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[Bubbaisaboerbel]

Hi everyone my name is Tobey i have a two year old SAB named Bubba and a almost three year old neo named Lucca I have had these dogs for almost a year after taking them in due to my brother passing in an auto accident! I took them in because as long as i can remember my brother loved and kept these types of dogs it was his passion and even though i have only the experiance my brother taught me about these large dogs i to have fallen in love with them! I live in rural il. with a large yard and no close neighbors Bubba andLucca both stay in the house with my wife and kids and we have fenced a 100x100 portion of our yard for them when they are outside due to the fact that when we had walkers come by our place they both would turn from lovable to scary.Here is my question my brother paid alot of money for these dogs and breed or show contract not sure what one so he did not have them fixed i know he never planned on breeding them together but i was wondering if it was possible or safe?like i said i know my brother spent an amount we would tease him about alot and now with vet bills and concrete kennel and fencing i have spent even more i dont want to sell any of the pups just keep a part of my brother here with my family i have the space time and money to care for them my vet sent me to the internet for advise since he had no info on mixing the two breeds seemed like he was more not for it but told me to do my homework is this a bad idea guys? we have alot of family funtions at my place and all the family members see my brothers dogs and they comment on how it reminds them of our brother thank you for your help guys! sorry if this is not a question for your site.

 

[Cody]

Your brother spent a lot of money and was passionate about the breeds and their best interest, do you really think he would want them crossed? The majority of dog fanciers are true to the breeds they have chosen, the reason they breed is to better the breed, their idea of where they want the breed to go, be developed, within the breed standard. To be a responsible breeder first thing is knowing whether or not the dogs are good examples of the breeds, followed by official health testing then finding a stud/bitch that complements the dogs you have. Also showing, working or getting temperament testing done to prove they are worthy of being bred at all.
Chances are he signed contracts stating the dogs would never be bred with another breed.
Not knowing your brother, and I am very sorry for your loss i couldn't imagine the pain, but if he was passionate about his dogs I do not think that cross breeding would honor his love of the breeds.

 

[Tiger12490]

That's garbage Cody there is nothing wrong with mixed breeds and no one should feel bad for mixing breeds they want.... I'd get all the proper testing done and if its something you want to do than do it... just make sure you have a home for the other 10+ plus pups...there is a huge deal with pedigree enthusiast and there negative view on mix breeds even though mutts tend to be better dogs that there pure bred counterparts

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[Aplatitsin]

What is a SAB

 

[Tiger12490]

South African boerbol

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[Sabrina]

I'm so sorry about the loss of your brother....please don't breed your dogs- I guarantee if he was a fancier of both breeds, he would rather you fix them than breed them together

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

Sorry for the loss of your brother.

Personally I don't mind outcrossing to breeds either so long as there is a purpose to imporve the breed,ie health and temprament. There are some Bulldog breeders who are outcrossing to get a healthier, more drive, studier, dog with fewer health problems compared the smooshed face squatty type.

There' are plenty of mixed breeders out there from people who want something "different" or to make money. That I don't like ( not saying the OP is doing this) but its their dogs.

 

[Kelly]

So sorry about the loss of your brother. Im so glad you are taking such good care of his babies, I just hope if anything happens to me, mine are as well loved.

Are you able to find out who the breeders are? Or do you have the paperwork?

 

[Oak Hill Farm]

I have had these dogs for almost a year after taking them in due to my brother passing in an auto accident! I took them in because as long as i can remember my brother loved and kept these types of dogs it was his passion and even though i have only the experiance my brother taught me about these large dogs i to have fallen in love with them!

Due to this sentence, and the fact that you are on a board asking people you don't know (meaning you have no mentor), (my opinion) NO you should not breed them. You do not have enough dog knowledge to think about breeding at all. Let alone knowledge about each breed and what each breed would bring to the table (both positive and negative) during a F1 cross-breed.

