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Fila Brasileiro Breeders??

Tiger none taken just wanted to be clear is all. :)

Southerngirl061, you sound like me, lol. From what I have been reading a Fila would be a good match for your lifestyle. If I wasn't renting I'd highly consider one in the next few years but not right now. You just have to be very cautious with the breed and NEVER let your guard down.

Yeah, I know about the never letting your guard down thing. I've worked with pit bulls before, and in that respect, these two breeds are the same.
 

allsierra123

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I would totally disagree with you on that pits are powerful yes but are easily socialized.

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natsan6

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I have met plenty of pits in petco.......I have never seen a full grown fila out amongst strangers at any public place...ever. I have met plenty of people friendly outgoing sweet pits, there was one in Jagger's puppy classes. From what I have learned from Fila owners like^^^Angel they don't do public or strange people at all once they reach true temp.
 

Tiger12490

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On the grand scheme of control a pit is nothing at all compared to trying to control a fila just different class of aggression

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dogman#1

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well if you take a real gamebred APBT and tried to walk him/her through petco with other dogs around you can get the idea of how it is trying to walk a fila with people around... one is going after the people and the other is going after the other dogs. both can be dulled down with heavy socialization but neither can ever be trusted alone with their particular vice. Please dont tell me how you seen pit bulls in petco playing with other dogs i am talking about a true game bred apbt...it is like those game cocks...they can NEVER be around other animals period.
 

chuckorlando

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A pit..... You mean them sweet little things that the pound addopts out by the thousands? I cant even count the pitts I know or have known in my life. But I can say I aint never met one anything like a Fila. Pitts are made to be Fila's just are
 

Duetsche_Doggen

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Yeah, I know about the never letting your guard down thing. I've worked with pit bulls before, and in that respect, these two breeds are the same.

No disrespect but I disagree these breeds are NOT the same. Granted I've never owned nor seen a Fila in person however by speaking with owners, breeders, watching videos, reading, I can say that these dogs are no where close to pit bulls. Unless you mean they are both on the BSL, than yes :D.

On a serious note please please really think hard about getting a Fila. Its your choice and life to do what you want but again these dogs are nothing to take likely. You literally have to change your life around them and be cautious. I agree with Dogman that "game breed pits" might be the "closest" thing however I have seen very few of these types of dogs. Most are the "lab pits"

If I may I would suggest that you try to find a "true" Fila so you can see the breed in person. Also be careful many people are trying to pass off anything as Fila. Good luck.
 

slim12

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depends on what one is looking for in a fila....Linda Maggio of Carrioca kennels in NC breeds to the CAFIB standard and has very nice dogs....very correct to the standard but at times lacks temperament....Grendals Lair isn NJ I believe, Drew is a dick head in the grandest proportions but he has nice dogs....if you can get by his cockiness and his crapping all over every other fila breeder in the world...he has good dogs...just a prick....i have had a couple of eshabeta bred dogs and they were average at best...great dogs...just not typical to the standard...mostly high ear sets and not so good stops...angulation is average at best and mine did not move as well as i would have liked....one was temperamnet tested excellent the other failed...but the one that failed was a better dog for me....their is a lady in the Raleigh, NC area named Amy has about the best looking dogs I have ever seen...the best temperament of the CAFIB dogs...and the best health records as far as hips and elbows go...she just cleaned up at the CAFIB show in NC last October/November....just a few i have had experiences with in the past...sliim12

