What's new
Mastiff Forum

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

  • Welcome back!

    We decided to spruce things up and fix some things under the hood. If you notice any issues, feel free to contact us as we're sure there are a few things here or there that we might have missed in our upgrade.

Has anyone received a quote from ObamaCare yet?

joshuagough

Well-Known Member
GeeZus, s0n.. I thought I had ADD bad.. I read that post 3 times and I still haven't got it down. You went from talking about the south and the north, to air planes, to military cuts, to the ER and then to name calling.

What are they growing down in south Florida or mid south I think you said? Someone could surely sell that to pay for this barry health care plan.

I'll comment on the insurance company bit.. I never said they were fair, but you better believe they will pass the cost along to the customer based on government decisions and mandates. All business have crooks, the government just happens to have more than just about every business combined.

That is all, War Eagle!

People head north to earn the money to retire. Then come south to live in the warmth on cheap ass land in a cheap ass house. I have many many clients that fit this profile.

Heres the problem everyone not right wing is talking about http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/15/opinion/egan-under-my-thumb.html?_r=1& And what will they do, move south so they can pay shit wages in a depressed economy. Same reason folks move south to retire. I mean of coarse thats the right wing way of life. It's all fair and good for the business to do this and rightly what they should be doing. I would suggest you find alternative air planes to fly on.

You keep talking about govt run. It absolutly is not. How do they make sure docs dont just get willy nilly? It's in the bil how. You know, the whole death panel thats gonna kill your grand ma bit the right put out thats how. A panel of leading medical pros determines the most practical means for the symptoms and follows procedure. Example... If you have back pain in this area, what are the leading causes in order from most to least in accordance with the symptoms. In that order you test.

I love how you make the insurance comps out to be fair and just. That my friend is certainly not on par with my intelligence. Refer to my statements on how they fucked over our whole state.

I love reading how military cuts will hurt troops. Thats a joke unless you wish to cut the trivial. We should be shutting down bases all over the world. The only places we should be is on a shared base in friendly countries. We have friends with in striking distance of everyone. Thats why the world hates our asses now. Let iraq build a base here and see how fair and just it is. Further more, no one with the balls to fuck with us is even close enough to fuck with us. The few who have both the balls and the means, also have the brains to know the economic destruction their country would be in if they tried. Even if they won the war, they would fuck them selves. As seen world wide from the bush collapse.

I dont know bout other places. But you walk in the er right now claiming your tummy has hurt for a week, they will give you gas x or some bs. Now once the stomach cancer is bad enough to cause extreme pain to be considered an emergency then they will have a look see. And even then you might not be diagnosed right but rather sent home with a treatment for some bs. This happens all the time. Maybe your local news just dont report it. But it's on my tv.

The leading cause of bankruptcy is medical expenses. The second leading cause is job loss. Then there divorce and finaly unepected expences such as a companies only loader being stolen and insurance paying out 20% of the eplacment value. Then in third is bad use of credit. I would say the others out weight the poor use of money by large margins.

Why would we not go to straight up single pay? ahahahahahaha. Aint you read the right wing blogs? Thats communist. If we did that they would have no choice but to also take your guns and ration bread AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

And lastly, calling people names aint very christian. I'm just saying ahahahahahahaha
 

chuckorlando

Well-Known Member
If you read every post on the last page, I touched on them all. Takes to much time to copy and past them all. ahahaha. So not all parts are for you AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Hell I didn't even read who wrote what I just responded.
 

joshuagough

Well-Known Member
Solid leadership from barry, there's only 30% or 40% left to fix? It's time to throw this is the trash and start over.

Another day, another big, bad black eye for HealthCare.gov.


A crucial system for making payments to insurers from people who enroll in that federal Obamacare marketplace has yet to be built, a senior government IT official admitted Tuesday.


The official, Henry Chao, visibly stunned Rep. Cory Gardner (R-Colo.) when he said under questioning before a House subcommittee that a significant fraction of HealthCare.gov—30 to 40 percent of it—has yet to be constructed.


