Changing stool - confusing time!

[NeSaxena]

You most likely are aware but just FYI - If my dog has really soft stools I give him extra bones (chicken on the bone, if they are to dry/hard I give him a little liver.) works great for me.

Thank you!

Boone hasn't started on organs as yet. Next week onward is when I plan to introduce them. Currently, I'm playing around with the amount of bone itself. Hopefully, it'll get easier from next week.

Do you give Hank fish?

 

[Hank DDB]

Thank you!

Boone hasn't started on organs as yet. Next week onward is when I plan to introduce them. Currently, I'm playing around with the amount of bone itself. Hopefully, it'll get easier from next week.

Do you give Hank fish?

No I don't give him fish, but I do give him flax seed oil, but I'm going to change him over to salmon oil because I found out its more beneficial for dogs.
When u start on organs I would start on liver because every thing I've read says that liver is extremely good, one article even went as far to say, "if u only feed one organ feed liver". With liver Start him on approx one oz per day and monitor his stools for softness.

Oh and oil dose I use is 1ml per 10kg (1ml per 22lbs) of current body weight. Once a day

 

[ruthcatrin]

Yah, she needs to feed more than liver though, if she feeds ONLY liver for her organs she's risking overdose of some vitamins.

I'll look up the fish, only a couple names looked familier.

I don't see why you CAN'T feed fish eggs, you can also feed chicken eggs BTW (just don't feed the chicken eggs at the same time as you feed your organs later, I'll have to look up fish eggs to see if they're the same, but I don't think so). I know salmon, cod, mackeral, sardines, crab, and prawns are fine to give him.

Bone in is fine, when you say "thorns" do you mean exterior spines? I'd remove the spines and the fins, but otherwise whole or cut up as works for you and him.

I'd freeze the fish for a week minimum, and you may want to do two weeks, here in the US we have problems with some fish containing parasites, so probly better safe than sorry.

 

[ruthcatrin]

Still doing some searching, but:

Basa: At least here in the US, and also in the UK, the Basa availible on the market is a farmed fish, this means that generally (due to how these fish are fed) they don't contain signifigant amounts of extras that is the whole point in feeding fish. There's also been some concern about these farmed fish being contaiminated with heavy metals and environmental poisons (test results by various countries produce mixed results). If you can find out if these are wild caught or farmed then cool, if not then assume they're farmed, in which case its ok to feed it once or twice a week but I'd not do more often than that and I'd want other fish too.

Pomfret: Does not appear to be a farmed fish, and by all accounts is a good fish to eat/feed

Surmai: Does not appear to be a farmed fish, and by all accounts is good to eat/feed (there's a note that it may be expensive in your area?)

Bombay Duck: Stay away from dried fish as it may be salted, but fresh or canned should be fine (if canned checked the label for sodium #s)

Red Snapper should be fine as well

For the cod/salmon/mackeral/sardines: as long as they're not farmed they're great, if they're a farmed fish they contain less of the extras that is the whole point in feeding fish

I've got questions out on the list of fish in a couple places too, so we'll see if anyone else has any additional information I'm missing when I did my quick search

 

[NeSaxena]

Okay so chicken eggs = meat? The white ones without shell and brown ones with, right?
Bones = Thorns for fish. I usually get the scales removed for our consumption. Scales on or off for him?
I'll definitely do two weeks for fish then. We constantly have fish scares here, including one right now for basa. I'll lay off Basa completely then.
On the whole, fish is the most expensive meat here, barring Basa and a fish called Catla (I think it's called Carp there, not sure). Catla is definitely easily affordable. Surmai is easier to get and more affordable than pomfret.
Most fishes are caught in seas and oceans. I don't know about any farm produced fish that come in to the market, unless it is the really expensive and once in a while stuff.
All the fish I've mentioned I can get fresh easily. I am not even looking at the dried/canned options. The stuff here is questionable.
I'm assuming crab w/o shell and prawn with?

Awesome info on it all, Ruth! Thank you for your help with this. Can you lemme know if Catla is okay as well? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catla) I'll go out and get some tomorrow then.

 

[ruthcatrin]

Chicken eggs (regardless of shell color) are an AWESOME source of all sorts of nutrients, but yes, treat them as meat. You may want to not feed the shell, OR reduce his bone for the day if you do feed the shell, as thats extra calcium and you don't want to screw with that while he's growing.

