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Help with my intro letter to prospective breeders, and breeder questions??

I have been working on an email that introduces my family to prospective EM breeders from whom I'd like to inquire about puppies. I tried to include all that I could think of that might help the breeder decide if we are right for them and what puppy might be best for us.

I would really appreciate any help or suggestions.

Also, while I have two breeders that I am considering, I would really like further suggestions if you have any. We live far Northern New Mexico near the Colorado border. It is very important to me that we buy a puppy from a breeder that is close enough that I can witness for myself the living conditions of the dogs, the temperament of at least one parent, the behavior of the breeder themselves, and the puppies. Having been burned in the past by well respected breeders, only to find that everyone was seemingly unaware of serious discrepancies between claims and actual conditions, I would so rather not buy a puppy sight unseen. This means that it is my strong desire to stick to New Mexico, Texas and Colorado if at all possible.

Thank you so much for your time, and comments!

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Hi,

I'm writing to inquire about your mastiff puppies. I am a former canine behaviorist who grew up breeding, showing and working Collies, Belgians, Great Danes, St. Bernards, and Shelties. The breeds were split among my aunts, parents, and grand parents, and were the absolute center of our lives. So much so that I turned down a prom date because it conflicted with a National Specialty. There was no way that I was going to miss out on running our dogs in trials, and in the ring, so that I could go to a dance!

As an adult I chose Great Pyrenees and Anatolian Shepherds for myself and my own family, so I am familiar with loving, and living with giant breeds as well. Though I have long, long admired English Mastiffs, I began with the livestock guardian breeds for purely practical reasons. We live on 300 acres in the mountains of Northern New Mexico, and our livestock is at great danger from coyotes, mountain lions, and bears. We are one of only a couple of ranches that are able to free range our small livestock, and we owe this entirely to our dogs. We currently have two working livestock guardian dogs, a 2 year old Great Pyrenees, and an 8 month old Anatolian Shepherd in addition to our goat herd, poultry flocks, and a lazy barn cat.

We have a combination of fencing around the property. The entirety of the acreage is inside of a five-strand barbed wire fence. Within that fence we have our livestock inside of a five wire, high-tensile wire fence. Our house is then fenced in the front with a combination of 4 foot welded wire fence and adobe wall, and in the back with a 6-8 foot combination of latilla log, and wood framed welded wire. All together it effectively keeps our animals in and the predators out.

We are looking for a dog who wants to be part of our family; a house dog as we call them. Our dog would take trips to town with us once a week or so for walks in the parks, or on the mesa where our friends have acreage, as well as trading at the farmers' market. Our summers here at 8200 feet are not too hot; usually topping out at about 80 degrees for only a couple of hours in the height of the August afternoon. In the shade we rarely get over 75 degrees. Our acreage is in the middle of many thousands of acres of National Forest land, and regular walks through the forest are part of our spring, summer, and fall life out here. In the height of the summer we spend at least an hour a day by our large pond, or the shadier river that is beside our house. Our winters are definitely very cold, with very heavy snow, but we keep our house well heated with a wood burning stove, and cushy rugs in every room.

We feed our dogs as well as we feed our children, so a well balanced diet of wild-harvested, raw elk (when we have it), as well as poultry, mutton, and cabrito that we raise ourselves, is what our new puppy would be getting. My husband has spent many years researching nutrition for both humans and domesticated animals through current research as well as anthropological, and historical data, so we feel like we have nailed down a truly health supporting diet for our giant dogs. We would always transition a kibble fed dog slowly, with the use of a high quality, grain free kibble such as Canidae. I am aware of the questions surrounding protein and calcium content, and their effects on the growing skeletal system of a giant breed puppy, and usually choose Canidae food for puppies under a year old.

I am a freelance writer and homeschooling parent, and my husband is a Systems and Network Engineer who also works from home. The only time that our dogs would be home alone is on Mondays when we do all of our errands, and our children have their ballet classes. We also travel to town on Wednesdays, and occasional Fridays, and expect that our future Mastiff will join us for those trips to the farmers' market, and park day. The nearby town of Taos is extremely dog friendly, and dogs are welcome in nearly all businesses, as well as eateries that have outdoor areas. We do a bit of farming here on our property as well, so there is plenty of opportunity for gentle exercise following us around as we move about the gardens, greenhouse, and fields throughout the day. I have three children aged 10, 6 and 3.5 as well. They have grown up with Great Pyrenees in the house and in the field and know how to respect and care for giant breed dogs. Because of my children, especially, training is important in our home not just for our house dogs, but for our field dogs as well, and I can proudly say that I can absolutely trust my working dogs with even my youngest child.