"We still need to build the payments system to make the payments [to insurance companies] in January," testified Chao, deputy chief information officer of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, the federal agency that operates HealthCare.gov.


That so-called financial management tool was originally supposed to be part of HealthCare.gov when it launched Oct. 1, but officials later suspended its launch as part of their effort to get the consumer interface part of the site ready. The tool will, when it works, transmit the subsidies that the government is kicking in for many enrollees to offset the costs of their monthly premiums.


'Completing this lap'



Hours later, however, a colleague of Chao's at the CMS revealed some good news for HealthCare.gov, saying insurers and online insurance marketplaces will very soon be able to directly start enrolling people in Obamacare insurance who qualify for government subsidies to offset its cost.


A set of software bugs on HealthCare.gov had, for more than six weeks, prevented individual insurance company websites and web brokers including ehealthinsurance.com, getinsured.com and GoHealthInsurance.com from interfacing with the federal site to verify enrollee's subsidy eligibility. That lack of so-called "direct enrollment" had undoubtedly played a role in what has been abysmally low levels of enrollment in Obamacare insurance.

(Read more: Low-bamacare enrollment)


"We do believe the the majority of the fixes for direct, online enrollment are addressed," said CMS spokeswoman Julie Bataille. She said that "in coming days," as insurers and online brokers make their own assessments of their systems, they could begin enrolling people.

EHealth spokesman Nate Purpura said, "We are still in the process of confirming that the fixes have been made that will provide a stable and consumer-friendly user experience. Once we have more information, we can provide further comment."


Chini Krishnan, CEO of GetInsured, said, "We are close to completing this lap."


101211762-450556973.240x160.jpg
Getty Images

Henry Chao, deputy CIO and deputy director of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services' Office of Information Services, testifies during a hearing before the Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee of the House Energy and Commerce Committee.



Payments stalled



But getting insurers paid for people who enroll in their plans via HealthCare.gov is going to take some time, according to CMS.

Bataille, during a conference call after Chao's testimony, did not give an date by which the site's insurer payments tool would be up and running, saying it "will come online over time."

"It's something we do not need online until the middle of January," she said. However, for people's insurance to kick in by Jan. 1, they need to make payments for their Obamacare insurance policies by Dec. 15.

Chao on Tuesday said other areas that need to be built include "the back-office systems, the accounting systems."



He testified that the consumer interface part of that website, which enrolls people in Obamacare insurance plans, is totally built.

(Read more: Obamacare IT Chao warned of 'plane crash' for HealthCare.gov)


"The online application, verification, documentation, plan compare, generating enrollment, that's 100 percent," Chao said.


But the revelation that the insurers' payment tool wasn't yet built startled some observers.

"That's like setting up an online bank without setting up a way to make deposits," an industry source told CNBC.

Joanne Peters, a spokeswoman for CMS's parent, the Health and Human Services Department, said, "The parts of the marketplace that were essential for consumers to be able to apply for eligibility and select a plan were live on Oct. 1."

"The additional functionality that has not been launched has to do with pieces that are not needed until 2014," she added.


HealthCare.gov is comprised of "distinct pieces of functionality that, together, make up the full integrated system—plan management, eligibility and enrollment and financial management," Peters continued.

"As we have said, CMS prioritized essential functionality to be live on Oct. 1 to ensure that consumers would be able to apply for eligibility and select a plan. Other functionality will come online over time. This is a complex project with a short timeline—and as such issues were prioritized to meet the Oct. 1 launch date. As part of this prioritization, back-end tools, including financial management, monthly enrollment reconciliation and risk adjustment, which are not consumer facing and not essential until 2014 will be rolled out in the coming months."

