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JamieHalverson

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This did make me LOL. I started trying to do my own mix of raw meats and balancing the ratios and it was a lot of work. Then I noticed Em was not chewing her bones well enough and would pass an occasional whole bone which was scary. I found a supplier that sells the grind with the proper ratios in 2lb chubs. I use one in the morning and one at night (feeding my little mongrels as well) and it is super easy! You MUST post pics of the pig head treat!!!
I think the complete grind may be the way to go, at least for now. I bought 50 pounds of beef, and I think 15 or 20 piubds each of salmon and pork. I just let them thaw enough to slice into half pound chunks and then freeze in baggies.
 

BAMCB

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Yeah, chicken and duck feet as the 10% bone with boneless meat pieces. But I now have some complete grind, which has organ. I'm thinking if organ is causing the issues, then maybe I should feed the ground tripe, which does not have any organ, for the first week or so. And with the feet for 10% bone.

Are you nervous to feed chicken bones? You could try necks cut up into small pieces so no choking hazard(if that is what bothers you). I am thinking I heard(a long time ago so may be confusing with something else) chicken feet could potentially be rich which could cause loose stools.

And grinding to make your own mix is super easy and much cheaper. We have a grinder that does chicken bone with no issue. I started out in 10's so the ratios were super easy to figure out. So 10 lbs of mix was 8 lbs meat, 1 lb bone, .5 lb liver and .5 lb other offal. The chicken quarters are 33% bone so roughly 3 lbs of quarters would equal 1 lb bone and 2 lbs meat. Then add 6 lbs boneless meat and the liver and offal. Does that make any sense? But after typing all that I remembered you are avoiding chicken! lol but same if using other bone in products.

If chicken is an issue could the chicken feet be causing her upset stomach? Now I'm just thinking out loud so feel free to ignore;) hahaha
 

JamieHalverson

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Are you nervous to feed chicken bones? You could try necks cut up into small pieces so no choking hazard(if that is what bothers you). I am thinking I heard(a long time ago so may be confusing with something else) chicken feet could potentially be rich which could cause loose stools. And grinding to make your own mix is super easy and much cheaper. We have a grinder that does chicken bone with no issue. I started out in 10's so the ratios were super easy to figure out. So 10 lbs of mix was 8 lbs meat, 1 lb bone, .5 lb liver and .5 lb other offal. The chicken quarters are 33% bone so roughly 3 lbs of quarters would equal 1 lb bone and 2 lbs meat. Then add 6 lbs boneless meat and the liver and offal. Does that make any sense? But after typing all that I remembered you are avoiding chicken! lol but same if using other bone in products. If chicken is an issue could the chicken feet be causing her upset stomach? Now I'm just thinking out loud so feel free to ignore;) hahaha
No, I'm not afraid to feed bone, I just want to make sure as we start and I'm learning more the dogs are getting what they need, hence the grind. Lillie is allergic to chicken, so she gets duck feet and Yogi gets the chicken feet. They've always gotten feet, even while feeding kibble. So what happened was I ran out of kibble two days before my raw order came in. I still have tons, well at least 30 pounds, of duck and chicken feet, lots of beef and some liver, and a few whole fish that were caught ice fishing. I figured we could make that work for those two days. I think it was the liver that caused the diarrhea. I was not aware that when you transition you should wait to add organ meat. I bought about a months supply of raw so I can see how Lillie reacts to different things as we go and I can adjust as needed.
 

BAMCB

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Ah, makes sense. I fed Sonny a pre made for mix for his am feeding to be certain he was getting proper portions, he was 13 weeks old when we started. Peace of mind goes a long way, especially when trying something new.
 

JamieHalverson

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Ah, makes sense. I fed Sonny a pre made for mix for his am feeding to be certain he was getting proper portions, he was 13 weeks old when we started. Peace of mind goes a long way, especially when trying something new.
It sure does! Especially since I went to raw to try to resolve some ongoing issues. The supplier suggested to fast them for a day or give them just feet for the added bone they need to counter act the organ. Let their digestive tracts settle down and then try a beef grind with an added foot or 2 to give a little more bone since the mix does have 10% organ. So we will try that today and just stick with it, the beef should be easier for them, and I think they are both fine with it.

Thanks for all the help!
 

NYDDB

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Sounds like you have a plan-- just wanted to throw something out there (not to confuse you more or anything, LOL.)

A physician friend of mine-raw-feeder (whom is retired and does nothing but research and document human and dog health these days), along with a natural and raw-fed breeder for over 30 years, have both come to the conclusion that the "80/10/10" is kinda bogus. In other words, way too much organ is given in that ratio, and could cause some issues down the road (not to mention very loose stools.) They feed prgans maybe once or twice a month- and their dogs are thriving. I have also backed off on the organs- as well as stressing so much over the "optimum ratio" and have adopted a more lenient and sane philosophy: "balance over time."
 

JamieHalverson

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Sounds like you have a plan-- just wanted to throw something out there (not to confuse you more or anything, LOL.)A physician friend of mine-raw-feeder (whom is retired and does nothing but research and document human and dog health these days), along with a natural and raw-fed breeder for over 30 years, have both come to the conclusion that the "80/10/10" is kinda bogus. In other words, way too much organ is given in that ratio, and could cause some issues down the road (not to mention very loose stools.) They feed prgans maybe once or twice a month- and their dogs are thriving. I have also backed off on the organs- as well as stressing so much over the "optimum ratio" and have adopted a more lenient and sane philosophy: "balance over time."
That's exactly what I've been gathering from long time raw feeders, as well. It's just hard to know what that balance is when you first start out. I'm sure I'll get there!
 

BAMCB

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Sounds like you have a plan-- just wanted to throw something out there (not to confuse you more or anything, LOL.)

A physician friend of mine-raw-feeder (whom is retired and does nothing but research and document human and dog health these days), along with a natural and raw-fed breeder for over 30 years, have both come to the conclusion that the "80/10/10" is kinda bogus. In other words, way too much organ is given in that ratio, and could cause some issues down the road (not to mention very loose stools.) They feed prgans maybe once or twice a month- and their dogs are thriving. I have also backed off on the organs- as well as stressing so much over the "optimum ratio" and have adopted a more lenient and sane philosophy: "balance over time."

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.
 

JamieHalverson

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I've also been seeing a lot of people feeding 80/20 meat/bone with organ thrown in once or twice a month, but not really factored into their ratio or feeding plan.

We are seeing some definite improvement, no more loose stools and I don't think I'm imagining it, but Lillie's face is healing and scabbing with no new pimples!
 

NYDDB

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Yay! Plus, every dog is different: some need more bone, some less; you will get to know your dogs (and their poop!) very well. :)
 

BAMCB

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Yay! Plus, every dog is different: some need more bone, some less; you will get to know your dogs (and their poop!) very well. :)

My neighbors must think I'm nuts watching my dogs poop and running over to check it when they're done. Lol