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Who can pet my puppy?

LLJohnson10

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I've always been a fan of Leerburg's training, health, and nutritional advice, and many of the products he sells. His puppy DVD is probably the best out there. One of the things that he advocates is not letting strangers pet your puppy. Just about all other trainers i've been around disagree with this policy, but i'm starting to see its merits based on the behavior of my puppy.

Everytime we pass someone when out on a short walk, or I take him to Petsmart, he wants to go up to every stranger to be rubbed and petted. Many times he'll sit mid stride to try and accomplish this instead of walking like he should. I have no problem with him being petted or loved on by strangers, but I also don't want him trying to stop every time we pass someone.

Currently, i'm trying to decide if I want heed this advice and implement the "No pet policy," or if I should do something else to stop this unwanted behavior.


Here are a few exerpts from Leerburg's article if you're not familar with it.

"Reasons for Not Allowing People to Touch Your Dog
I advise people to not allow strangers to touch their dog. This has generated a lot of email questions so I decided to write this article to expand on the reasons and exceptions for this policy.To understand this you must first understand what I expect from a relationship with my dogs. I want a dog that sees me as the center of its universe. I want my dog to focus on me and I want it to ignore other humans (and animals).
I don’t want a dog to look at other people as “PETTING MACHINES or TREAT DISPENSERS.†In other words I don’t want my dog running up to every Tom, Dick, and Harry and expect to engage them. I want my dog to accept people as fixtures in the environment. I want my dog to be aloof to strangers at the same time I don’t want my dog to be suspicious or aggressive to strangers (unless I tell them to be that way).
We carry this concept into our home where we have several dogs that are trained by a different family member.
We expect our personal dogs to completely accept other members of the family as pack members."


Train Your Dog to Ignore Strangers
If I have a puppy or a dog that is leery of people I train the dog that every time it gets into a situation that makes it nervous I feed it very high value food treats. In dog training terms I "engage the dog." This means I connect both mentally and physically with the dog by making myself more interesting than the environmental things that make the dog uncomfortable. The training for this is covered in detail in the first 45 minutes of my DVD titled THE POWER OF TRAINING DOGS WITH FOOD.

The basic concept is that every time I see my puppy or dog act a little nervous I redirect the puppy back to my using an excited tone of voice and I jackpot rewards until I se the dog is totally focused in on me.
Pretty soon the dog will see something that makes his a little uncomfortable and he will look to me for a high value food treat.
Anyone with a dog can practice this work when they are on a walk. If you see another dog coming on a walk with his owner, or a person on a bike coming, or even someone who is out for a walk - you simply stop and engage your dog and start to reward with high value treats. It doesn't take long for the dog to learn that his owner is a lot more interesting than strangers.

When we walk our puppies and people try and pet our dogs we politely but firmly ask them not to touch our dog. If questioned, we simply tell them the dog is being trained as a service dog.

As long as you are not trying to disguise a dog as a service dog and take it places normal pets don't belong, there is nothing wrong with this.
A year ago I had a number of aggressive threatening emails from a disabled attorney who had a dog. She disagreed with this concept. She thought I was breaking the law when I told people this was a service dog in training.

 

ruthcatrin

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My personal policy is somewhere in between. Nobody pets my dog without my express permission. And I've read the riot act to some people who don't ask. And Apollo seems to understand it. If I stop to talk to someone he'll sit and be polite, if I don't stop to talk he doesn't even seem to notice them, except for his standard watch everyone.
 

ruthcatrin

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Oh and I have no problem with a "dog in training" vest or leash. I recommend avoiding the ones that specify "service dog in training" as I can't stand the people who lie about their dog being a service dog and I won't give that any additional push. But "dog in training" is still quite usefull at keep strangers away in many situations.
 

Th0r

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In his DVD he mentions that to socialize a puppy, the puppy has to see strangers as a treat machine.
So is this not letting strangers touch your dog beyond puppy training now?