The financial management tool manages the payment processing between marketplaces and issuers. Monthly enrollment reconciliation refers to the tool that makes sure there is agreement between the enrollment numbers maintained by HealthCare.gov and the same numbers maintained by the insurers. And the risk adjustment program gives monetary payments to insurers that disproportionately attract people with chronic conditions, and others whose uses of insurance could end up costing insurers more money than they take in in premiums.

Chao and other Obama administration officials have been lambasted since Oct. 1 for the glitch-laden launch of HealthCare.gov, which with just 27,000 people enrolled in 36 states over one month has grossly underperformed original expectations. The administration had originally estimated that 7 million people would enroll in Obamacare insurance plans by March 31, but that goal remains in peril.
 

joshuagough

Well-Known Member
From a preachers point of view, Alabama is also in a mess because Blue Cross has about 90% of the market..

Doubled premiums, higher deductibles: Blue Cross decision leaves some with few options | AL.com


Wednesday’s announcement by the state’s dominant health insurance company that it would not reinstate plans deemed “substandard” under the Affordable Care Act means tens of thousands of Alabamians will have to figure out a way to pay higher costs.


People like the Rev. Brad McClain, a pastor with congregations in Mobile and Fairhope.

McClain said he found that a family insurance plan comparable to the one he had would double his monthly premium from $800 to $1,600 and increase his deductible from $200 to $2,000 per person.


“We were just shocked,” he said. “We were like, ‘Are you kidding me?... It just doesn’t make sense.”


Bob Mannich, a Fairhope Realtor, said his premium would rise from $647 a month to $1,544. He said he was able to cut that to $890 by removing two adult children from his insurance.

Pondering the increase, Mannich said he thought not only of the immediate hit to his wallet but the potential impact on his livelihood. He said selling houses will be harder it potential buyers have to absorb increases of hundreds of dollars a month in their health insurance.

“It’s going to hit the real estate market tough. … That’s a house payment,” he said. “People can’t pay what they can’t pay.”


In addition to the increased monthly premium, he said, the deductible for prescription drugs will rise from $600 to $2,000.

Responding to mounting criticism that he had broken a promise to allow Americans to keep their insurance if they liked it, President Barack Obama last week announced he was seeking a one-year reprieve for folks in the individual insurance market who had plans that were no longer valid under the law that took effect this year. That is about 87,000 Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Alabama customers.


But the insurer announced Wednesday that a one-year continuation of policies that violate the law “could create significant legal and financial risks” to policyholders and the company.

McClain said Blue Cross and Blue Shield informed him that a cheaper option would give him a premium that is lower than what he faces but still higher than the one he had paid. Plus, he added, the per-person deductible would rise to $12,000 under that policy.

McClain said the new plan would cover procedures he does not need. For instance, the 60-year-old preacher whose child-rearing days are behind him, said the plan covers maternity care. But the new plan will not cover things he previously had, like dental care.

As a pastor, McClain said, he supports the goal of providing health coverage for the millions of Americans who don’t have it. But he questioned whether the government has taken the right approach.


“It is not as if we’re trying to be callous about people’s medical needs,” he said.


McClain said he believes his income is too high to qualify for subsidies through the federal health care exchange under Obamacare. He said he checked with Humana Health Insurance and got quotes even higher than Blue Cross.


“This is going to be a reach for us,” he said. “I think we’ve seen the beginning of a train wreck.”

Mannich, the Fairhope Realtor, said he believes insurance companies ultimately will benefit from Obamacare.


“This whole thing is nothing but a windfall for the insurance companies,” he said. “I feel like they were behind it, behind the scenes.”

Mannich does not spare Obama, either.


“I don’t think he ever cared how that was handled or how it was paid for,” he said. “He just wanted it out there.”
 

joshuagough

Well-Known Member
How about a view point from a barry supporter who thought barrycare was just great.. only to find out.. otherwise #barry-you-suck

[video=cnn2;us/2013/11/19/exp-lead-vo-obamacare-success-story-sours.cnn]http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2013/11/19/exp-lead-vo-obamacare-success-story-sours.cnn.html[/video]