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Neutering

LauraR

Well-Known Member
I guess because all you see in media is spay or neuter, when you rescue one they are normally neutered when you get them, or you sign a contract to neuter them as soon as possible. This is the first I have heard NOT to neuter.

Can you guys lay out for me why to wait or why not to do it at all?

I feel like this is mostly because of the plethora of IRRESPONSIBLE dog owners. A truly responsible owner is going to be able to contain their dog to keep it from roaming if it is male and keep it contained while in heat if it is a female. Too many owners do not do this and it leads to accidental and/or unwanted pregnancies, which leads to shelter overcrowding. A lot of people also believe that just because their dog has papers, it should be bred. This is not the case.
After plenty of research and consulting with my vet, it is very important to hold of altering your pet at a young age because it can negatively affect their growth. It can cause joint problems and a list of other things that are costly to you and painful for your dog. However, my vet has told me that with female dogs, it is important to have them spayed eventually to avoid issues like ovarian cysts and uterine problems. The general consensus is 18-24 months, but this is a guideline for responsible pet owners. If I knew someone who was intending on getting a dog that I knew was not capable, or willing, to care for it properly to prevent unwanted litters, I would recommend they spay/neuter earlier than 18 months.
 

Boxergirl

Well-Known Member
I truly believe that for most people it's best to have the pets spayed or neutered at an appropriate age. When I spoke to my vet about this we discussed the pros and cons of spaying Ella at 6mo. Doc told me that the majority of people that don't schedule a s/n when their pup receives their last puppy shots don't come back in.....until the dog is pregnant. Of course there are responsible owners, many of them are obviously on this forum. I think that most people should be encouraged to s/n, but that if the breeder (in the case of a contract) or vet understands that the person they are dealing with is a responsible owner then exceptions can and should be made.

I also think that there is more to responsible ownership than just making sure your dog doesn't sire a litter or get pregnant. This won't apply to most people here, but - I adopted my Leo with advanced testicular cancer. At some point in his life someone had spent big money on him. He was a flashy fawn boxer, show quality with a show crop. He'd had training. His owner wasn't unknown as he was a very striking dog that had been seen around town and done a bit of showing, but it appears that when he was diagnosed they just took his collar off and let him go rather than treating. Animal control picked him up and the owners never came to get him. He stayed at AC, had a long line of would-be adopters that all backed out. Lucky me, he became my boyfriend for a year and nine months. He had to wear a diaper for the entire time because we couldn't clear up a lingering infection that caused him to drip pus. So there's another example of irresponsible ownership.

Lastly, animal rescues aren't perfect. I think that they can be awfully narrow minded about adopting to responsible owners with unaltered pets. I do, however, understand why they so strongly advocate spaying and neutering. I did rescue work for many years. Unless you've done it, please don't judge them too harshly. It's tiring, often sickening, and almost always depressing to have to keep cleaning up the messes that irresponsible owners make. If you think that most rescues are rolling in the dough, then I don't know what rescue you are looking at. I footed the bill as a foster parent for every special needs dog that came in. The adoption fee for those dogs that don't need much, or any, vetting only makes up for those dogs that do need more care. Most of what comes in, at least for the boxer breed, are poorly bred dogs whose parents should have been spayed or neutered. Not dogs that will better the breed. *Editing to add that I use "you" as a general term, not directed at any one person.*
 
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LauraR

Well-Known Member
Well said. While slightly off topic, I agree about the shelter costs part. I had a friend who was moaning and groaning about how the shelter she wanted to adopt from was asking $200. She didn't feel like she should have to pay so much for an "unwanted mutt" and thought that they basically should be giving him to her for free to make room for other dogs. I encouraged her to look up the cost of neutering, microchipping and all of the shots he had so she could see that she was getting the better end of the deal. I also encouraged her to volunteer with me at our local shelter so she could see exactly what that $200 does(honestly not much). Since then, she has opted to foster rather than adopt which works pretty well for her situation and makes me happy that it helps some of those sweet babies get out of the shelter for a little bit.
 

mx5055

Well-Known Member
I truly believe that for most people it's best to have the pets spayed or neutered at an appropriate age. When I spoke to my vet about this we discussed the pros and cons of spaying Ella at 6mo. Doc told me that the majority of people that don't schedule a s/n when their pup receives their last puppy shots don't come back in.....until the dog is pregnant. Of course there are responsible owners, many of them are obviously on this forum. I think that most people should be encouraged to s/n, but that if the breeder (in the case of a contract) or vet understands that the person they are dealing with is a responsible owner then exceptions can and should be made.

I also think that there is more to responsible ownership than just making sure your dog doesn't sire a litter or get pregnant. This won't apply to most people here, but - I adopted my Leo with advanced testicular cancer. At some point in his life someone had spent big money on him. He was a flashy fawn boxer, show quality with a show crop. He'd had training. His owner wasn't unknown as he was a very striking dog that had been seen around town and done a bit of showing, but it appears that when he was diagnosed they just took his collar off and let him go rather than treating. Animal control picked him up and the owners never came to get him. He stayed at AC, had a long line of would-be adopters that all backed out. Lucky me, he became my boyfriend for a year and nine months. He had to wear a diaper for the entire time because we couldn't clear up a lingering infection that caused him to drip pus. So there's another example of irresponsible ownership.

Lastly, animal rescues aren't perfect. I think that they can be awfully narrow minded about adopting to responsible owners with unaltered pets. I do, however, understand why they so strongly advocate spaying and neutering. I did rescue work for many years. Unless you've done it, please don't judge them too harshly. It's tiring, often sickening, and almost always depressing to have to keep cleaning up the messes that irresponsible owners make. If you think that most rescues are rolling in the dough, then I don't know what rescue you are looking at. I footed the bill as a foster parent for every special needs dog that came in. The adoption fee for those dogs that don't need much, or any, vetting only makes up for those dogs that do need more care. Most of what comes in, at least for the boxer breed, are poorly bred dogs whose parents should have been spayed or neutered. Not dogs that will better the breed. *Editing to add that I use "you" as a general term, not directed at any one person.*

You broke my heart with the story of the boxer with cancer whose owners just turned him out. I've had boxers my whole life and I just can't imagine what that poor boy felt...Boxers become a part of your family, and they live for you, they are such great dogs...great family dogs, and all they want to do is please you. I am so grateful you were able to provide a loving home for him until the end; and curse those people that did that. I know it happens all the time, to all breeds of dogs, but I just lost my last male boxer in Oct 2012, and I could never imagine turning away from him even though the last year...esp the last 6 months of his life were so hard. Thank you, thank you, thank you! I also understand and agree with what you are saying about rescues...they are not "rolling in the dough" and they barely hang in there doing what they do with little to no appreciation except maybe saving a few dogs. Such a sad situation :(