BoerBoel/Cane Corso

[Prime]

An hey, why isint my paragraphs spacing out?

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

I can't imagine that any reputable breeder of either of those breeds are going to sell you dogs for you to cross breed. Breeders put not just money but research, health testing, titling their dogs, and continued learning into their breed, and just as much heartbreak. There is a lot of blood, sweat and tears involved, not just throwing 2 dogs together and thinking you are going to get the best of both of them. Are you planning on keeping all these mutts you are planning to breed? How are you going to go about finding them qualified homes to deal with either of those breeds? Are the rest of the puppies going to be spay/neutered or do you think it will be the right of whomever gets them to keep breeding if they want?

You say you work at a shelter and yet you do not have any trouble with the concept of making more mutts, I find this VERY HARD to believe? You think dogs should be just set to run free if they can't be adopted in a preservation area? You don't think that a few 100 years of evolving can't be erased in an instant once you set them free? I suspect the more likely case would be they would become food for the wild animals, other dogs or escape from the preservation area and get hit or hurt in some other way.

None of us think these breeds are trouble making breeds, just the opposite we have a love and passion for our breeds that you quite simply do not understand! We have enough harm being done to the breeds by people that "think they are breeders" just throwing 2 dogs together. Have a look at the number of those breeds in shelters and rescues.

You are right dogs are what you shape them into but neither of these breeds are like APBT and you will quickly find that out. Presa's also tend to be more dog aggressive than some breeds. There are a lot of things about the breeds that you are considering that are not just hype.You would do well to do more research into the breeds you like before sprouting stuff that you do not know to be true. Do you have any experience with either of these breeds?

"Breeder's jobs are to get better quality attribute's out of what ever dog an title they want. I simply am going to take that route, why? just because thats what I want. Why do people get anything? Because they just like what they like"

You are right breeders are trying to get he best attribute from a pairing but this is after careful consideration for what each can bring as far as strengths and weakness and knowing that not all puppies in the litter are going to have the best of both. The rest of this quote screams to be 2 year old throwing a tantrum because they want something and they think they should get it, and sorry that isn't a good enough reason for me. I sincerely hope that anyone breeding these breeds refuses to sell to you but I suspect that you will just head to a BYB then and buy what they have and breed them anyway.

 

[Ghostsword]

Hi Prime, welcome to the forum.

It is oddly that you are replying with such aggressiveness to a post that was just trying to help.

Dogs are dogs, and they will get mixed, killed, maimed and some turn out amazing breeds, others just turn out like dogs.

To get a good breed there is a lot of work involved, and it is more than just put the two dogs together and hope for the best, which is what you will get by just putting two breeds together. You say that you want the mix of the two dogs. What would you do with the parents when you got the mix done? What would you do with the puppies? Are you keeping them all?


Obviously you can do what you want, they are your dogs, but why not get the dogs that you want from puppy?

For example I like Boerboels, but I see them as lazy. I like Ridgebacks but I see them as too light. So theory would say that I could get a Boerbel and Ridgeback and mix them, but what would I then do with the parents? Don't like them that much. So what I could do instead is to get a puppy that is already mixed, there are often those around.

Also, Presa's, great dogs, but dog aggression is an issue with them, and that put's me off big time.

The Cane Corso is a great dog also, so why mix it with a Presa?

To get a new breed going one would need a large amount of dogs, everytime you mix two things you may not get what you want.. hell, even if you mix two Cane Corso you may not get what you want...

I am sure that you got a lot of experience with dogs, so I am sure that you will make the right decision.

 

[OdeMX]

Going back to OP, personally even thou I own a CC, since I live in a desert area I would love to get a BB. But here in Mexico that breed is incredible expensive! Even the rent of the stud is more expensive than a CC or Spanish mastiff (which I think would also do great here) puppy.

@Prime: at the end of the day, if you want to mix anything, it's your choice! There are quite a few people doing that for different reasons (check Olympic dogs kennel) with incredibly good results; but dude... Chillout!

Calling names to people behind a pc monitor... Idk, it's too "world of Warcraft" and wont get you anywhere, specially in these forums where Is common to only find kind and supportive comments.

Personally, if you had explained reasons, how you planned to achieve the mix, results and what not. I would be following that! But tbh at the 1st f&@k, and despectives names I stopped reading our wall of text and jumped to next comment. Chill, erase your post and start over.

 

[AKBull]

Quick reminder to all about that little agreement you all agreed to to get on this forum. Says things like though shall not call people names, be friendly to thy neighbor, etc. Disagreements are fine, you don't have to like someone or their opinions, but using foul language isn't acceptable. There are better ways to get your opinions across.
Keep it classy people.

