introduction into certain breeds. And have a little more "proof" that the dog is pure. Instead of buying a dog with no pedigree or registry.
The AKC is a buisness. Its not a non profit. Its not a government entity. Or a right for dog owners.
Unfortunately you learned a very true fact about all registries. Unethical breeders can trick them. This is the "ugly truth" about all pure bred dogs. Thats were things get "political" too.

I agree the Breeder of Merritt is marketing and misleading. I am to a little shocked that they would let certain people on it. But dog people have always known this. It sucks navigating this world as a novice. Its a legit feedback complaint. But think about how much your AKC registration is...Its peanuts to them.

Again did you tell them you wanted a show quality dog or of breed quality ????? That matters legally

What has the breeder said about the health issues and weight of the dog???????

Did the contract say anything like "pet quality" or "not for breeding purposes??????"

I would focus on the contract and the breeder not the AKC. Thats going to be your best course of action.

The only thing the AKC could do would be to block the breeder, litter, and potentially other litters. That doesn't fix your terrible issue at all. And it causes a ton of collateral damage for many innocent people who have papers from that breeder.

I really feel for you.

 

[Annette Coleman]

I'm sorry to hear that. Yeah if what you are saying is true thats horrible. I read some of this in your other post.
Definitely the breeder's fault if all that is legit.
Im sure you know this but if you cant see a contract first without money. Walk away.

The AKC cant blood test dogs. Thats just very unrealistic. Logistics and cost wise. The cost would be astronomical if all puppies had to have DNA blood test. They sometimes do require blood test for shady stuff or if there is concrete proof of funny buisness. But you or the breeder have to pay for and provide that. Do you know anybody who bought a litter mate of your dog that has the same issues????? This can be helpful.

All pure bred dogs are not show dogs. The registries aren't just for shows. They do working and other activities too. You can also purchase Pet quality pure bred dogs. These are dogs for people who want the experience of owning a certain breed but dont want to breed or show them. They ussualy are more affordable. Its a good way to get a low cost introduction into certain breeds. And have a little more "proof" that the dog is pure. Instead of buying a dog with no pedigree or registry.
The AKC is a buisness. Its not a non profit. Its not a government entity. Or a right for dog owners.
Unfortunately you learned a very true fact about all registries. Unethical breeders can trick them. This is the "ugly truth" about all pure bred dogs. Thats were things get "political" too.

I agree the Breeder of Merritt is marketing and misleading. I am to a little shocked that they would let certain people on it. But dog people have always known this. It sucks navigating this world as a novice. Its a legit feedback complaint. But think about how much your AKC registration is...Its peanuts to them.

Again did you tell them you wanted a show quality dog or of breed quality ????? That matters legally

What has the breeder said about the health issues and weight of the dog???????

Did the contract say anything like "pet quality" or "not for breeding purposes??????"

I would focus on the contract and the breeder not the AKC. Thats going to be your best course of action.

The only thing the AKC could do would be to block the breeder, litter, and potentially other litters. That doesn't fix your terrible issue at all. And it causes a ton of collateral damage for many innocent people who have papers from that breeder.

I really feel for you.

Yes, the contract is for pet quality dog. However, unless there is a way I can force her to produce the dog with the microchipeople referencedo in the contract, I'm not sure what it's worth. Is the microchip a legal identification of a particular dog?

The breeder will do nothing. In fact she resisted providing any papers, dismissed the worm and vaccination issue and accused us of "trying to make a stink" .

As far a's I'm concerned the AKC should block her as a breeder. I'mean not sure what collateral damage you're talking about. Can you please explain that comment ?

Afterit was too late I learned that she is known for producing dogs with epilepsy and there is currently a review online about her forcing a customer to let her breed a severely dysplasic dog against the vet's recommendation. I believe that she is currently marketing a new litter. What abut the collateral damage of allowing her to continue to breed and sell inferior dogs?

 

[Justin B.]

Yes, the contract is for pet quality dog. However, unless there is a way I can force her to produce the dog with the microchipeople referencedo in the contract, I'm not sure what it's worth. Is the microchip a legal identification of a particular dog?

