Breeder question

[greycc]

Hey,

Just looking for a review on Allen's Virginia Boerboels. They have black boerboels,which is obviously a controversial subject here and many other breeders use their dogs so wanted to get opinions.

Allen's Virginia Boerboels -  Known to be the best family and guard dogs  All of our dogs are registered with NABBA. Some have additional registries with SABT, AKC-FSS, USBA and ARBA. Our pups will be birth announced through NABBA, pre-spoiled and vetted with tails docked.Member of NABBA # 20130015Member of the SABT # 107996

https://www.facebook.com/terry.allen.336

Thanks

 

[DMikeM]

For me, if they support the black dogs then I don't even bother looking at the rest of the kennel.

 

[enzo_canecorso]

Just curious, what is the controversy with black Boerboels? I think I heard that they didn't exist and I feel like I've been seeing more and more of them on instagram.

 

[DennasMom]

Found one explanation here: African Mastinos - Boersos - Black Boerboels

Seems that the black color had to be introduced from an outside source, which is where the "purity" question comes in.

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

According to some this is the same argument in the corso world. That black was never a true corso colour and was introduced so purity is questioned. At the moment though there is a huge craze in EU for black, generally it is the dominant colour over there, with others being rare.

 

[Cobalt]

Same controversy among Presa breeders re black dogs.

 

[DMikeM]

I know the daughter of one of the founders of the SABT he was one of the guys that went out and helped pick the dogs that would be used and represent the founding stock for the return of the Boerboel. She says her dad (Mr Lukas van der Merwe from Mispah) never saw a black Boerboel. He stated that the black dogs that were presented to the foundation were not Boerboels and did not qualify to become part of the breed. That was around 1983 then around 2004 someone magically started breeding black Boerboels and registered them as brindle Boerboels. These dogs were Pet Shop Jim. Muller Lady and Muller Poppy. The supporters of the black Boerboel erroneously quote Mr Lukas van der Merwe and say he said the black Boerboel was the most popular, but he daughter Carin York-Hart tells us her father Mr Lukas van der Merwe called the Ultra Brindle (reverse) or Dark Brindle Boerboels "Black Boerboels"

The Black BoerBoel is a Unicorn, if you find one please grab me a pot of gold from the Leprechauns at the end of the rainbow while you are there.

Here is the True Black Boerboel.

This is why they called them black. Sometimes it's just the light.

 

[PrinceLorde13]

According to some this is the same argument in the corso world. That black was never a true corso colour and was introduced so purity is questioned. At the moment though there is a huge craze in EU for black, generally it is the dominant colour over there, with others being rare.

Do you know of any specific reading on this? I've never heard even the slightest mention of this in my corso research. I've heard about the blue being a dilute of the black and bothers some, never heard that corsos originally had no black though. I'm pretty sure that when the breed was being revived the first selected sire was black (Dauno) and it was his offspring that were used to develop a breed standard. Is the belief of these people that red/fawn was the only original color? I just like learning anything about my dogs or their ancestry I can, however because of just how old the breed is and how off the grid they were as a breed for so long nearing the point of extinction only existing in rural farm communities throughout Italy it seems their roots will never be firmly defined

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

I think there was a debate on the old international forum, that the breed did not originally carry black in the genes and that the dogs that were "mixed" in during the recreation were what brought in the black gene. I wasn't there so can't say for sure what the case was. I don't honestly have a reference site it is just something that when you talk to some of the oldies in the breed you can hear them talk about the old debate on if CC were actually black at one point. There will never be anyone that truly knows what the corso was I don't think because as you said regions played a part in this breed, their uses, colours, etc. so everything is listened to so that I understand it all but since I wasn't around then it is all taken with a grain of salt as well.