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Newborn puppy help?

RxGoforth

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Husband and I came home to a dead puppy and one on death's doorstep. Nikki has a severe drooling problem and saggy, clumsy tongue. We think the pup froze because she soaked it cleaning it then it wandered away from the huddle. My husband seems to think she simply laid on it. The house is warm, but she keeps them soaking wet. I have 2 pups on a heating bad right now. They did well with bottle feeding. Any tips or tricks even advice until I load the pups up to take to the vet in the morning?
 

ruthcatrin

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Keep 'em warm, heating pads are often recommended. They sell ones for that purpose, but any heated animal bed will work (petsmart had a bunch last year, not looked this year), not sure how a human's heating pad would work temp wise, but they need to be kept at 100 or warmer. Hot water bottles regularly replaced wold work temporarily.
 

RxGoforth

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Thanks Ruth. Everything we googled said temp was #1 puppy killer. It is just wierd everyone so healthy then bam. Even Nikki is fine. Her check up tomorrow was just for good measure. Now it seems life or death. We read horrible things online about litters dying off one by one. It is so scary.
 

Rugers-Kris

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I am so sorry to hear about the puppy. I wish I had some advice to share but I am sure that the vet will be able to help tomorrow and hopefully the rest will be fine until then.
 

ruthcatrin

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Yah, thats what I find too. Mind I've never had a litter of my own, but I remember reading how warm they had to be kept. If they were previously eating well and gaining weight like they should I'd think temp first as the culprit.
 

RxGoforth

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I'm just worried it's genetics and what was going on before we got them. The first thing I said to my husband when we realuzed she was pregnant is " she does not need to have pups" but we did not have t in us to abort them. We had Nik checked out and got a good bill of health other than weight. So i'm just blah.
 

ruthcatrin

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Well, without knowing her genetics its possible? In which case, frankly, the dead pup is probly better off not suffering (horrid as that sounds). But if the pup was strong as the others this morning I'd say thats less likely. If the pup survived the birth and was suckling well you'd be more likely to get a slow decline over several days, unless theres something horrid congenital that EM,s are prone to that I'm not aware of (possible I'll admit).
 

raechiemay

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One thing I used for warmth when I was bottle feeding kittens was a sock full of rice that had been microwaved. I believe the rice had to be changed out due to re-microwaving but I'm not sure how often. I just know the kittens loved to snuggle up to the warm sock.
 

RxGoforth

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That is why I have never wanted to breed and left it in capable hands. Too much can go wrong and I am a softy. As weak as I am if this is something serious I wish I had spayed her. Iwill never rescue dogs from a person again. At least we can make Zeus and Nikki thrive no matter what the pup's fate may be. I am probably going to just take them to a 24 hour vet tonight. My husband and I are weighing the options. Say it is serious and we have pups that have health issues. We could not possibly put that burden on prospective families and risk keeping them all. Eleven Mastiffs. Seriously? I will totally spend the money to hook every pup up to oxygen, feeding tubes' and whatever else to save them. But is tht ethical if they will be cursed to pain or worse later in life? This is driving me crazy. Craigslist lesson learned. I can't save them all.
 

raechiemay

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Please don't beat yourself up about it. You did a wonderful thing & there's no telling where your babies would be had they ended up with someone else. I envy your courage. Just keep your head up & a close eye on mama & pups. If you're that worried then maybe a trip to the ER would be beneficial for you & for mama & babies just so you can put your mind at ease. I know when my parents had adopted a puppy from a sketchy rescue in December & when she came down with parvo & was hospitalized for 10 days I about lost my mind. I was worried sick. Everyday I had to convince myself that it was one more day that she hasn't died. We spent over $2300 nursing her back to health. And that was with the discount I got from my job at the time. No discount would've been around $6500. She had to get a transfusion in the process. But I prayed every day & God answered my prayers. I can't offer much advice. I'll say a prayer for you guys. Please keep us posted!!
 