The breeder will do nothing. In fact she resisted providing any papers, dismissed the worm and vaccination issue and accused us of "trying to make a stink" .

As far a's I'm concerned the AKC should block her as a breeder. I'mean not sure what collateral damage you're talking about. Can you please explain that comment ?

Afterit was too late I learned that she is known for producing dogs with epilepsy and there is currently a review online about her forcing a customer to let her breed a severely dysplasic dog against the vet's recommendation. I believe that she is currently marketing a new litter. What abut the collateral damage of allowing her to continue to breed and sell inferior dogs?

Yeah "pet quality" is the key word. Just as I suspected. Super shady of them to not inform somebody of that in detail verbally. So thats going to cover her for the size and the appearance of the dog.

Health and microchip still has a legal leg I would look in to. Can you explain the microchip discrepancy in as much detail as possible?????
When did you first take the dog to the vet after you recieved it?????

Sure, as for collateral damage if they block her or your litter. or other litters from both breeders... the other puppy buyers who paid good money for a dog with papers get their papers revoked or are unable to register if they haven't already too. We dont know the real DNA of the dog yet. We also dont know if the rest of the litter suffered the same health issues.

Thats her right unfortunaly. The AKC cant stop somebody from breeding inferior dogs. AKC dogs run the gambit from great to horrible. Just like any registry. A registry does not prove the health or quality of a dog. It never can or will be able to do that. Thats what vets and owners are for. We cant count on a registry to do everything for us. They have a lot more prestige than substance if you dont show your dog.
But you are right if your allegations and suspicions are true the other owners should know the truth too.

 

[Boxergirl]

I'm sorry this happened. Justin's posts are spot on. Please update us on the situation. My thoughts also go out to your daughter. Other than size, is this dog able, or will it be able, to perform the tasks that your daughter needs?

 

[Annette Coleman]

Yeah "pet quality" is the key word. Just as I suspected. Super shady of them to not inform somebody of that in detail verbally. So thats going to cover her for the size and the appearance of the dog.

Health and microchip still has a legal leg I would look in to. Can you explain the microchip discrepancy in as much detail as possible?????
When did you first take the dog to the vet after you recieved it?????

Sure, as for collateral damage if they block her or your litter. or other litters from both breeders... the other puppy buyers who paid good money for a dog with papers get their papers revoked or are unable to register if they haven't already too. We dont know the real DNA of the dog yet. We also dont know if the rest of the litter suffered the same health issues.

Thats her right unfortunaly. The AKC cant stop somebody from breeding inferior dogs. AKC dogs run the gambit from great to horrible. Just like any registry. A registry does not prove the health or quality of a dog. It never can or will be able to do that. Thats what vets and owners are for. We cant count on a registry to do everything for us. They have a lot more prestige than substance if you dont show your dog.
But you are right if your allegations and suspicions are true the other owners should know the

I'm sorry this happened. Justin's posts are spot on. Please update us on the situation. My thoughts also go out to your daughter. Other than size, is this dog able, or will it be able, to perform the tasks that your daughter needs?

We're not sure yet. She is intelligent but is more spastic than our other corsos and isn't as in tune with my daughter's feelings and needs. This may just be the puppy in her. We didn't get the dog she is replacing until she was more than a year old. And when our alpha male was this age, he didn't need to do these jobs. Our need is a big part of why we are so upset about Laura'so complete lack of ethics.
I agree with most of what Justin says EXCEPT I still believe that AKC shold be more honest about the fact that it supports and provides accolades to unethical breeders and breeders who produce inferior dogs. However, the AKC chooses to grant Breeder of Merit status therefore is no better than the worst pup that breeders with this status produce and sell. Prestige should not be for sale and should be lost through bad behavior.
I don't want to see anyone else get hurr, but if the breeding is questionable shouldn't the registration be overturned? If not, what's the point in having a registry? Why not get the pedigree straight from the breeder without paying the AKC?

 

[Justin B.]