 

[allformyk9s]

Oh? I think I struck a cord with alot of people on hear. First of all, I volenttered in hawaii waianae humane socioty an rescued my share of animal's, so dont think that I dont know that there are abandin dogs in shelter's, which I completely disagree with most policy's of putting them down after a certian amount of time elapse, of them being unwanted. To me that wouldent make to much sense, why not take them to land reserve's, mountian's an forest's, at-least it would give them a better chance of survival natrually, implementing most were not born under human roof's to begin with. Only a few hundred year's they have been highly domesticated, but they should be able an capable of fending for them selve's thats not cruel at all, a house to live in is ideal an has a warm feeling to it, but its just a human concept of confienment.I have been around dogs my entire life an have had performance dogs, so I'd like to stick around with a dog that will keep up with my high athletic-ness life style an match who I'am. But I agree that now day's having the "Breeda" more favor's keeping dog's pure breed's an knowing defects an bad breeding just for size, agression an other attribute's. But I defend the cross as well, for if no dog was ever crossed, then for thousands of year's task's an job's for dogs in farming, retrieving, messaging, protecting ect ect.. would have had extremly poor results an a farmer, worker, land owner, police ect.. would have had to have around 10 different breed's of dogs, with having each only limited to there signature job title. An I do not agree at the same time with org's like the Akc, who hasent even been around more than 150 years can class a dog pure breed, unless they have Dna data like how they tell humans ethnic back grounds threw blood test an swaving of salaiva an such, then they are just putting up only an educated guess.I have found a few people that have crossed them already many times before an are classed as breeder's, not just back yard hobo's that happen to have those two breed's an they were stuck. No, Breeder's jobs are to get better quality attribute's out of what ever dog an title they want. I simply am going to take that route, why? just because thats what I want. Why do people get anything? Because they just like what they like, just because you like the color green does'nt mean I have to, just becuase you want a car doesnt mean you have to buy a cheap one on craigslist... I figure these are the last dogs that I ever buy, than I my dis well get the best. Im not asking anyone to do anything that will put a garentee defect, deformity or bad temperment on a litter, again thats why I'm getting 2 from a "breeder".And anyways, it sounds like your thinking I'm trying to get a trouble maker dog, that can be a powerhouse hammer. XD No, I have own pitbull's, an know that its just more of a hype, they can do alot of damage on a nother dog or human but its more of the owner than the dog, if your an asshole than your dog would most likely be one too an if your a steady person that has good princables than your dog will eventually take after those trait's. They were the freindlyest dogs you would ever meet, reguardless of breed's, a good dog will be a good dog an a bad dog will be a bad dog, though there are breed's that need's an eye kept on them once an a while, but it will also determine what you put into the dog as well.

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An hey, why isint my paragraphs spacing out?

If in fact you worked at a Humane Society & saw how many dogs were KILLED b/c they didnt have homes why in the world would you A. get 2 dogs from a breeder and B. possibly ADD to the shelters already overwhelming load of unwanted puppies/dogs and C. take shelter pups/dogs homes away b/c your new "super puppies" get those homes and D. why not adopted from the shelter??

And quite frankly to pull dogs & dump out in the wilderness to "fend for themselves" IS CRUEL, its very cruel. Dogs have been dated to be domesticated as far back as 14,000 years ago. Todays dogs DEPEND on humans to provide their every day care....if your logic were true then why do so many dogs starve to death on streets all over the world?!? Personally, having had/run a dog rescue for 2 yrs, I would rather have a dog put down in a shelter then face the world to 'fend for itself' and die possibly a slow painful death from starvation, illness or injury. All of this aside, dogs are pack animals - they enjoy & thrive on being with their "pack", family, humans, to think dumping them somewhere in this sense is cruel as well.


"so I'd like to stick around with a dog that will keep up with my high athletic-ness life style an match who I'am." Get a boxer or another high energy dog then?


"I have found a few people that have crossed them already many times before an are classed as breeder's," then get your dog/pup from one of them?

"I simply am going to take that route, why? just because thats what I want " How very selfish. Why not think about the DOGS lives you are affecting and could be possibly affecting & not just what you want or what feels good right now.


I could go on & on - I think you are being incredible selfish & have zero business breeding dogs nor being around them judging by your line of thinking via the reply you have left here. I wish you no disrespect & wish you the best in whatever you chose, for the dogs sakes. And though I cant speak for others here but you will certain get zero support from me. I hope for the dogs sake, you reconsider & put them in front of your own wants b/c to me thats a true dog lover.