I train with a combination of praise, play, and treats, and teach hand signals from the beginning, to be sure that if I ever needed to communicate with our dogs from a distance I could. I am also familiar with living with dogs that have handicaps and illness. Though it can be emotionally and financially exhausting, it is never a cause for rehoming for me. My first dog, whom I had from the time I was 7 years old, until I was 20 years old, was completely blind for her entire life. We worked closely together so that she could move about with confidence, even in new surroundings, trusting my cues and instructions. She was my life and no connection to our working and show dogs ever quite met the connection that she and I had as a direct result of her disability. When she died I took time off from being a professional trainer and from having a dog of my own. That break turned into a permanent retirement as a trainer, and a long time healing my heart. I fostered a few Bouviers and Belgian Sheepdogs for local rescue groups, but did not take in another dog as part of my family until I began adopting rescued Great Pyrenees. Our recently passed dog, Sheriff, came to us via the Texas Pyrenees rescue group. As a puppy he was found with both of his front legs broken, and had to have plates and pins installed in his legs.

He was a very sensitive dog, and we were always aware of how he was moving, the duration of any walks he joined us on, and adopted him with the understanding that he was at increased risk of cancer as he aged. We take these things as opportunity to be that much more present with the animals we love rather than considering them as burdens. These experiences also act as reminders of how important diet and proper exercise is for the happy longevity of our dogs.

Though we have never had a Mastiff, we have taken it upon ourselves to become educated about them, their gifts, and their difficulties, and truly feel that they are the best fit for our family.
I have been silently perusing the mastiff discussion forums for several years, in addition to all the reading I have done about EMs.

Though I am still researching breeders, your name has come up many times as an example of a high quality breeding program, and I am eager to speak with you further.

I hope that you will consider us a good candidate for placing one of your future puppies with us, and will let us know how we can begin on the road to having a Mastiff in our family.

Thank you so much for your time.

Aimee LeVally
I have attached a few pictures of our home and working dogs in case you are interested.

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Our LGDs having a swim in our pond which is fed by our creek and feeds into the river beside our house.


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A view of the 6-8 foot latilla fence which encloses the back yard.


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This is our back pasture which lies directly behind the backyard fence. This is one of the places that we free range our livestock


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A view down the Eastern half of our property,

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and our LGD puppy having a look down at our house and barns from the ridge above
 

Mooshi's Mummy

Well-Known Member
Forget the dog, adopt me! I can honestly say that if I was a breeder I would put you straight to the top of the list. Fabulous letter, gorgeous pictures and you make me extremely green with envy. What a great life your new addition will have.
 

BlackShadowCaneCorso

Super Moderator
Staff member
This letter would be alright if you have settled on a breeder and you are letting them get to know you better. I think it is too much for an initial introduction and inquiry email, IMHO.

I would give some general details on yourself until you settle on a breeder and then build a relations with this detail with that particular breeder.

PS I also think your place is stunning and am jealous!
 

Geisthexe

Banned
Welcome to the board! I also live in New Mexico in Moriarty. Nice to meet another NM person here :)

As a breeder myself.. I would shorten the letter, it's so much to read that the breeder(s) will get bored.
It's an awesome letter just needs to be condensed. It's my opinion as I personally have a questionnaire I send to my possible homes.

Best of luck on your new addition
 

ruthcatrin

Well-Known Member
This letter would be alright if you have settled on a breeder and you are letting them get to know you better. I think it is too much for an initial introduction and inquiry email, IMHO.

I would give some general details on yourself until you settle on a breeder and then build a relations with this detail with that particular breeder.

PS I also think your place is stunning and am jealous!

Thats kinda what I was wondering.

I was wondering if that kind of letter out of the blue might be a little overwhelming?

I'd condense the basic info and leave out the extra details, for example, your first few paragraphs:

I'm writing to inquire about your mastiff puppies. I am a former canine behaviorist who grew up breeding, showing and working Collies, Belgians, Great Danes, St. Bernards, and Shelties. As an adult I've owned Great Pyreneese and Anatolian Shepherds. We live on 300 acres in the mountains of Northern New Mexico, and run livestock on the property, we have a variety of fencing around and within the property to contain everyone.

Leave the details till the breeder contacts you back and shows interest in having you as an owner of one of their pups. And well, if they don't show interest in any further details that tells you something about them too....
 

BlackShadowCaneCorso

Super Moderator
Staff member
I don't think it is so much that breeders get bored but we have a lot to do if we have puppies on the ground our time is limited. We also have a application that we encourage anyone interested to complete as it gives us some insight into the people from the start. Then we do phone interviews to get to know one another.
 
Thank you! I have trimmed the letter down to the very basics, and reworked the original for later correspondence.

Now I need to find the right breeder/s to inquire with. This is extremely overwhelming. I've been at it for a looong time, and I still don't feel much closer to picking a breeder than I did when I began looking. Thinking of starting a new thread outlining what I'm looking for and hoping that someone already knows my breeder. I am willing to wait as long as it takes to find the most right puppy. I have seen many dogs that I admire, but often those dog's breeders show little consistency in those genetics.