Sent from my Nexus 5
 

Hector

Well-Known Member
Since you are already having the problem of your puppy being more interested in other people than you (the owner) and the walk, then you need to nip this in the rear right now. Just think of it like this: you can't even focus/engage a puppy, how do you think you will focus/engage a 150 lb dog?

Just my personal preference, no one pets my puppy/dog. I don't need to deal with a lawsuit.
 

DennasMom

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I can see both sides of this one... which doesn't help. :\

I'd say for a puppy < 5 months, making strangers positive things like treat dispensers is great.
After that, it would be up to your long-term goals for your dog.

But, if the puppy is more interested in going after strangers for treats than listening to you, I agree... time to shake things up and start a new habit.

You can transition your dog into providing a "sit & wait" prior to going to "say hi" to strangers. I.e. like Ruth's Apollo, the dog should wait until given the OK from the handler to greet strangers.

We have a similar problem with treats on the ground... our last dog we started training as if he would go into therapy work, so he was taught to NEVER pick up treats from the ground. He had to catch them in the air (i.e. during a game) or, leave them where they sat. This was so he wouldn't ever think pills dropped on the ground in, say a retirement home, were potential 'treats'.

When training Denna in group class - with all positive/no-correction methods - one of the methods to get the dog's attention away from something they shouldn't be focusing on (i.e. another dog in the room) - was to drop treats on the ground and say "find it". To this day, if I say "find it", Denna will drop whatever she's doing and go sniffing all over the ground looking for the treat I dropped. I'll just have to remember to never use that if we're visiting Grandma at her home! :)

Denna still loves ALL strangers, though. She is cautious with a few, but to date has never though bad of anyone. We also practice the "sit & wait" when out, though, to curb her desire to go meet everyone.
 

LLJohnson10

Well-Known Member
In his DVD he mentions that to socialize a puppy, the puppy has to see strangers as a treat machine.
So is this not letting strangers touch your dog beyond puppy training now?

Sent from my Nexus 5

He does say that in his older DVD, on his newer "Your Puppy 8 weeks to 8 months," he talks about his change in philosophy. I have both copies, if you bought older version, they will let you have access to the newer version via video on demand.
 

LLJohnson10

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But, if the puppy is more interested in going after strangers for treats than listening to you, I agree... time to shake things up and start a new habit.

You can transition your dog into providing a "sit & wait" prior to going to "say hi" to strangers. I.e. like Ruth's Apollo, the dog should wait until given the OK from the handler to greet strangers.

The sit and wait seems to be the problem, he knows that he can't get any attention if he doesn't sit patiently, so when strangers are passing by, he'll stop and sit. I would like him to keep moving and ignore the strangers. I worked on it some today at the mall. He did a little better, but still has the desire for attention from strangers.

I guess i'm going to have to start telling people to back away from my puppy. I just don't like coming off as a prick.
 

Th0r

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He does say that in his older DVD, on his newer "Your Puppy 8 weeks to 8 months," he talks about his change in philosophy. I have both copies, if you bought older version, they will let you have access to the newer version via video on demand.

I really think it's a matter of preference. It's fine if you want your dog to be reserved and just tolerant of strangers. But that's not really an option if you live in the suburbs with neighbours and kids all around or in the city. I rather my dog be friendly to everyone when he is out as long as he isn't tugging at the leash.

Sent from my Nexus 5
 

Hector

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The sit and wait seems to be the problem, he knows that he can't get any attention if he doesn't sit patiently, so when strangers are passing by, he'll stop and sit. I would like him to keep moving and ignore the strangers. I worked on it some today at the mall. He did a little better, but still has the desire for attention from strangers.

I guess i'm going to have to start telling people to back away from my puppy. I just don't like coming off as a prick.

I guess it's personal preference as stated above. There are quite a bit of threads lately where people have people-friendly dogs and all of a sudden not like strangers anymore.
 

Tosa

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Wow i like this article! My dog is extreme the opposite - she is very afraid and just wants to get away! But the strategy of working on ''ignore them behaviour'' and ''don't be afraid'' pretty much look the same to me...