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if you were comparing the caution one needs to have when owning a dog aggressive game bred pit and a human aggressive fila then the caution is much the same....one would have to be on their guard for other dogs popping up for the pit and people extending their hands to pet the nice big doggie...especially kids...the dogs themselves are miles apart but the owners responsibilities are similar....the fila is more of a liability than anything....for every one reason you give me for owning one/wanting one i can give three why you should not...having friends over for the big game...big touchdown...your buddy jumps up and raises his hand for a high five...very innocent for us but for the fila it is a drug crazed meth addict with an axe about to cut your kids face off for his next fix....and the correct fila will react accordingly...so then we crate our dog because of what he is and what he is capable of doing....Uncle Joe stops by to drop off the saw he borrowed and you are not home....your wife or daughter puts old spot in the crate because every one knows how he acts...and Uncle Joe decides to have his way with your wife or your daughter...and that dog is as useless as tits on a boar hog...these examples go into the extremes but one can get the point...these are the filas i have had over the years...simone..black bitch...hard as nails...hated everyone other than my family...no other on the planet deserved oxygen as far as she was concerned...tested temp. excellent...staged a severe harm break in and she defended with ferocity....could not take her anywhere...she was as calm as a mouse til someone other than us was around....Tupanga...best dog i have ever owned...from the sorriest sack of shit fila breeder on the planet...she failed her temp. test in Georgia...but would defend and engage at home...just not away from home...had a ton of drive...very active....put her with some goats for herding and she just chased down and caught them and held them til i got there...i put her in a pen with feral hogs and she caught beautifully...put her in a pen with a wild board and she did the same...a solid family dog...no real fila temperament and not a fila to look at...she was great dog....a not so good fila....Bubbagump...an eshabeta male....a hard tempered...low drive dog...lazy...but would defend in an instant...decent looking fila...ended up being mildly dysplastic...slowed him n the later years...a good solid dog....had several faults by standard....Dumas...the results of an accidental breeding....my wife bottle fed the litter as Tupanga had no motherly instincts...we held her down to feed the pups and bottle fed as well...he has nothing to look at....put on a display til someone opened the front door...never met the first person he did not like...he was like the greeter at walmart at our house...high ear set...bad stop....lazy as all get out....slept maybe 22 hours a day....had to be pushed out the door if it were raining or snowing or above 80 degrees....that is just a few of what i have had....all across the fila spectrum...maybe this should have been on the intro page...sorry for thelength....Slim2
 

slim12

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if you were comparing the caution one needs to have when owning a dog aggressive game bred pit and a human aggressive fila then the caution is much the same....one would have to be on their guard for other dogs popping up for the pit and people extending their hands to pet the nice big doggie...especially kids...the dogs themselves are miles apart but the owners responsibilities are similar....the fila is more of a liability than anything....for every one reason you give me for owning one/wanting one i can give three why you should not...having friends over for the big game...big touchdown...your buddy jumps up and raises his hand for a high five...very innocent for us but for the fila it is a drug crazed meth addict with an axe about to cut your kids face off for his next fix....and the correct fila will react accordingly...so then we crate our dog because of what he is and what he is capable of doing....Uncle Joe stops by to drop off the saw he borrowed and you are not home....your wife or daughter puts old spot in the crate because every one knows how he acts...and Uncle Joe decides to have his way with your wife or your daughter...and that dog is as useless as tits on a boar hog...these examples go into the extremes but one can get the point...these are the filas i have had over the years...simone..black bitch...hard as nails...hated everyone other than my family...no other on the planet deserved oxygen as far as she was concerned...tested temp. excellent...staged a severe harm break in and she defended with ferocity....could not take her anywhere...she was as calm as a mouse til someone other than us was around....Tupanga...best dog i have ever owned...from the sorriest sack of shit fila breeder on the planet...she failed her temp. test in Georgia...but would defend and engage at home...just not away from home...had a ton of drive...very active....put her with some goats for herding and she just chased down and caught them and held them til i got there...i put her in a pen with feral hogs and she caught beautifully...put her in a pen with a wild board and she did the same...a solid family dog...no real fila temperament and not a fila to look at...she was great dog....a not so good fila....Bubbagump...an eshabeta male....a hard tempered...low drive dog...lazy...but would defend in an instant...decent looking fila...ended up being mildly dysplastic...slowed him n the later years...a good solid dog....had several faults by standard....Dumas...the results of an accidental breeding....my wife bottle fed the litter as Tupanga had no motherly instincts...we held her down to feed the pups and bottle fed as well...he has nothing to look at....put on a display til someone opened the front door...never met the first person he did not like...he was like the greeter at walmart at our house...high ear set...bad stop....lazy as all get out....slept maybe 22 hours a day....had to be pushed out the door if it were raining or snowing or above 80 degrees....that is just a few of what i have had....all across the fila spectrum...maybe this should have been on the intro page...sorry for thelength....Slim2
 