The fact that so many websites mention the importance of testing, but don't then include their own test results anywhere makes it a veritable sea of breeders largely indistinguishable from others. This is the first time I have had no access to dog shows, which limits my access to breeders and their dogs to phone and internet. It's uncomfortable, and seems as though I may spend a lifetime contacting breeders just to determine their dog's testing status before I can even move forward with discussing temperment, rearing practices, contracts, and wait lists. :( I would also prefer not to go down the rabbit hole with a breeder and then find out that their pets sell for $2,500-$2,800. I'm simply not able to bring myself to pay that much for a pet quality dog/bitch.

*sigh*
 

ruthcatrin

Well-Known Member
To be fair Apollo's breeder doesn't have test results on her website either, but one of the first conversations we had she made aure I knew how to look up OFA!

Speaking of which: Orthopedic Foundation for Animals is OFA's website, search option is on the left, you can lookup dogs yourself without having to contact a million breeders.

Pennhip results aren't availible online unfortunetly, so a lack of hips on OFA may mean the hips were done Pennhip and you'll have to ask the breeder about that.
 
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Kelly

Well-Known Member
Frankly I enjoyed the read, started to pretend it was MY life....then whammo that stupid reality hit me.

Amazing property! I would certainly put you on my list if I was a breeder.
 

Geisthexe

Banned
If you are not willing to spend that kind of money on a pet quality dog then maybe adoption would be a better more suitable thing for you and your household. Just a thought :D
 

masteneo

Well-Known Member
Forget the dog, adopt me! I can honestly say that if I was a breeder I would put you straight to the top of the list. Fabulous letter, gorgeous pictures and you make me extremely green with envy. What a great life your new addition will have.
seriously right!? i wont even need potty training. and i cook for myself and i dont have fleas.
 

alwcm4

Well-Known Member
Yeah, I'm sorry to say you more than likely won't find a health tested, conformationally sound mastiff puppy for less than $2000, more than likely $2500. Many breeders don't sell pet quality for cheaper than show quality because in their eyes they puppies are all equally as wonderful.
 
I sincerely hope to pay between $1,800 and $2,000. It is not that I am not willing to pay for the quality that I am getting, but nearing $3,000 is simply out of my budget. It just is. I'm not making any claims that the dogs are not worth their price tag, nor that I would be unwilling to pay it if I had it, but I do not. $2,800 -$3,000 is just more than I have. I sincerely hope that that does not price me out of the breed, because I work hard to be a good home for my dogs, and have long, long dreamed of having an EM.

However, put to wall of having to pay nearly three grand for an EM, accepting a lower quality dog, or choosing a different breed which can provide me with a health and temperament sound dog inside of my financial capacity I would sadly, but surely, go to another breed. I don't feel that this indicates a lack of dedication to EMs, but rather a fact of life. I am a rancher. My livelihood fluctuates with the prices of hay, with drought, with lost offspring, too heavy of a winter, or too short of a summer. Across the country there are ranchers, large and small, who are having to slaughter livestock that they can neither feed nor sell because of the unprecedented duration and depth of drought. I am lucky to not be one of them.

Knowing what I can and cannot afford and never failing to have emergency savings is my survival. Paying much more than about $2100 for a dog who is loved dearly, but will never make a financial return doesn't work with the way that I have to live to survive this life. I would be tapping into money marked for the other creatures dependent on me for their care.

If I truly cannot expect a healthy EM for less than $2,500 then I cannot afford an EM, but in the years that I have spent researching there seem to be a lot of healthy, tested dogs out there who found happy homes for $1,800-$2,000. Perhaps I am mistaken entirely.

I have small children, wide open spaces, a unique lifestyle, and costly livestock. I cannot adopt an adult EM and take the increased risk of injury, damages, or loss. As a responsible animal owner I consider each addition to my ranch a risk. It always is, but that risk can be tempered by bringing in a puppy who can be raised to the lifestyle of which it will be a part.

All puppies are wonderful. All puppies come from the same genetics as their siblings and deserve equally excellent homes. However, as a breeder I would never consider charging a family looking for a pet the same price as I charge the handler or breeder who requires the best, and is in all likelihood, investing in future genetics. It doesn't add up, and the thought makes me sad. I have a wonderful home to offer, but I do not have $2,800 and if a breeder needs me to pay that because they believe that their limited reg., pet quality, never to be bred pup is of equal monetary value to their show pups then that is up to them.