You need to know what kennels/lines your dog comes from, what sort of genetics are behind them. You need a slew of appropriate health testing. You need a market for these dogs. Who is going to home them? Are you looking for working homes? do you have working homes lined up? these dogs wouldn't be for the average "pet" home, and being crosses no show home either, that limits your market. These are very powerful breeds and in any breeding especially a first time F1 breeding between the two, you have no idea what temperaments you are going to get.

You say you don't want to sell them? What are you going to do with possibly 10 puppies. It is irrational and unfeasible that you would want to let alone would be able to properly care for and appropriately raise that many dogs.

You need a reason to breed them as well. Because you have them, because they have the working parts, and because you miss your brother are NOT good reasons. What this world does not need is more poorly thought out, useless dogs. Do they work, display proper temperament, have a legacy that needs to be left? Breeding the two dogs will not keep your brother close. Your memories do that. You will have those long after the dogs are gone.

If you want to honor your brothers memory, foster a dog of those breeds he loved, or donate time/money to a large breed rescue in his name/memory every year.

 

[neomama]

You should also read the contract, because most likely it will state that you cannot breed with any other breed of dog.
I would not do it.

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

Sorry for the loss of your brother but there are some great posts here that I think deserve some serious thought before going any farther than thinking about it.

 

[angelbears]

Rules are meant to be broken. While I agree this is not a good idea. I more than understand the emotion behind it.

10 to 15 puppies are not unheard of. Can you find homes for that many? As mentioned, both of these breeds are known for their temperament. A lot of people just can't handle them.

You could also lose your bitch. Giving birth is not easy on the giant breeds. Others can correct me if I'm wrong but I think a good majority have C-sections. I know mine was born by C section.

Do you know who either of the breeders are? Unlikely, but they may be willing to do a breeding with you. If not in the future you could get a pup from one of the same lines as the two you have now.

I know it will be a hard decision. I wish you the very best in which ever direction you decide to go.

 

[Marrowshard]

I won't argue with your desire to have something "of your brother", but performing a cross between two intact dogs purely for sentimental reasons probably isn't a good idea. I do have a question: you say your brother paid for show/breed lines, did he ever do any showing? If he did and either of the dogs is titled, it might be more advisable to breed within the breed. I would also say that if you're already having trouble with the upkeep on two adult dogs, you're not going to be pleased with what it costs to deliver a litter, especially since mastiffs can be prone to C-sections. Vet visits, shots, whelping supplies, potential emergencies ... I'm sure you've already discovered that giant breed dogs = waaay bigger bills at the vet.

~Marrow

EDIT: Realized I mis-read the OP a little about the financial stuff ... dunno what happened but I mistakenly thought you were concerned about upkeep.

 

[Kelly]

Also, can you please post some photos? We can never get enough, and we dont have alot of Boerboels on this site. Not that many neos either.

 

[Mamie2shoes]

I am sorry for your loss. I know that can be tough, and these are his babies which makes them all the more special. However, I do have a question. I am assuming that Bubba, the SAB, is a boy. But I was also guessing that Lucca, the neo, was a boy too??? Which is the girl?

 

[Cody]

That's garbage Cody there is nothing wrong with mixed breeds and no one should feel bad for mixing breeds they want.... I'd get all the proper testing done and if its something you want to do than do it... just make sure you have a home for the other 10+ plus pups...there is a huge deal with pedigree enthusiast and there negative view on mix breeds even though mutts tend to be better dogs that there pure bred counterparts

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And how do mutts tend to be better?
Health and temperament? That has long been debunked. Instead of the genetic issues of 1 breed you have the problems of multiple. As for mixing the breeds they want, that is the load of garbage. How many of the people doing it "cause they want to" end up taking back or offering life time support of the pups they wanted to make. How many offer support when the pups are in pain, sick or dying?
Again it is that sense of entitlement, I own it there fore I will breed it.
Because you want/can do something doesn't mean you should.
I am not against mixing breeds with a set purpose and a view of what one wants as the final outcome. That still takes years of studying the two breeds, the pedigrees behind those breeds, looking at what the consistencies and traits are being thrown by the dogs you are looking at to get an idea of what may be the outcome of the desired litters.
Then still doing proper health testing, maybe producing one litter and waiting for it to develop to see if your goal is on it's way to being achieved. I do not believe in breeding being taken lightly. Purebred or mutts.
That said, I also do not really see the need of creating more breeds, if there is something specific one is looking to do with a breed chances are there is already a breed created to do it.