natsan6

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Please dont tell me how you seen pit bulls in petco playing with other dogs i am talking about a true game bred apbt...it is like those game cocks...they can NEVER be around other animals period.
Well I can lie to ya and tell ya there wasn't a darling little frosty eyed pit in Jagger's class lol....she was a little more dog aggressive than normal but she was there...or we can call them Lab pits, fake pits, sweet pits....not "game breed pit".... but the point I was trying to make is the same. When the trainer, was teaching touching and moving the pit around the training circle she didn't look uncomfortable, she would fully engage with any and all strangers. She didn't assess all of us as a threat. Sorry if I offended anyone by implying that a pit could be out in public since I see them all the time and they look well adjusted to being in a public environment. I didn't realize that made it a different dog.
 

allsierra123

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I assumed we were taking about human aggression. I grew up in the south I know game dogs.

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chuckorlando

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I just was thinking along the lines of DD. I've seen ALOT of pitts"All Real Ones" and few were hard. But yea an aggressive dog is just that. Dont matter what it is there is deff things in common far as owner responcibility. But the HUGE diff is we aint talking dogs here. The mail man, girl scouts, ups, fedex, random drunk guy, they wonder up to the door. I'd bet my lunch you aint had to many random dogs walk up and knock.

I'm all for folks owning Filas long as they know what their getting into. Like not allowing your Fila within strike distance during the big game. Because thats a very very real assesment. That arm moves to fast and it's game on. But for the right owner, all thats a non issue. I just dont let folks in my house. When they are, she dont get crated she gets leashed. For every 3 reasons one could tell me not to own one I can give you 3 ways a responcible Fila owner would handle or completly avoid the situation. But again, you need to know what your really getting into and be willing to deal with all those pain in the rears. I got 20 kids that live around me, fools, drunks, and the like and it really aint hard to keep the two apart.

And regardless of hard or soft temp, you should aproch a Fila puppy as if it's going to be the hardest Fila the world has seen. Because if you dont, your at fault when something goes wrong
 

kshymkiw

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I just was thinking along the lines of DD. I've seen ALOT of pitts"All Real Ones" and few were hard. But yea an aggressive dog is just that. Dont matter what it is there is deff things in common far as owner responcibility. But the HUGE diff is we aint talking dogs here. The mail man, girl scouts, ups, fedex, random drunk guy, they wonder up to the door. I'd bet my lunch you aint had to many random dogs walk up and knock.

I'm all for folks owning Filas long as they know what their getting into. Like not allowing your Fila within strike distance during the big game. Because thats a very very real assesment. That arm moves to fast and it's game on. But for the right owner, all thats a non issue. I just dont let folks in my house. When they are, she dont get crated she gets leashed. For every 3 reasons one could tell me not to own one I can give you 3 ways a responcible Fila owner would handle or completly avoid the situation. But again, you need to know what your really getting into and be willing to deal with all those pain in the rears. I got 20 kids that live around me, fools, drunks, and the like and it really aint hard to keep the two apart.

And regardless of hard or soft temp, you should aproch a Fila puppy as if it's going to be the hardest Fila the world has seen. Because if you dont, your at fault when something goes wrong

Was just talking to my friend about this, he has a Dogo. We live in a world with no Personal Responsibility. People are always looking to pass the buck, for their mistakes to someone/something else. What we need is more people to be aware of what they are doing, and how it can affect other people/animals/etc...
 

