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Starting a Raw diet

My 3 year old mastiff Bane has just started his raw diet. Which he absolutely enjoys. But I do have a few questions and concerns. I have read that giving bones as a snack is a good thing but not as a diet. I went to my local butcher and found a great deal on meats .59-.99/lbs on ground beef and all bones are free. I gave him a good deal of meat last night and 1 cow rib. In the middle of the night he ended up getting sick because of the bones I had given him. Will this change over time or should I quit giving him the bones. I'm afraid that it will do more damage than good if I continue giving him the bones. Another question is hamburger meat a good base of the diet. The ground meat I get is pretty much a little bit of everything that is left over at the end of the day when they are done processing the cattle. I will be adding livers and organs in the diet.

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Bane chewing on his bone while at work.
 

Oak Hill Farm

Well-Known Member
You want to watch giving him weight bearing bones, like legs, but ribs should be fine.

Dogs sometimes vomit when new to raw due to the change in stomach acid needed to digest meat and bones. This will go away when he adjusts.

You will get differing opinions on ground meat. I follow prey model raw so prefer to feed whole chunks. One of the benefits of raw is the muscle development from ripping and tearing the food. This is my preference , and it's not the only way :) after all IMO any raw is better than kibble and bonus at a great price :)
 
So in time he should adjust and not get sick after eating rib bones and such? I would love to get shoulders and on bone foods, but I got 40lbs of ground for $30 yesterday. Can't really beat that price. Will the ground be a good base to the diet? I haven't read much on people having ground as a base diet.
 

johnkallis

New Member
Give him rib bones for a week at least. He should get used to it and if not stop giving him that because his stomach would not be accepting that. Bones is the only best option then.
 

allformyk9s

Well-Known Member
With starting him brand new to raw a lot of folks start off giving chicken first - beginning with chicken quarters & whole chickens (cut into appropriate wts). Easier on the stomach when first starting raw. I fed just chicken for a solid month before adding any new protein, then introduced pork slowly.

Im with OakHillFarm and personally do not feed ground meat. I too feed my dogs whole prey model diet. The tearing/ripping/gnawing the meat/bones is so good for them as well as for cleaning their teeth not to mention it is mentally stimulating to have to 'work' their meal. Though again I agree with Oak, ground meat is better than kibble but not ideal. If I get ground meat from family or via my craigslist ad I'll stuff a whole chicken with it freeze, thaw just enough where I can section it w/out it falling apart & feed as a special treat.

As for bones as treats, I dont give them to my dogs but like said above if you want too you want to avoid wt bearing bones of large animals. My dogs will get a pork shoulder bones w/ a meals worth of meat on it once a week as part of their bone, they LOVE them! I personally do not feed ribs as theres not alot of meat on them & they are super expensive around here - if I were to get them for free I might think differently, hahahaha!

If Bane is new to raw I would hold off on introducing liver right now & stick to one protein for a couple of weeks (even suggest to go to chicken for now) until his system has a chance to adjust & then introduce new things 1 at a time & slowly. My guys are about 2 months into raw & Ive not introduced organ as of yet, they do get whatever organ is still attached to the chicken quarters BUT liver or kidney on its own, not yet.

Also you want to remember, over time, that his diet needs to be 80% meat, 10% and 10% organ (5% coming from liver & the remainder 5% other organs such as kidney/pancreas) Organs are any secreting organs. Tongue/heart are 'meat'. And you want to feed 2-3% of his ideal body wt. Again this is all an average, not to make yourself crazy to get it exactly right every day or even every week but over time.

Yay for Bane, he looks quite happy there w/ his bone!!!

If you have any questions, dont hesitate to ask there are lots of us here to help :)


PS, where you get the ground meat ... you should ask them & see if after processing the cows if they could leave the "scraps" whole for you instead of grinding it all up.......that would really make Bane a happy boy :)

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Also call around & find a good butcher. I get a 40 lb case of chicken quarters for $24.00. And pork shoulder for $1.19/lb. You might find somewhere to get more whole meat for less the $ as the ground. Some other tips are to check the grocery stores after holidays/holiday weekends etc....Ive found its a fun challenge to see where I can get meat for the cheapest :lol:
 

allformyk9s

Well-Known Member
Also call around & find a good butcher. I get a 40 lb case of chicken quarters for $24.00. And pork shoulder for $1.19/lb. You might find somewhere to get more whole meat for less the $ as the ground. Some other tips are to check the grocery stores after holidays/holiday weekends etc....Ive found its a fun challenge to see where I can get meat for the cheapest :lol:
 

musicdeb

Well-Known Member
Tim, welcome to the raw diet. Titan has been on raw diet for about a month. Best decision I've ever made regarding food for Titan. Check out this message board which has a wealth of info re: raw diet. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/

Good luck!

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I forgot to mention that I gave Titan chicken livers the first week on raw diet and he vomited and explosive diarrhea. Being a newbie to raw, I didn't know to wait on the organ meats until about a month. Chicken bones helped with the diarrhea. He eats chicken leg quarters and chicken hearts. He loves the hearts and now walks away from chicken livers but loves beef livers.
 

musicdeb

Well-Known Member
I forgot to mention that I gave Titan chicken livers the first week on raw diet and he vomited and explosive diarrhea. Being a newbie to raw, I didn't know to wait on the organ meats until about a month. Chicken bones helped with the diarrhea. He eats chicken leg quarters and chicken hearts. He loves the hearts and now walks away from chicken livers but loves beef livers.
 