 

[Bubbaisaboerbel]

Im sorry Lucca was the name she came with not sure why he named her that!thank you for your reply

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Thank you for your input.We are waiting for my brothers estate to be settled to get paperwork on his dogs and info on his past dogs my sister is in charge of his estate and has told me that she has gotten some phone calls from a few kennels/breeders stating they were interested in breeding or buying one or both of his dogs!my vet even said they might have the right to take them back (is this true? i could not imagine losing them) I started this journey of wanting to let them breed together i must say for the wrong reasons wanting to keep the one thing my brother truly loved and this will sound bad not letting $20,000 go to waste i know my brother spent more than $5,000 on them and i have spent close to $20,000 on fencing running heat and water to a new kennel and building them a large fenced in run!I just thought that if they were able to safely have puppies members of our family would like to have something from our brother the ones who would take a puppy have the room and they have had large dogs themselves and like i said i have the time and i think i could handle the extra load of more but if it is a bad idea or if i cant like you said with the contract i wont dont let my mention of money make you think i dont care about Bubba and Lucca they are family and we love them

 

[Bubbaisaboerbel]

Thank you for your input.We are waiting for my brothers estate to be settled to get paperwork on his dogs and info on his past dogs my sister is in charge of his estate and has told me that she has gotten some phone calls from a few kennels/breeders stating they were interested in breeding or buying one or both of his dogs!my vet even said they might have the right to take them back (is this true? i could not imagine losing them) I started this journey of wanting to let them breed together i must say for the wrong reasons wanting to keep the one thing my brother truly loved and this will sound bad not letting $20,000 go to waste i know my brother spent more than $5,000 on them and i have spent close to $20,000 on fencing running heat and water to a new kennel and building them a large fenced in run!I just thought that if they were able to safely have puppies members of our family would like to have something from our brother the ones who would take a puppy have the room and they have had large dogs themselves and like i said i have the time and i think i could handle the extra load of more but if it is a bad idea or if i cant like you said with the contract i wont dont let my mention of money make you think i dont care about Bubba and Lucca they are family and we love them

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Thank you for your input no money is not the problem but it was a little bit of the reason i wanted to let them have puppies together 1.i get to keep having something of my brothers i might be able to pass on to other family members 2. my brother spent over $5,000 just on the dogs and i have spent close to $20,000 building them a kennel like the one they came from (heat water air) and fencing i just thought if i already have the set up and the time and desire to give the pups it would be o.k. but after reading everyones posts maybe not!

 

[Bubbaisaboerbel]

Thank you for your input no money is not the problem but it was a little bit of the reason i wanted to let them have puppies together 1.i get to keep having something of my brothers i might be able to pass on to other family members 2. my brother spent over $5,000 just on the dogs and i have spent close to $20,000 building them a kennel like the one they came from (heat water air) and fencing i just thought if i already have the set up and the time and desire to give the pups it would be o.k. but after reading everyones posts maybe not!

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Im sorry guys i tried repling to all but looks like i dont know how to work this site all my posts are going to bottom of page but thank you all so much i did not know all that was involved i will keep everyone informed of what happens i think i will wait to get them fixed untill i get all the paperwork from the estate and contact their breeders (our vet said that the breeders might have a legal right to the dogs is that true? anyone? i could not imagine losing them) thank you all for taking time out of your day to help a stranger!

 

[Bubbaisaboerbel]

Im sorry guys i tried repling to all but looks like i dont know how to work this site all my posts are going to bottom of page but thank you all so much i did not know all that was involved i will keep everyone informed of what happens i think i will wait to get them fixed untill i get all the paperwork from the estate and contact their breeders (our vet said that the breeders might have a legal right to the dogs is that true? anyone? i could not imagine losing them) thank you all for taking time out of your day to help a stranger!