Duetsche_Doggen

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I just was thinking along the lines of DD. I've seen ALOT of pitts"All Real Ones" and few were hard. But yea an aggressive dog is just that. Dont matter what it is there is deff things in common far as owner responcibility. But the HUGE diff is we aint talking dogs here. The mail man, girl scouts, ups, fedex, random drunk guy, they wonder up to the door. I'd bet my lunch you aint had to many random dogs walk up and knock.

I'm all for folks owning Filas long as they know what their getting into. Like not allowing your Fila within strike distance during the big game. Because thats a very very real assesment. That arm moves to fast and it's game on. But for the right owner, all thats a non issue. I just dont let folks in my house. When they are, she dont get crated she gets leashed. For every 3 reasons one could tell me not to own one I can give you 3 ways a responcible Fila owner would handle or completly avoid the situation. But again, you need to know what your really getting into and be willing to deal with all those pain in the rears. I got 20 kids that live around me, fools, drunks, and the like and it really aint hard to keep the two apart.

And regardless of hard or soft temp, you should aproch a Fila puppy as if it's going to be the hardest Fila the world has seen. Because if you dont, your at fault when something goes wrong

Chuck this is exactly what I mean. It seems like every day a new guardian breed is heard people flock to the new breed for "insert reason here" When questioned as to do some research people insist that just because they've owned/dealed "insert commonly known working breed(s) here" that it automatically qualifies them as a suitable owner for "insert rare/new breed." In very rare instances have people handled "true/hard" working dogs, not saying that those that have not can't handle the new breeds however I feel they should be absolutely 100% sure they know what they are getting into.

Its like what has been said many people are passing off dogs that look Fila, but not the temperament. Like anything some dogs are "harder" than others, but people should realize that this isn't going to be a dog that will only bark in hopes of scaring a "bad guy" these dogs want to tear the $hit of out anyone they see as a threat. Your family, friend, neighbor, children, etc......Same with CAO, CAS, BK, Bull Terr, etc, There are good and bad examples of each breed but for every one person that can handle a dog with a hard temp, they are trumped by many more that can't.

Unfortunately some people see these dogs as nothing but an exotic status symbol , its happening in the BK community. These people think their dog is a "beast" that could take on this or that. When more often than not their dog is crap, so they start breeding crap and then more people breed crap. Thus the vicious cycle continues. Then when someone does get a dog with a decent amount of temp the dog is automatically deemed as not breed type. Its frustrating and sad, IMO I think this is how we loose breeds.

People are going to do what they do its their life and choice to do so. However if anyone cares to read whether you agree with me or not ( which is fine we all have opinions) I am just giving you my 2 cents. :)

OP sorry to hijack the thread. Remember do your homework and I hope you find what you are looking for. :)
 

natsan6

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@ DD & Chuck.....Sometimes I really was a "like" button or a "hell yeah" button lmao ^^^
 

dogman#1

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yea, I wasnt talking about you needing to be careful with your pittie around people I was referring to the prcaution one has to take while owning a breed with high intensity...pits w/ animals and filas with people.

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slim, Amy from Forca kennels has some very good dogs and her current litter is out of one of my bitches and a male out of Itanhandu (Umiri X Quixaba). she is good people. Carioca is also very good and she just recently got recognized by CAFIB for being the oldest CAFIB breder in the USA!
 

dogman#1

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slim, Amy from Forca kennels has some very good dogs and her current litter is out of one of my bitches and a male out of Itanhandu (Umiri X Quixaba). she is good people. Carioca is also very good and she just recently got recognized by CAFIB for being the oldest CAFIB breder in the USA!
 
When I said they were the same in that respect, I literally meant only in that respect. I understand that the fila and the APBT are different, but with both you always have to be watchful, have to adjust your life to meet their needs, have to cater to it's temperment. No matter what anyone says, a pit has to be watched around animals, and a fila has to be watched around people. In both cases, the OWNER has to take responsibility for preventing mishap. That's what I meant.