Thank you all for the heads up on the organs. Looks like I'll making hamburgers for dinner for a while :p. I like the idea of freezing the ground and using it as treats. Maybe I'll make little meatballs and play hide and seek with Bane. I'm sure he'll enjoy it. I just went and picked up 40lbs of chicken quarters for $35.99. I'll be keeping an eye out for better bargains. Thank you again guys :D
 

allformyk9s

Well-Known Member
Thank you all for the heads up on the organs. Looks like I'll making hamburgers for dinner for a while :p. I like the idea of freezing the ground and using it as treats. Maybe I'll make little meatballs and play hide and seek with Bane. I'm sure he'll enjoy it. I just went and picked up 40lbs of chicken quarters for $35.99. I'll be keeping an eye out for better bargains. Thank you again guys :D

I hope you like hamburgers.... a lot :lol:

Yay for chicken quarters, Bane will be a happy boy! I called around a lot of places before finding the place with the chicken quarters so cheap.


Tim, I bake beef livers and use those to train Titan. He loves them!

Great idea, I have a beef kidney in the freezer & been trying to think how in the world to prepare or give to them .... I think I'll give baking it a try & see what they think.
 

wolfsnaps

Active Member
Chicken is best in the beginning. Chicken backs and chicken quarters. Give only chicken for a couple of weeks or so before adding new proteins. Go slow with organs. Excreting organs (kidneys, liver, spleen) can be rotated if you can find them.

No weight bearing bones. Not even for fun. Dogs can easily break a tooth with these. Ribs are ok. My dogs get most of their bones from the chicken.

The rule of thumb is 2-3% of the dogs ideal weight. When first starting, I would advise you stay on the conservative side of this number until your dog's system knows what to do with it. If you feed him too much, he could throw up or have horrible diarrhea. Give bone with every meal for now until you are certain you can do a boneless meal. I learned the hard way that my small dog can NOT have boneless meals. He gets the black sticky diarrhea and it is no fun to clean out of a carpet at 2 in the morning.

I feed my guys ground meats but it is only on occasion and not a staple. Right now staples in my freezer are chicken (backs, whole, quarters) and beef heart. Everything else is bonus. I plan to give them fish soon. For now, they get fish oil.
 

aphayes96

Well-Known Member
I know a raw diet is the best option for dogs from many sources. I have a question that may be ridiculous but how do you avoid getting the raw meat germs on everything? Carpet, floors, etc. I have always been interested in the raw diet but I have small children and just thinking about raw chicken being all over my couch/carpet from Grady's paws is baffling to me? Is it not a concern? Just curious. Thanks!
 

Smart_Family

Dog Food Guru
Most people I know feed raw either outside, in the dogs crates or on tile/hardwood floors so it's easy to clean up/disinfect.
 

Oak Hill Farm

Well-Known Member
My dogs eat on mats or towels we wash and puck up after they are done. I also let them eat out as much as possible especially whole meals like an entire rabbit or chicken or a head.

Prepare and store it in containers feed on the towel, pick up towel and clean dishes like you normally would. The dogs will clean themselves up. It's really a very small chance of contamination.
 

BlackShadowCaneCorso

Super Moderator
Staff member
We feed in the crates so they are easier to scrub but also so it is safer for the kids when the dogs generally like to drag their food all over the place. Plus we have one female that would take all the food and not think twice about it :p her nick name is heifer!
 

allformyk9s

Well-Known Member
2 eat outside, 2 in crates & 2 eat on rubber, floor mat things - at first they tried to carry their food elsewhere, Id just go pick it up & put it back on the mat, they learned very quickly that THATS where it was ok to eat.
 

wolfsnaps

Active Member
My two large dogs (mastiff and lab) eat outside. They do not mind the cold. My small haired breed eats inside on cold days on the kitchen tile (which I monitor) and it is easy to clean up. Food prep the same way you would with your own raw meats for dinner. I use a wooden cutting board and after they eat I soap down the cutting board, scale, and counter and throw their bowls in the dishwasher. I use bowls to properly portion out everything so I know each dog is getting their correct meal portion. Some people do not weigh stuff but I do. Two of my dogs need to lose weight and I am not good at eye balling stuff. I use either dish soap or lysol to clean germy places but I know many people use a vinegar/water solution.

Basically, whatever works for you. You will find a certain system that works and then it all becomes routine.
 

angelbears

Well-Known Member
aphayes96, if your family is generally healthy, then you should have very little concerns. One of the deciding factors for us and going raw was when I ended up with a bag of dog food that was recalled, at the point I realized that handling bagged food is just as dangerous as handling raw, if not more so. Most of us feed USDA inspected meat, I don't think kibble has to go through as rigorous an inspection.
 

aphayes96

Well-Known Member
Thanks for all the info! It helps to have an understanding of how it works from those who have hands on knowledge!