 

[Prime]

Hey Ghostsword. Yeah, I know Im sorry I went off like that, I dont know what happen, my bad. But I know these dogs temperments to a tee an of course you'll never know by reading it in a book how to handle an agrresive dog, you must have hand's on, to know what an out of control dog is. For there's somthing a little loose upstair's with me, for a few of my dogs bit me growing up, but I took it as if "Hey these are my brother's", I cant just abandin them because of that, so I took it as just them being upset at somthing, hell if you have brother's than you''d know, it wont alway's be pillow fighting you'll get a few blow's in here an there.____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________But I'am a little confuse'd in what the two of you are thinking, get rid of the parents? Im not getting adults the breeder's have it as there offering of the pup's. Yes, of course I'm going to get them as pup's, there wouldent ever be a complete bond an trust between them, for so Id be able to have them around my kid's, they would absolutley have to be pup's, so every ounce of our lifestyle of "Aloha" would be embedd'ed in them. For I'm not getting a busness or anything or looking into this cross of even anything beyound just having them for myself, I'm buying 2 pups from a breeder, who is comitted in upgrade's an improvement's of there geno an attribute's, for also having there own dogs as there own family's, not just some dog mill for money, but to have a genuine connection with there dog's for if I owned them from small, there's little to nothing that will ever have me to re-home or abandin them...shhhit I'd give my boys the last peice of chicken an starve to death before they do. That's why when I decided to get 2 more pups it was going to be my last, for it is indeed a hard thing to do, beside's just feeding them an showing them love an comfort so of course its a big deal, but I'am prone to having dogs a part of my life, so its just a walk in the park for me._____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________An I do know risk's in defect's, but I also know that good can come out of a cross, hunter's need'ed a certain dog threw out history to adapt in there fast pace of "A" list predator rival's, so they crossed what they felt was need'ed for that specific job title an requirments, unless they would have been sending a one way hunt slaughter of a 100 chiwawa's that still wouldent do the task of bringing down leopard's, hyena's bear's, tiger's an other "A" list predator's. It was almost an evolution thing to adapt to there life style. But again, I know both breed's to a tee, even like you said 2 of the same breed's can bring a bad apple or worse-in there attribute's. But I know of Boer boel's of today, are being alibied to have poor eye vision an is being more of just a show dog, an couch pataoe an is losing alot of his natrual hunting drive, to where a Presa canario, who is only second to the Dogo argintine in the hunting catagorie yet, the Presa excell's in everything else of that the Dogo lacks in. In return of that aiding recovering an improving the Boer boel's eye sight an hunting will, the Boer boel having the key temperment of being a calm dog, under tons of working strain an has nerve's of steel, in when is the right time to assert himself, can calm the agression of the forever hot tempered Presa canario's fighting drive. To make a more well balance of a true guardian porpose dog._____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________But yeah, Im not asking a breeder to go out of his way, I have found a few that has done litter's in the past an have the cross, of the same general Idea of making a more better well balanced dog an would you happen to know how to space out my paragraphs this line crap is killing me. But anyway's thanks dude and again I'm sorry for blowing up like that, an I'll catch you later's Aloha nui loa.

 

[Ghostsword]

ah ok dude, I thought that you were getting two dogs and then getting the pups from them.. If you got a breeder sorted out, then you are on the way to getting a great dog for sure.

I like mixed dog's myself, although only had FCI standard dogs, but there are some mixes that I would like. The Boerboel and Ridgeback is one of them, there are lots of those on the dog pounds. Saddly they would do great pets and also good for protection.

I also know that some of the great breeds started as muts, such as the Doberman, Dalmatian, and many more. Even the Akita (american) was a mutt not long ago, I still remember in the 90's the issue in getting the colours sorted out and accepted on FCI. Eventually they became two separate breeds.

Put some pictures up when you can, would be nice to see those puppies.

 

[Smart_Family]

Also just throwing this out there: most responsible breeders will not allow someone to take two puppies at once. Two puppies at once, especially litter mates can tend to bond to each other rather than the people in the household and at some point a battle for alpha will probably happen, regardless of the sex of the dogs. Also two puppies is a whole lot of work, and pretty much a 24/7 thing. They need training every day, separately for about 15 minutes at a time. Plus with house training, they need constant supervision. If ones peeing all over the house and the other sees it, they will probably start peeing all over the house as well.

