ruthcatrin
Well-Known Member
Oh I know, but it wouldn't get bred in nearly as much if the judges didn't pick it....
No one has explained away soft temperament, it is a society question I have. Take these so called hard dogs and raise them in todays society and see what happens. In my breed there are a lot of myths and stories of unicorns. Unstable is more often termed hard then actual hard dogs. Not saying that they don't/didn't exist, just saying that if one watches the older videos taken at events at the creation of the breed there is a lot of dogs with wagging tails and more of others with sketchy behavior. I agree, all sorts of types and sizes, depending on the use/need of the farmer/owner. I also agree that these are breeds that should not be flashy in the ring, and quite often the judges will pick the flashiest dog of the group regardless of structure or type. That is if the judge has even read the standard.... Why is it ok to explain away soft temp as the dogs back then were not social, but the look of a dog is so important? 75% of the breeds are no where near what they were temp wise for exactly this thinking.... And the rest of them a plagued with show ponies. And even inside the groups that claim they are all about saving, there all about politics and looks
I agree they need to look like what they are. If shown a pic of what would be considered a good cc, they should then be able to pick a cc, even a bad one, out of a crowd. I'm just saying the numbers dont matter to me. I will never use an angle finder to see if Kona is inside of what ever numbers one believes.
First I would like to say that I don't think anyone looks down on anyone as far as dogs are concerned. In the end these are our companions, that is the most important thing the bottom line. Yes, some Ch have snapped/bitten judges in the ring in the past and I am sure will happen again in the future. As for breeding the dogs that have/would do that, well there are some that would applaud that, some that will bash it and a whole bunch in between. There are some that say that is true temperament and some that say it is bad temperament, depending on the politics behind the dog, or rather it's breeder. Some say that a CC that can perform therapy work is not a real CC, yet the same people will applaud another breeder for breeding dogs to do therapy work. Lol, the dog world is rife with hypocrisy, rumors and gossip. I find it best to take what is said with a grain of salt unless I have witnessed it and have the whole story.Now that I have made friends and joined forums, etc, it didn't take long to hear about certain dogs that bite in the ring and still go one to become champions. There is so much drama surrounding breeding, etc in this breed. I am sure it exists in other breeds as well. It does get tiring to have people up on their pedestal looking down on those of us with sub perfect dogs, especially because I think a dog's temperment can go a long way in advocating for the breed. How does having a dog with a bad temperment (and breeding said dogs) help the breed?
I dont thin a cc doing therapy is bad unless it dont fit the true temp of the breed. A fila doing therapy work would likely considered bad. I dont what a cc should be. So I can not speak to that. If a fila bites a judge it sure cant be held against the dog. Nor any other breed who has protective drive. Unless it's a nerve or fear issue. I dont think the two are all that close to not tell the difference. Some dogs are just hard. And many would argue alot of breeds should have alot more hard dogs in the gene pool
First I would like to say that I don't think anyone looks down on anyone as far as dogs are concerned. In the end these are our companions, that is the most important thing the bottom line. Yes, some Ch have snapped/bitten judges in the ring in the past and I am sure will happen again in the future. As for breeding the dogs that have/would do that, well there are some that would applaud that, some that will bash it and a whole bunch in between. There are some that say that is true temperament and some that say it is bad temperament, depending on the politics behind the dog, or rather it's breeder. Some say that a CC that can perform therapy work is not a real CC, yet the same people will applaud another breeder for breeding dogs to do therapy work. Lol, the dog world is rife with hypocrisy, rumors and gossip. I find it best to take what is said with a grain of salt unless I have witnessed it and have the whole story.
First I would like to say that I don't think anyone looks down on anyone as far as dogs are concerned. In the end these are our companions, that is the most important thing the bottom line. Yes, some Ch have snapped/bitten judges in the ring in the past and I am sure will happen again in the future. As for breeding the dogs that have/would do that, well there are some that would applaud that, some that will bash it and a whole bunch in between. There are some that say that is true temperament and some that say it is bad temperament, depending on the politics behind the dog, or rather it's breeder. Some say that a CC that can perform therapy work is not a real CC, yet the same people will applaud another breeder for breeding dogs to do therapy work. Lol, the dog world is rife with hypocrisy, rumors and gossip. I find it best to take what is said with a grain of salt unless I have witnessed it and have the whole story.
With protective breeds I think the aspect most often over looked is the whole protective thing. It has become an after thought. I think the list is much longer on the "wont protect" side then the "will" side. Also long on the friendly side verse not. As long as it fit's into the temp of the breed, friendly is not an issue at all. Nor is aloof. If it fits the temp of the breed it dont matter one bit. But again, with the list long in those aspects that aint my concern temp wise. My concern is the whole protective side. To me it is over looked in lue of other aspects and imo no other aspect is as important to a breed that should, by definition, protect.
No I dont want that to happen. Unless it's in the out lined temp to potentially bite. Then if it happens, it's not fault of the dog. It does not matter one bit if the world needs harder temp breeds. If a breed is harder then society needs the breed goes extinct. To intentionally soften a temp to fit your world is to create a whole new breed. Like alot of neo's and em of today. They are not true to what they were, thus they are something else. If a breed was designed to protect or guard or herd or sleep and it does everything well but the job of it's intent, I dont care how well it looks it is a piss poor example.