mountainfila

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Do not worry, i am with your hubby when he said she laid on it, i just and am still on puppy watch my guys are 3 weeks old today, she had 8 one died at birth and she laid on 2 more. I am not working right now or else i probably would have lost the whole litter, I found my female being a first time mom was sitting up to nurse and then gets all the pups under nursing and then sits there for a bit and then gets tired and lays down on top of them all. With mastiffs being the size they are its hard for a little pup to move after it gets the moms full weight on it, cant breath cant scream cant move. I also had one pup that was just under a pound at 15 oz and did not grow at all, he only gained a 1 oz over the course of two weeks until he just died. My litter also got over fed by the mom, which never in my life have i ever heard of such a thing, their poops started to look like curdled milk, so went to the vet and that is what she found out after talking to other vets with more puppy eperience. So i had to keep the mom away from her pups and only take her into feed them and clean them and then get her out, ask me how fun that is, NOT lol until the poops started to look normal, their little systems were working over time trying to digest the extra milk it just basicaly shuts down and the pup dies from starvation even if it is nursing.

Also newborn pups up to the age of 2 weeks i think it is , can not regulate their body temp, the can not shiver, the mom normally keeps this regulated but if mom can not be present the box must be kept warm, even if the room feels warm the floor of the box may not be, put your hands down at the floor level where they are and make sure it is warm, i find a heat lamp to be the best as a heating pad can cook little pups if the pup gets to warm and cant get away from the heat to cool off, being to warm is just as bad as being to cold. If a pup gets cold it will also slow down digestion, so if a pup gets cold warm it up first before trying to feed it. A heat lamp can be raised if to hot or lowered if to cold, pups should not huddle that means they are cold, they should lay beside each other but not all piled on top of each other.

All my previous litters have been text book, no issues, this is my first female that i have had that has squished pups and i have never had a fading puppy either, that is what they are called when they are born nice and healthy and just seem to fade away after a few days to a couple weeks. So i wouldnt worry to much, just make sure they are warm and make sure the mom has enough space to get away from the pups to lay down so she doesnt accidently lay on them. And dont forget to make sure mom gets extra food and water cause it takes alot to make milk and she will get real skinny if your dont up her intake, my female is only feeding 4 and she has lost alot of weight even after switching to a higher protein and fat content food.

So dont panic, just keep an extra eye on her when home to see how she acts with her pups, that will give you a better idea if you think she is making them to wet or not
 

RxGoforth

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Hypoglycemic. Lost Biscuit. This boy will probably make it though. Nikki and the other magnificent 7 are thriving. Thank you everyone for your thoughts and prayers. The vet said seizures are'nt unheard of in newborn pups. With them being the 2 smallest and getting too cold there were just alot of contributing factors mainly low blood sugar. She said that once the pup is bak to normal the sezures shoud stop. Regardless I am keeping him if he makes it. She also put my fears to rest about losing any more pups. Survival of the fittest and Mother Nature spill. The first pup was just a victim to it's mothers clumsiness and was suffocated. So barring any more accidental suffocations or squashings the other 7 are out of danger. As for now I have 24-7 bottle and bathroom duty on this pup who lives in a heating pad in my bed.
 

raechiemay

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Thanks for the update. Sounds like you got some good news. I bet your little bottle fed baby will have one hell of a bond with you as he gets older. Still praying for you guys!
 

ruthcatrin

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Yup, bottle feeding does things to how they view humans in general and THAT human in particular. He's gonna LUV you!

Glad to hear the others are doing well, and what the vet said!
 

RxGoforth

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That's what the vet said. She said you think the 2 you have are clingy wait until you have bottle fed this one. He still is'nt completely out of the woods one bad sieze could get him. My husband wants to name him Shake n Bake. Seizure/Heating Pad. Told him he is NOT funny.
 

RxGoforth

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I did too while telling him he was'nt funny. It is in fact very funny. He always makes light out of any situation. I just went to Walmart and bought 2 fuzzy electric blankets. gonna bundle up the other 7 wet doggies and put Nikki outside for a bit. She needs a break. She has not taken one. Even started peeing inside to not leave her pups. grrrrrr.
 

ruthcatrin

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I'm told thats not unusual. Put together a box, with the heated rice pillow, that you can take the puppies outside with her.
 

RxGoforth

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Got a snuggler in my shirt. He kept crawling out of the heating pad so I just stuck him in my shirt. I am in love.IMG_20121020_154234.jpg