We're not sure yet. She is intelligent but is more spastic than our other corsos and isn't as in tune with my daughter's feelings and needs. This may just be the puppy in her. We didn't get the dog she is replacing until she was more than a year old. And when our alpha male was this age, he didn't need to do these jobs. Our need is a big part of why we are so upset about Laura'so complete lack of ethics.
I agree with most of what Justin says EXCEPT I still believe that AKC shold be more honest about the fact that it supports and provides accolades to unethical breeders and breeders who produce inferior dogs. However, the AKC chooses to grant Breeder of Merit status therefore is no better than the worst pup that breeders with this status produce and sell. Prestige should not be for sale and should be lost through bad behavior.
I don't want to see anyone else get hurr, but if the breeding is questionable shouldn't the registration be overturned? If not, what's the point in having a registry? Why not get the pedigree straight from the breeder without paying the AKC?

#1 Because its a non biased 3rd party verification. Its exactly as its name states. A registry. Meaning they register and handle the paperwork and the database for the whole breed. The full names, owners, address, the colors, the sex, the DOBs, the sales date, transfering ownership, and how they are all linked together. Its a very useful and needed service. If you did your own...it wouldnt have any form of verification. Could be lost or damaged. And it wouldnt link up to any of the other breeders. Corsos are probably born daily I would guess. Its a big task.

#2 You are already having trouble trusting a breeder to just get you a decent dog. Why would you trust them to track and maintain an accurate pedigree? Then again logistically how would the breeder keep track of all their puppies and what the new owners do with them. That would be a giant cluster ---blank---... If you thought people were adding in boxer now....just wait until any Joe Schmoe can create their own pedigree. It will be just like how non papered dogs are sold.. Some genius will grab a blue or brindle mixed petbull puppy and sell it as a Cane Corso for more money. You can frequently see threads on here of people being scammed like that from buying unpapered dogs as well.

These pedigrees go back to the first Corsos imported.
You dont have to pay for the pedigree. You can just pay to register the dog. The pedigree and your dogs registration papers are 2 seperate documents. 2 different services the AKC and most other registries provide.

No reputable organization is going to overturn anything for something questionable....They would need irrefutable proof. Or more than a handful of complaints.
Its not just the AKC its how all registries work.

The Breeder of Merritt thing is definitely in poor taste. The AKC is there to service both the breeders and puppy buyers. I am sure if they added criteria to the Breeder of Merritt many of the breeders on their would complain. So they are in a catch 22 with that.

But that does not make the whole institution worthless or of no value.

What is your plan of action as of now????

 

[DennasMom]

The AKC is just a repository of hereditary history.... a "good" breeder is one that pays them money and registers dogs in the database. Other than that. No value.

Just my layman's viewpoint. I don't breed or show, so maybe I'm missing some other value they provide... but, based on your experience, I doubt it.

So sorry you're having to go through this!

I hope the microchip issue gives you some leverage. I would think the contract is null and void if the dog's ID doesn't match what's in your paperwork.

Have you contacted any lawyers about the chip issue? Maybe the AKC can point you to some "reputable" lawyers with dog ID experience? If you start talking lawyers with them, maybe they'll get off their behind and start their own investigation...

 

[DennasMom]

And, I'll add, having a central database of hereditary history is a valuable thing... just says absolutely nothing as to the quality of the animals being registered, nor the breeders producing the registrants.

 

[Annette Coleman]

And, I'll add, having a central database of hereditary history is a valuable thing... just says absolutely nothing as to the quality of the animals being registered, nor the breeders producing the registrants.

How valuable is this history if the information in it is incorrect or falsified?

 

[Justin B.]

How valuable is this history if the information in it is incorrect or falsified?

More valuable than if a majority of it is falsifed or no record at all. Or the registries where you get to tell them what you want your papers to say. Those exist too.

AKC is not full proof. No full proof registry exists. But keep in mind eventually the breeders who do "hang papers" on dogs do get caught. I tried to give you some hints and tips on how you could do that.

As mentioned earlier.
AKC Confirmation Shows,Working, Sporting, Events and competitions are of huge value and way of life for many people.