 

[Cody]

I can honestly say I do not know of one REPUTABLE or RESPONSIBLE breeder who would consent to selling a quality dog for this purpose.
In fact with every breeder I know and respect there would be a serious monetary fine for doing such a thing, as it would breach the contract.
So, since you claim to do your research on the breeds, please tell me what lines you have chosen for the damn and sire and why?
What attributes does each line carry that you would like to pass on.
I am not talking generalities about the breed, but specific traits from lines based on what they have produced in the past.
If you are serious about your "research" and recreating a breed then one has to assume that you have done the research on the dogs.
Not all lines are equal based on the traits you are seeking out.
I know I could tell you what my preference in various CC lines are, based on what they throw as far as correct type, temperament, conformation and health are concerned. I study pedigrees, watch litters, meet as many dogs hands on to assess (based on my own preference for type), accumulating copies of historical documents and footage and have spent thousands if not tens of thousands of hours researching the Corso and talking to breeders around the world.
That to me is research, not googling the breed for general information.
So I am curious to hear your research, the lines and why you have chosen them, what they offer and how they would counter balance between the 2 breeds, again specific traits not general.

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@Prime: at the end of the day, if you want to mix anything, it's your choice! There are quite a few people doing that for different reasons (check Olympic dogs kennel) with incredibly good results;

I have to disagree with you there, is IMO a glorified puppymill out to make a buck.
There is nothing reputable about that breeder IMO, no health testing, no showing his "purebreds", no working titles. Just breeding to make a profit or trade...
They use the old mutts are healthier, which is false, as a sales tactic and attacking the breeders of purebred dogs.
All I see is rare breed puppy mill. And unfortunately people falling for the sales pitch...

 

[Cody]

@Prime: at the end of the day, if you want to mix anything, it's your choice! There are quite a few people doing that for different reasons (check Olympic dogs kennel) with incredibly good results;

I have to disagree with you there, is IMO a glorified puppymill out to make a buck.
There is nothing reputable about that breeder IMO, no health testing, no showing his "purebreds", no working titles. Just breeding to make a profit or trade...
They use the old mutts are healthier, which is false, as a sales tactic and attacking the breeders of purebred dogs.
All I see is rare breed puppy mill. And unfortunately people falling for the sales pitch...

 

[OdeMX]

I have to disagree with you there, is IMO a glorified puppymill out to make a buck.

Thank you, Good to know other ppl opinions!

IMO, Prime's comments and the avalanche of replies an opinions deserve a post of their own and this one should get back on OP.

 

[Prime]

lol, Ghost sword, that's exactly what I meant. Its kinda like rescuing them, yet I'm paying a whole lot of cash on them. But I do have a heart on abandin an house less dogs, but Ive been raised in Hawaii where we were taught how to live off the land, so thats why when I mentioned taking dogs into valley's or forest is not too cruel, because growing up I've seen stray dogs in our moantian's, survive there whole entire live's with out man intervention, so it would be better than just needle-ling the dog to sleep, just so you can justify yourself. But then again I can see where in the mainland, there's alot of modern type of city's having everything almost pure concrete, so they would have harder time's surviving, where there is little natrual resource's. Again to: @blackshadow cane corso, you missed my word's saying now day's they are "Highly" domisticated meaning less independent, not completely incapable of survivng on there own, to any good person teaches there dog's to be independent. Boer boel's not so much they are magnet's to there owner's which isint a bad thing, but kangals spoil'ed rotton or not, they are highly independent dogs.____________________________________________________________________________________To: Smart Family, again this site is just making me more an more confused, only one pup? That's the first time in my life I ever heard that before, actually it's quite the oposite of what you just said, they become more stronger in every qualitiy an trait physically an mentaly, keeping each opther occupied with every motive, I'm getting a blast in how much you people over exaggerate the simplest of growls to thinking re-homing already, when my first dog shredded the shit lode of people even in my family, then still with a simple scolding an pulling of the ear from his true master's my anty an uncle, as you do to a 9 year old throwing a tantrum, was all that was needed. Again he did his job, reguardless of my other cousins an uncle's that didint live in our house an came over uninvited, an got draged all over the place still dident diplict in what was right in the first place, they had no right or reason to come in un-invited. You have to think of them as your kid's not really kid's but you know what I mean, you must show them respect in order to get it._______________________________________________________________________________________But yeah, I dont think any dog can excell greater in what these two breed's are ment an can do. Sure, I could just get a rottweiler or doberman, but can a Rottie do what the boer boel has been doing for hundred's of year's for african local's? Hell no. there's a huge difference in protecting your live stock an family from a few junk yard burglar's, then from protecting them from hyena, babboons, leopard's an lion's. Which the Boer boel has many accounts, of single handedly killing hyena's an leopard's which is widely known in africa, who has a few local's with stuff dead hyena's an leopard's that there Boer boels has killed protecting there live stock an family.___________________________________________________________________________________Which a leopard is no joke for any dog or dog(s) they have killed boer boel's in the same fashion they kill any of there prey's but for a dog to not only ward off, but stand toe to toe with a animal that kills buffalo's is a accomplishment worth appreciating.But anyway's I have asked a few well respected breeder's like olympic dogs .net an Andrew said if I was in a hurry or couldent find anyone maybe we could work somthing out, he ofr me is what I call a well respected breeder, but other than a the few I found so far here's how the Pup's turned out for one litter....__________________________________________________________________________________ and please any body.. why doesent my paragrah's space out, when I leave a gap it joins together as one sentence, whats up with that???