I'd personally do scales off, but I don't know that it technically makes a difference. I'll add Catla to the list to lookup.

Crab, I'd do shell off, again, extra calcium again.

 

[ruthcatrin]

At first glance it looks like your Catla is probly farmed actually, but I'm not seeing any signifigant worries. Its lower in the various nutrients than wild caught fish, but isn't a horrid source for them either, better than no fish at all, and if its cheap you can potentially feed it a few times a week no problem.

 

[ruthcatrin]

Answers are trickling in from my question elsewhere (along with a reminder of why I no longer recommend that group to new raw feeders *rolls eyes*), and I've got a note about watching Thiaminese content as to much can result in a thiamine deficiancy, I'll poke around and see what I can find on that.

 

[Hank DDB]

Yah, she needs to feed more than liver though, if she feeds ONLY liver for her organs she's risking overdose of some vitamins.

I'll look up the fish, only a couple names looked familier.

I don't see why you CAN'T feed fish eggs, you can also feed chicken eggs BTW (just don't feed the chicken eggs at the same time as you feed your organs later, I'll have to look up fish eggs to see if they're the same, but I don't think so). I know salmon, cod, mackeral, sardines, crab, and prawns are fine to give him.

Bone in is fine, when you say "thorns" do you mean exterior spines? I'd remove the spines and the fins, but otherwise whole or cut up as works for you and him.

I'd freeze the fish for a week minimum, and you may want to do two weeks, here in the US we have problems with some fish containing parasites, so probly better safe than sorry.

Yes totally agree needs to feed more than liver!

 

[ruthcatrin]

Answers are trickling in from my question elsewhere (along with a reminder of why I no longer recommend that group to new raw feeders *rolls eyes*), and I've got a note about watching Thiaminese content as to much can result in a thiamine deficiancy, I'll poke around and see what I can find on that.

Ok, Thiaminase shouldn't be a huge issue, first none of the fish you mentioned are listed as being high in it (though the list isn't comprehensive), and as long as you're not feeding fish more than 2-3 times a week it won't be an issue anyway.

 

[NeSaxena]

Awesome!!! Thanks for the info, Ruth! You're a life saver

Edit: The list I've put in is all I can get easily

 

[ruthcatrin]

No problem! I'll keep poking around, someone else just sent in a response with some links that might help, and if something changes I'll let you know, but it looks like the big deal is figuring out farmed from wild since wild is better.

 

[NeSaxena]

Checked around today, found someone who does only wild fish. A little on the higher side, but I'm okay with that.

I'm going to be intro'ing organs next week and pork the week after next. 2 week gap between pork and fish? He's good with beef and chicken so far.

 

[ruthcatrin]

Hold off intro-ing pork till you're sure he's good on organs, a week might be plenty of time, or it might not. Then pork, then fish. I'm going to suggest fish only 2-3 times a week, so it might take longer to be sure he's good on it. Wild caught is less likely to have issues with toxins and what not build up, but it can still be a risk.

 

[NeSaxena]

Wokay! At the rate which he's gone with the rest, I'm guessing a week and a half tops till he's okay. But I'll make sure he's pooping okay at least for 3 or 4 days before anything else.

 

[ruthcatrin]

Good!

And if he has really dark mucasy diarrhea after you gave him liver you pushed the liver to hard I think everyone does it at least once....

 

[NeSaxena]

One question tho - his poo STINKS when he's eating beef. This past week, things have been a little crazy, so only chicken, and his poo don't stank than bad. I KNOW next week, when he gets beef again, his poo is gonna become blackish and stink to high heaven! ('nuff to clear the building!). Any thoughts?

 

[mx5055]

Ruth will probably give you a better and wiser answer, but my poo stinks when I eat beef too!!

 

[ruthcatrin]

Well, you may want to reduce beef to every other day? The color's not unusual for beef, but the smell, both my dogs have smellier poo when they've had large quantities of beef, but not like you're describing.....some dogs do some proteins less well than others, I was hoping he wouldn't be one of them since you have less availible types of meat, but I guess we'll have to deal.

Also that may change as he grows. When Arty was a pup he couldn't handle poultry of ANY kind in ANY form (except the cheap less than steller chicken kibble he was on when we got him, go figure). Nasty farting and nasty diarrhea.....now a year later he can eat any poultry I give him no problem.

 

[NeSaxena]

I guess we'll slow it down and see