talking about other dog owners and drama! yesterday's incident

[gilles]

was taking Kazimir for a walk as usual . and here comes another man walking a hunting dog . so i shouted as usual before he gets close to please step aside o the other side of the road just so we can pass. Kazimir is fine with other dogs if they do not provoke him but he might want to play with the other dog and just hurt him with his weight...so the man sort of ignored me and kept coming . as he got closer Kazi tried to run to the other dog wagging his tail. the man panicked then i got stressed trying to hold Kazi who is now pulling ...i guess kazimir got the signal that this dog is a threat... i could not stop him. he reached to the other dog who now growled. Kazimir grabbed him by the back ..the other dog started screaming and totally submitted . i yelled at Kazi ordered him to let go...he did. it was a quick grab so i thought the dog was fine. i took Kazi back home and drove to look for the other dog to see if he is ok. i found him.. the owner did not care much at all and he said that the dog was ok. i checked him ( very skinny and malnourished) he had 3 punctures and a 1.5 inches deep open cut!..i insisted on taking the dog to my house to take care of him. i could not find my stapling tool. so i cleaned his wounds and went to the vet who stapled the wound and prescribed antibiotics. the owner thanked me but still was not really concerned about his poor dog.

 

[PippatheMastiff]

Wow! Excitement for sure! I live in rural community and we treat mostly large animals (beef & dairy cows). Many farmers who have dogs treat them like what they are, a work animal, hunting dogs, cattle dogs. Few have pets that live in the house. Some don't worry much when they're injured or sick. That bothers me. You are so kind to have taken care of his dog!!


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[Hiraeth]

It was nice of you to take care of the other person's dog, even if that person wasn't overly concerned about the welfare of their own animal.

I have to wonder how safe it is for you to be walking Kazimir somewhere you'll run into dogs when he's clearly easily provoked and has now seriously injured another animal. That's not normal behavior - that's dog aggression.

 

[gilles]

Wow! Excitement for sure! I live in rural community and we treat mostly large animals (beef & dairy cows). Many farmers who have dogs treat them like what they are, a work animal, hunting dogs, cattle dogs. Few have pets that live in the house. Some don't worry much when they're injured or sick. That bothers me. You are so kind to have taken care of his dog!!


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thank you yes the guy was not even concerned ..his dog lived in very poor conditions . i felt bad about the poor thing so i did my best. i think Kazimir attacked because i was stressed and he interpreted my stress as i am in some danger or a threat. form the second i saw the guy i just had a bad feeling about it...

 

[PippatheMastiff]

Yup. That's probably exactly what he picked up. And it's very hard to control that stress in situations like this. It doesn't take much, they pick up on it. I have a bit of an anxiety issue at times. I'm such a calm and laid back person and the anxiety can just come out of nowhere! It's crazy. When I first begin feeling twinges of it, Pippa knows before I do! She gets closer to me, looks in my face a lot, tries to make full body contact. And oftentimes these actions from her stops the attack in its tracks. All that to say it doesn't take much - they are so intune with us!


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[Wilsy]

It's very kind of you to have taken care of the other guys dog, especially when he wasn't particularly bothered. Sometimes incidents happen and at the time its hard not to panic or get stressed. Wilson was unfortunately attacked twice in a matter of weeks, both occasions were while he was on his lead and the other dogs (off lead) for whatever reason took a dislike to him. After that I became very anxious walking Wilson on his lead because I was scared that he was going to get attacked again and at the same time I noticed that Wilson was becoming reactive on his lead if another dog tried to approach him. Once I figured out that the two things were connected I realised that I needed to work on my behaviour as well as Wilson's!

 

[DennasMom]

Wow. "he's fine" = needs staples. That's crazy.

Although... Denna did get a cut on a walk (from a thorny berry bush??) - that we let heal without stitches. It was about 1.5in long, and cut all the skin but no muscle. The vet said she could go either way, so she let me decide... (1) leave it open, no antibiotics needed, or (2) stitch it and add antibiotics, just in case something got sealed inside. We opted for (1), and it worked out fine. The scar is barely noticeable anymore.

So... maybe he was comfortable just taping it up once they got home? But based on your description of skinny/malnourished... who knows.

 

[gilles]

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Wow. "he's fine" = needs staples. That's crazy.

Although... Denna did get a cut on a walk (from a thorny berry bush??) - that we let heal without stitches. It was about 1.5in long, and cut all the skin but no muscle. The vet said she could go either way, so she let me decide... (1) leave it open, no antibiotics needed, or (2) stitch it and add antibiotics, just in case something got sealed inside. We opted for (1), and it worked out fine. The scar is barely noticeable anymore.

So... maybe he was comfortable just taping it up once they got home? But based on your description of skinny/malnourished... who knows.

the cut was pretty open it needed staples , he could have made it without but the scar would have been pretty bad on a white dog with very short coat.

 

[Elana P]

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the cut was pretty open it needed staples , he could have made it without but the scar would have been pretty bad on a white dog with very short coat.

 

[Elana P]

With Kazik getting to this age (18/19 months), you may see more of this type of behavior. I imagine he will not take kindly to any challanges from any male dogs, which may present a problem for you when out walking with him.

As to this other fellow...
What can I say?
An idiot, to put his dog in this situation.
He might have wanted to see if his dog was tough enough (it wouldn't surprise me one little bit). Then coming to the conclusion that his dog wasn't, he couldn't care less about him.

With puncture wounds, and a deep cut, the poor animal would have probably ended up with an infection, and may have died without medical intervention.