 

[Annette Coleman]

#1 Because its a non biased 3rd party verification. Its exactly as its name states. A registry. Meaning they register and handle the paperwork and the database for the whole breed. The full names, owners, address, the colors, the sex, the DOBs, the sales date, transfering ownership, and how they are all linked together. Its a very useful and needed service. If you did your own...it wouldnt have any form of verification. Could be lost or damaged. And it wouldnt link up to any of the other breeders. Corsos are probably born daily I would guess. Its a big task.

#2 You are already having trouble trusting a breeder to just get you a decent dog. Why would you trust them to track and maintain an accurate pedigree? Then again logistically how would the breeder keep track of all their puppies and what the new owners do with them. That would be a giant cluster ---blank---... If you thought people were adding in boxer now....just wait until any Joe Schmoe can create their own pedigree. It will be just like how non papered dogs are sold.. Some genius will grab a blue or brindle mixed petbull puppy and sell it as a Cane Corso for more money. You can frequently see threads on here of people being scammed like that from buying unpapered dogs as well.

These pedigrees go back to the first Corsos imported.
You dont have to pay for the pedigree. You can just pay to register the dog. The pedigree and your dogs registration papers are 2 seperate documents. 2 different services the AKC and most other registries provide.

No reputable organization is going to overturn anything for something questionable....They would need irrefutable proof. Or more than a handful of complaints.
Its not just the AKC its how all registries work.

The Breeder of Merritt thing is definitely in poor taste. The AKC is there to service both the breeders and puppy buyers. I am sure if they added criteria to the Breeder of Merritt many of the breeders on their would complain. So they are in a catch 22 with that.

But that does not make the whole institution worthless or of no value.

What is your plan of action as of now????

#1. These records are only as accurate as the information provided by the people who pay to have the record created.

#2 My mistake was trusting a breeder and believin that a pup produced from high quality papered stock would be a good dog. Quite frankly, we believe that this breeder took a brindle boxer Corso mix and sold it WITH AKC papers as a purebred animal. AKC accepts at face value that this is in fact a purebbed animal because the breeder paid it to make that determination.

We have owned 3 Corsos. The first one we obtained through a rescue. We had NEVER even heard of a Cane Corso before, but quickly fell in love with the breed. Until Xena, I thought that there was no difference between papered animals and non-papered animals. Although we never saw them, the rescue group assured us that she had papers. So when we wanted another dog, we bought Constantine, our volatile alpha male. He is the perfect farm dog, but is too volatile to live in close proximity to strangers. The other "purebred" is the boxer mix we purchased last October.

In my experience with Corsos, the rescue dog was a much higher quality animal than the one from a "Breeder of Merit"

Your comment about breeders complaining about qualifications being added to achieve that title proves my point : the AKC is primarily concerned with keeping money coming in from breeders not promoting the breeding of high quality dogs or maintaining factual records.

 

[Annette Coleman]

More valuable than if a majority of it is falsifed or no record at all. Or the registries where you get to tell them what you want your papers to say. Those exist too.

AKC is not full proof. No full proof registry exists. But keep in mind eventually the breeders who do "hang papers" on dogs do get caught. I tried to give you some hints and tips on how you could do that.

I guess I'm too dense to pick up on your hints and tips. Can you please spell out how to get these people caught?

 

[Justin B.]

#1. These records are only as accurate as the information provided by the people who pay to have the record created.

#2 My mistake was trusting a breeder and believin that a pup produced from high quality papered stock would be a good dog. Quite frankly, we believe that this breeder took a brindle boxer Corso mix and sold it WITH AKC papers as a purebred animal. AKC accepts at face value that this is in fact a purebbed animal because the breeder paid it to make that determination.

We have owned 3 Corsos. The first one we obtained through a rescue. We had NEVER even heard of a Cane Corso before, but quickly fell in love with the breed. Until Xena, I thought that there was no difference between papered animals and non-papered animals. Although we never saw them, the rescue group assured us that she had papers. So when we wanted another dog, we bought Constantine, our volatile alpha male. He is the perfect farm dog, but is too volatile to live in close proximity to strangers. The other "purebred" is the boxer mix we purchased last October.

