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pics of our ddb puppy pip 5.5 month's old new pics.....

raechiemay

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Do you have pics of the dogs she said were your pup's parents? Or maybe can you get in contact with anyone that happens to own any of your girl's littermates?
 

NYDDB

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YShe said she was not bred like the short stocky ddb but a more athletic type is this at all possible.

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2nd pic looks identical head

I am sure that is a line she gave you as a defense. I am not aware of there being two lines of DDB being bred (short/stocky vs athletic)...

Not like Field Labs being bred to be distinct from show/bench Labradors...there IS a difference there...
 

grazefull1

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this is also ddb and pit/stuff mixes

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I am sure that is a line she gave you as a defense. I am not aware of there being two lines of DDB being bred (short/stocky vs athletic)...

Not like Field Labs being bred to be distinct from show/bench Labradors...there IS a difference there...

yes there is just like neo,shepherd, and so on there r more well built but the head is always distinct in the breed
 

grazefull1

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I am sure that is a line she gave you as a defense. I am not aware of there being two lines of DDB being bred (short/stocky vs athletic)...

Not like Field Labs being bred to be distinct from show/bench Labradors...there IS a difference there...

yes there is just like neo,shepherd, and so on there r more well built but the head is always distinct in the breed

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raechiemay

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Go here for AKC's description of how a DDB should look: (I know you're not in the US, but this should help)

http://www.akc.org/breeds/dogue_de_bordeaux/index.cf

Piece of history on DDB also through AKC website:

"The Dogue de Bordeaux was once classified into three varieties, the Parisian, the Toulouse and the Bordeaux, types which were bred depending on the region of France and the jobs they were required to do. Ancestral Dogues de Bordeaux had various coat colors, such as brindle and majority of white markings that carried fully up the legs. They had scissor bites in some regions, undershot in others, big heads, small heads, large bodies and small bodies, very inconsistent in type. Another controversial aspect was the mask, red (brown), none or black. The Dogues de Bordeaux of Bordeaux of the time also sported cropped ears, for fighting purposes. Regardless, they all had a general type similar to today's Dogue de Bordeaux."

As you can see, the paragraph above suggests there are 3 different varieties of DDBs. Don't know if that holds true to the Dogues in the US vs. Dogues bred & born in France. Something I'm reading up on now to learn something new.
 

grazefull1

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Go here for AKC's description of how a DDB should look: (I know you're not in the US, but this should help)

http://www.akc.org/breeds/dogue_de_bordeaux/index.cf

Piece of history on DDB also through AKC website:

"The Dogue de Bordeaux was once classified into three varieties, the Parisian, the Toulouse and the Bordeaux, types which were bred depending on the region of France and the jobs they were required to do. Ancestral Dogues de Bordeaux had various coat colors, such as brindle and majority of white markings that carried fully up the legs. They had scissor bites in some regions, undershot in others, big heads, small heads, large bodies and small bodies, very inconsistent in type. Another controversial aspect was the mask, red (brown), none or black. The Dogues de Bordeaux of Bordeaux of the time also sported cropped ears, for fighting purposes. Regardless, they all had a general type similar to today's Dogue de Bordeaux."

As you can see, the paragraph above suggests there are 3 different varieties of DDBs. Don't know if that holds true to the Dogues in the US vs. Dogues bred & born in France. Something I'm reading up on now to learn something new.

http://www.akc.org/breeds/dogue_de_bordeaux/index.cfm

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well do what you feel is right take time to think it through
 

jenny adams

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i would feed for the one side you know adjust if she gets to big/a bit fat by the size she is now looks like she will be as big as her mum i would get the test then confront the breeder if she dos not give you a refund you could tack her to trading standers as she sold you the puppy that is not as described eg she stated it was full ddb and it is not
not don't give up you little girl she is part of you family now
 

Roansdad

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Do you have anything besides her work stating she sold you a full DDB?? I mean if push comes to shove do you have anything on paper to back that you were mislead?
 

Mooshi's Mummy

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More than anything I would look at having the blood tests done to prove she is NOT pit or pit mix, for legal reasons. I think we can pretty much safely say she is not 100% DDB but I would be very inclined to play it safe. The law here is VERY strict on dogs that just 'look' like a Pit and it is down to the owner to prove that they are not. WTF if you are not aware of the law please get these tests done and get reading up on it. There have been one or two pretty high profile cases in the UK recently that did not have a happy ending. One of which was a staff/lab that was PTS just because the owner count not prove he was not a Pit. His name was Lennox, he was in Northern Ireland and its all over google. Please safeguard your baby and get the tests done, if for no other reason that peace of mind.

As for the breeder you got your baby from, I think you may have a hard time there. If it were me I would want my money back but there is no way on the face of this earth I would give the puppy back. If you paid for a pure DDB and did not get one then she has wrongly advertised and misled you, than in my opinion is breaking the law. I would ask her to pay for the blood tests and if it comes back 100% DDB then you (and us) are wrong and you pay her back for the blood tests and you can sleep easy and stick your tongue out at us. :p If we are all rignt in our thoughts she is not 100% DDB as sold then also ask for your money back.
 
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mcarrel

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She said she was not bred like the short stocky ddb but a more athletic type is this at all possible.

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No it's not possible IMHO. The fact she said you could get your money back if people said she wasn't a Dogue de Bordeaux and also says she is not bred as a stocky Dogue de Bordeaux but and "athletic type" tells me she knew she was defrauding you from the get go. Because those statements say to me she knew the dog would never bear a resemblance to a Dogue de Bordeaux because that's not what the dog was. I have seen some poorly bred dogues but even with too big of underbites smallish heads or whatever other faults they have you can see the dogue de Bordeaux in them. Pip as beautiful as she is looks like Am Staff x Dogue de bordeaux I have seen in rescue.
 
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wtf1111

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Yeah she is amazing I will contact her and suggest she pays for blood tests. There is no way on earth she is taking pip back. Me and my girlfriend have worked so had training her and we fee the same about her as people do with there kids. Really appreciate all opinions aswell and we love her for who she is.

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Also the body and her manerisms are the same as ddb it's uncanny.
 

musicdeb

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I agree, have breeder pay for DNA test. If it comes back Pip is not a full bred DDB, ask for 1/2 of your money back or even go as far as asking for all of it because you were mislead.
 

DennasMom

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hold the phone... "pit bulls" are not legal in the UK, correct?

So... what happens IF the DNA comes back with some "pit bull" in the mix?? What happens to the dog??

Talk to the breeder and let them know you want a DNA test - if that scares them, get some money back and do NOT test the dog's DNA - leave him as "full DDB" to anyone who asks (as your breeder told you). You do not want proof that there IS "pit bull" in his DNA. If a DNA test doesn't scare them, have them pay for the test so you have proof it is not a "pit bull" mix for any potential future legal issues.

There are many different lines within breeds, right? Could be this breeder selected for less wrinkles and the longer nose...

Then, forget about the whole thing and just love your sweet puppy!!!
 

wtf1111

Member
Yeah was thinking the same she has a dog training school at her house with ramps etc a ddb mum her teets were big ie just gave birth and had ddb statutes at her gates and even told me to feed chicken breast raw mince tripe loaf etc. And don't worry she is loved she's just had her treats ha