In my family our prices, even for our show dogs, was always negotiable. Always. Our interest is in furthering the breed and finding the best homes for our dogs without prejudice. Pricing most of the population out of a breed because they are deemed so special makes me sad to think about. There are many good homes out there that would do anything for their dog except go into dept in order to purchase them. I am one of them. My aunt purchased her first bitch for $400 and a contract to allow pick puppy to the breeder from her first three litters. That is what she had to do to get started in her breed, and she is now one of THE most celebrated genetic lines in the breed, owning many of the top titles, and hall of fame entries, in addition to being the first or solitary claim to many achievements for her breed. How sad to think that she could have been prevented from making these amazing contributions.
 

tb44

Well-Known Member
Enchanted...I actually have a breeder that has all the health tests. She has slightly older pups that would more than work in your price range. If you are interested pm me and I will happily give you her info.

Terie
 
Enchanted...I actually have a breeder that has all the health tests. She has slightly older pups that would more than work in your price range. If you are interested pm me and I will happily give you her info.

Terie

Hi Terie,
Your PM box is full and can't accept new msgs.

All the best...
 

LauraR

Well-Known Member
I sincerely hope to pay between $1,800 and $2,000. It is not that I am not willing to pay for the quality that I am getting, but nearing $3,000 is simply out of my budget. It just is. I'm not making any claims that the dogs are not worth their price tag, nor that I would be unwilling to pay it if I had it, but I do not. $2,800 -$3,000 is just more than I have. I sincerely hope that that does not price me out of the breed, because I work hard to be a good home for my dogs, and have long, long dreamed of having an EM.

However, put to wall of having to pay nearly three grand for an EM, accepting a lower quality dog, or choosing a different breed which can provide me with a health and temperament sound dog inside of my financial capacity I would sadly, but surely, go to another breed. I don't feel that this indicates a lack of dedication to EMs, but rather a fact of life. I am a rancher. My livelihood fluctuates with the prices of hay, with drought, with lost offspring, too heavy of a winter, or too short of a summer. Across the country there are ranchers, large and small, who are having to slaughter livestock that they can neither feed nor sell because of the unprecedented duration and depth of drought. I am lucky to not be one of them.

Knowing what I can and cannot afford and never failing to have emergency savings is my survival. Paying much more than about $2100 for a dog who is loved dearly, but will never make a financial return doesn't work with the way that I have to live to survive this life. I would be tapping into money marked for the other creatures dependent on me for their care.

If I truly cannot expect a healthy EM for less than $2,500 then I cannot afford an EM, but in the years that I have spent researching there seem to be a lot of healthy, tested dogs out there who found happy homes for $1,800-$2,000. Perhaps I am mistaken entirely.

I have small children, wide open spaces, a unique lifestyle, and costly livestock. I cannot adopt an adult EM and take the increased risk of injury, damages, or loss. As a responsible animal owner I consider each addition to my ranch a risk. It always is, but that risk can be tempered by bringing in a puppy who can be raised to the lifestyle of which it will be a part.

All puppies are wonderful. All puppies come from the same genetics as their siblings and deserve equally excellent homes. However, as a breeder I would never consider charging a family looking for a pet the same price as I charge the handler or breeder who requires the best, and is in all likelihood, investing in future genetics. It doesn't add up, and the thought makes me sad. I have a wonderful home to offer, but I do not have $2,800 and if a breeder needs me to pay that because they believe that their limited reg., pet quality, never to be bred pup is of equal monetary value to their show pups then that is up to them.

In my family our prices, even for our show dogs, was always negotiable. Always. Our interest is in furthering the breed and finding the best homes for our dogs without prejudice. Pricing most of the population out of a breed because they are deemed so special makes me sad to think about. There are many good homes out there that would do anything for their dog except go into dept in order to purchase them. I am one of them. My aunt purchased her first bitch for $400 and a contract to allow pick puppy to the breeder from her first three litters. That is what she had to do to get started in her breed, and she is now one of THE most celebrated genetic lines in the breed, owning many of the top titles, and hall of fame entries, in addition to being the first or solitary claim to many achievements for her breed. How sad to think that she could have been prevented from making these amazing contributions.

While I am still learning about EM's, I can tell you about my experience with my Bichon. I bought her from a well respected breeder in my area that only bred for show. She put a lot of time and money into breeding them correctly, testing and extensive prenatal care. I had met her a few times before at my groomer's and while I am embarrassed to say, I was kind of star struck when I found out that she not only owned one of the best looking Bichons I have ever seen, but that she bred them. My luck just so happened that this gorgeous Bichon was pregnant with her second litter. I knew I could not afford the $1,200 she was asking for her pups, but I would talk with her about them regularly. One day she had mentioned her concerns about one of her puppies that had not yet found a home(at this point the pups were 18 weeks). It was the runt and while she had no health issues, her chest was too small to be shown and her temperament was not that of a show dog(a bit too relaxed). One thing led to another and I ended up buying her at a very large discount.
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