In my experience with Corsos, the rescue dog was a much higher quality animal than the one from a "Breeder of Merit"

Your comment about breeders complaining about qualifications being added to achieve that title proves my point : the AKC is primarily concerned with keeping money coming in from breeders not promoting the breeding of high quality dogs or maintaining factual records.

Yes they are an American buisness. Buisness main goal is to be profitable and generate money.

They dont owe us a moral obligation beyound keeping the registry and issuing paper work and documents paid for.

Your #2 Claim is super easy to prove. The AKC is not going to revoke papers or litters based off of pics and speculation.
However, if you had official concrete proof I would bet the situation would get handled differently by them. That would be a true measure of their worth.

Yes a papered pure bred dog doesn't mean it is of better health, or quality than a non papered dog or mutt.
It just means some additional verification and procedures were taken to help ensure this dog is as "pure" as they can.
I think there are a lot of studies that show mutts are actually prone to less genetic and chronic health problems than pure bred dogs. Due to genetic diversity.


If you think people lie and try to trick the AKC, trust me buying unpapered dogs is even more risky and filled with even less scrupulous breeders. They are the ones who have already been bounced from the registries. But pure bred dogs can not have papers for lots of reasons.
-Owner might owe the registry money.
-Wrote bad checks to registry
- Lost the puppy registration card
-Novices mistake the registration card for the actual papers. Or a copy of the pedigree.
-Or people are too cheap to pay the money or dont have it.
-Some breeders dont sell the papers with the dog
So you could potentially get a great "Real Corso" that doesn't have papers. But those are also the same excuses the bait and switch people pull with random mutt puppies.

 

[Justin B.]

Annette, its not letting me quote your last post ....

I dont think you are dense. I just think you are upset by a very bad situation. Its understandable.
I will send you a conversation with some good steps of what I would do

 

[Annette Coleman]

Yes they are an American buisness. Buisness main goal is to be profitable and generate money.

AKC used to be a non-profit whose mission was to promote purebred. TheI prestige was built on working to promote the integrity and quality of purebred dogs. If they are no longer doing this then they deserve to lose their prestige. When that happens AKC pups won't cost any more than non AKC pups. In my opinion based on experience, AKC papers are worthless .



They dont owe us a moral obligation beyound keeping the registry and issuing paper work and documents paid for.

Again you prove my point, the information they put out is bought and paid for therefore is no more reliable than the most corrupt breeder who pays for their service. I don't like to pay for unverified information and I rarely believe unsubstantiated information that is provided for money.




Your #2 Claim is super easy to prove. The AKC is not going to revoke papers or litters based off of pics and speculation.
However, if you had official concrete proof I would bet the situation would get handled differently by them. That would be a true measure of their worth.

What proof would do this? My beef with AKC is that they did not ask for proof, but acted on pictures to protect the customer who has paid them the most. They did not even tell me what proof they needed to take action.


Yes a papered pure bred dog doesn't mean it is of better health, or quality than a non papered dog or mutt.
It just means some additional verification and procedures were taken to help ensure this dog is as "pure" as they can.

The presumption is that AKC papers mean this when in fact they don't. All it means is that a series of papers were purchased from the AKC. My point is that AKC should take steps to make sure that purity is maintained.


I think there are a lot of studies that show mutts are actually prone to less genetic and chronic health problems than pure bred dogs. Due to genetic diversity.
Very true!!!!!


If you think people lie and try to trick the AKC, trust me buying unpapered dogs is even more risky and filled with even less scrupulous breeders.

Not in my experience. The unpapered dogs that I have owned have been better quality (and much cheaper) than the papered ones-- hence my low opinion of AKC.

They are the ones who have already been bounced from the registries. But pure bred dogs can not have papers for lots of reasons.
-Owner might owe the registry money.
-Wrote bad checks to registry
- Lost the puppy registration card
-Novices mistake the registration card for the actual papers. Or a copy of the pedigree.
-Or people are too cheap to pay the money or dont have it.
-Some breeders dont sell the papers with the dog
So you could potentially get a great "Real Corso" that doesn't have papers. But those are also the same excuses the bait and switch people pull with random mutt