 

[gilles]

With Kazik getting to this age (18/19 months), you may see more of this type of behavior. I imagine he will not take kindly to any challanges from any male dogs, which may present a problem for you when out walking with him.

As to this other fellow...
What can I say?
An idiot, to put his dog in this situation.
He might have wanted to see if his dog was tough enough (it wouldn't surprise me one little bit). Then coming to the conclusion that his dog wasn't, he couldn't care less about him.

With puncture wounds, and a deep cut, the poor animal would have probably ended up with an infection, and may have died without medical intervention.

yes who knows the wounds could have been infected .. i checked on him today he was fine hopefully the owner is giving him his antibiotics. as you said this behavior is somewhat new with Kazi and lots of people with an attitude problem walk their dogs here..notably a guy with a very mean rottweiler mix that challenged Kazi one time through the fence and Kazi just responded by peeing on the fence... but i dont think he will resolve the issue by peeing if they had a close encounter... i try to avoid his path as much as i can ...i dont want the other dog to end up paying the price because of his owner's stupidity

 

[Elana P]

yes who knows the wounds could have been infected .. i checked on him today he was fine hopefully the owner is giving him his antibiotics. as you said this behavior is somewhat new with Kazi and lots of people with an attitude problem walk their dogs here..notably a guy with a very mean rottweiler mix that challenged Kazi one time through the fence and Kazi just responded by peeing on the fence... but i dont think he will resolve the issue by peeing if they had a close encounter... i try to avoid his path as much as i can ...i dont want the other dog to end up paying the price because of his owner's stupidity

There are nutty people all over the world, lol.

You get them here too, the guys with the Rotties, and the Pitties, swaggering around with their dogs. I always figure that these boys have an issue with lack of self esteem, and that they try to make up for it by having a mean looking dog.

If I don't have my dogs with me, I will usually stop and admire their dog. You should see their chests swell up with pride (the guys, not the dogs), just as if I was complimenting them, not their pups.

I feel sorry for these dogs, because they are usually just a status symbol, not really a loved companion. In most situations, these are the dogs that end up in the dog pound, and because they haven't been properly trained or socialized, they are not really adoptable material.

 

[PippatheMastiff]

There are nutty people all over the world, lol.

You get them here too, the guys with the Rotties, and the Pitties, swaggering around with their dogs. I always figure that these boys have an issue with lack of self esteem, and that they try to make up for it by having a mean looking dog.

If I don't have my dogs with me, I will usually stop and admire their dog. You should see their chests swell up with pride (the guys, not the dogs), just as if I was complimenting them, not their pups.

I feel sorry for these dogs, because they are usually just a status symbol, not really a loved companion. In most situations, these are the dogs that end up in the dog pound, and because they haven't been properly trained or socialized, they are not really adoptable material.

Oh my yes I see this so much working at vet. They can never pay, can't hardly feed their kids (on food stamps) but they've got a big mean pit bull!! Makes me so sad. They're not properly trained, not socialized, and they bite people, so the tough guy brings the dog in on a bite order. Poor dog is beaten, they admit that they beat him "but it doesn't help, he still bites ", they say. Not all are like this, but I live in a town of 800 people, and I know at least 6 situations like this. [emoji20]


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[kingmark]

was taking Kazimir for a walk as usual . and here comes another man walking a hunting dog . so i shouted as usual before he gets close to please step aside o the other side of the road just so we can pass. Kazimir is fine with other dogs if they do not provoke him but he might want to play with the other dog and just hurt him with his weight...so the man sort of ignored me and kept coming . as he got closer Kazi tried to run to the other dog wagging his tail. the man panicked then i got stressed trying to hold Kazi who is now pulling ...i guess kazimir got the signal that this dog is a threat... i could not stop him. he reached to the other dog who now growled. Kazimir grabbed him by the back ..the other dog started screaming and totally submitted . i yelled at Kazi ordered him to let go...he did. it was a quick grab so i thought the dog was fine. i took Kazi back home and drove to look for the other dog to see if he is ok. i found him.. the owner did not care much at all and he said that the dog was ok. i checked him ( very skinny and malnourished) he had 3 punctures and a 1.5 inches deep open cut!..i insisted on taking the dog to my house to take care of him. i could not find my stapling tool. so i cleaned his wounds and went to the vet who stapled the wound and prescribed antibiotics. the owner thanked me but still was not really concerned about his poor dog.

Sorry but i have to say my opinion that i only see your fault in this story, as you have such powerful dog you should and must control him in any situation.

 

[gilles]

Sorry but i have to say my opinion that i only see your fault in this story, as you have such powerful dog you should and must control him in any situation.

i take my dogs for a daily walk and avoid any kind of bad situations, but the guy showed up and i asked him to please move away just in case. he did not answer... what happened happened... controlling a CAO that decided his master is in danger is a bit difficult even for experts (next time i will take one with me). my fault was that i got stressed and sent the wrong signal to Kazi. perhaps Kazi did not even want to hurt the poor dog , Cao skin is impenetrable and such a grab would not even bothered a CAO ...the other dog had a thin skin. but anyway Kazi dropped him quickly under my order so i guess i did control the situation quite well. the sad part is that the other guy did not care less about his dog.

 

[CeeCee]

Good for you for going the extra mile to take care of his pup.

My boy can be reactive when he encounters really cocky or spastic dogs. A trainer friend of mine recommended that when we approach an unknown dog to move off to the side and then lure Zeek into a sit FACING ME and AWAY from the approaching dog (and of course give him treats and praise as the dog passes). Worked like a charm! Now, he sits and faces me without the treats, but I throw them in intermittently - just to keep him on his toes. Hee Hee Hee