 

[AKBull]

and please any body.. why doesent my paragrah's space out, when I leave a gap it joins together as one sentence, whats up with that???

Not sure what's going on there.
Test.


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Seems to work for me... Maybe put a period where you would want a space could be a work around?

 

[Smart_Family]

Please do your research then because it's true, in most cases a breeder who allows someone to take home two pups is more concerned about the money than the welfare of the dogs. I've done three puppies at once, one being a foster, one a pup from a family's accidental litter and one from a breeder. That breeder made sure I was capable of caring for more than one pup and we had many a discussion about the possibilities of them bonding to each other and of aggression once they wanted to make a move for alpha. You don't get two puppies to entertain each other, two kittens yes, but not two puppies. I work at an animal shelter and we would never adopt two puppies to one family.
http://www.doglistener.co.uk/choosing/siblings.shtml
http://unleashedunlimited.com/what-about-two-puppies-from-the-same-litter/
http://www.caninedevelopment.com/Sibling.htm

 

[Prime]

To: Cody, what? What are you implementing in saying, that someone need's a reason other than what I already gave to get a dog, that is already in exsistance? I alway's hear this crap, that people need to do there research on powerful dog's. Yes, you should know what your getting into, how is it possible to learn how to fire a gun, you must shoot it your self at some point, just the same as you saying why do you want to buy a gun, what the hell else for, for protection or to shoot someone. There's not to much difference in what you'd get a guardian dog to do, to protect somthing or someone you wish an also be a part of my family. Do I have to explain my entire life story to you? Is your family responsiible in making a breed or somthing? I dont think so.________________________________________________________________________________________What more can be said in getting dog's. Even not to long ago, country living people never asked what was the dogs temperment, what was the dogs hip score, or any other minor details, as if there going to buy somthing that is incapable of just walking around and acting like a dog. No, you know what they did they bought any old dog that fit the discription an tested them out. What would it matter to you anyway, in you bashing me in getting somthing that already exisist? I'm getting tired of this, I'm starting a new breed crap, when all I'm doing is wanting a dog that I admire an aqurie-ing somthing that was made from someone else, a repeating process that was done from over thousands an thousands of year's already and who I'm going to spoil rotten in him having a family an house to live under an teach him right from wrong an never abandin him like all the other coward's, who give up on there dogs they wanted in the first place, but were just to afraid of life it self. an please huh! 10 thousand hour's? What do you want a cookie? Ive known of both breed's my entire life and ive been digging into there rteal heritage for the past 5 year's, so dont kid your self in thinking you know more than me on the subject________________________________________________________________________________________

 

[OdeMX]

and please any body.. why doesent my paragrah's space out, when I leave a gap it joins together as one sentence, whats up with that???

Do you type in a word processor, notebook and then copy/paste? If yes, copy>paste each paragraph, if not idk!

 

[Smart_Family]

If people stopped buying these mixed breed dogs from breeders there would no longer breeders willing to breed them because there would be no money in it for them. Same goes for backyard breeders and puppy mills.

 

[Prime]

To: Smart family. Yeah, because every person on the planet only own's one dog. HUH! Get real! Just because some lame people dont know how to take care of there responsabilty, dosent mean that there was a law passed down beknownst to the entire world by some divine made up crap a person is only allowed to have a single dog XD XD XD I think I might be done with this site the bull crap is just becoming comidical

 

[Smart_Family]

It's not about having multiple dogs, it's about having two dogs from the same litter. It really doesn't sound like this forum is a good match for you. You know I really hope it all works out for you because it would seem that you aren't the kind of person that would take advice or ask for help if there was a problem.