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this is my first whelping

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bonesnsasha

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Woops that booty shaking was suppose to be at the end! LOL Sorry smart I know off topic! I won't let it happen again captian I promise! Well....
 

Mamie2shoes

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what's sad is that you'd rather preach and judge, than offer constructive information

ok, I was pulling for you dujac. I was really hoping that the thread would offer help and you would get all of your answers for a success story and happy, healthy pups. I was even willing to go with the thought that this was a one time thing and you would be careful. I am an ever optimist and always look for the bright side. However, the reality is, the people HAVE been offering constructive information. They may have offered it in a different way than you wanted to hear. And some of the comments may not have been needed, I agree. However, a good idea is a good idea, no matter what. The truth of the matter is, you don't WANT to hear. I have never bred before nor do I ever plan to due to the amount of responsibility it requires and the amount of money that goes with it. I have researched breeding only this week because of this thread and have come to realize that with just a weeks worth of looking, you are seriously missing key elements. I don't know what you are calling research, but asking a couple of questions here and there, watching a birthing video or two, and finding a stud do NOT qualify. According to AKC, you have not done your due diligence either. I simply looked up their requirements and you have missed some key components. The testing is not just a suggestion. I love my dog dearly. She gets the best of everything, and I paid out of pocket to get things checked out by a specialist. I drove to another city also just to get a second opinion and then have surgery to correct a problem. And she is simply a companion pet. Yes, you have bred your dog, you are a breeder. It may be a one time thing, but you are. If you have 1 child or 15, you are still a mother. Now, the people on this sight have bent over backwards to help and because you didn't get want you were seeking, you are now throwing a tantrum. Grow up!!!!! I don't take my car to a mechanic asking why it makes a funny noise, than call him a dictating, judgmental fascist because I think it's something else. Some of these people ARE REAL breeders, or vet techs, and have poured themselves into the care of their fur babies. Constructive information was offered, you just don't like it. So, do us all a favor and stop your tantrum. Either go back and reread all of the helpful info, or don't. But quit attacking us!!!!!! I swear, for a 53 year old, you act like a 7yr old know it all that just wants to argue.
And thanks a lot Smart, that song is stuck in my head now.:p

now can this thread just die already?? and yes bones, muffin talk sounds great
 

bullyBug

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I'm new here also and didn't understand the "stop the attacks " comment but it could have been taken several ways. Maybe bullyBug was pointing out that these were positive comments? Is that what you meant? They were meant that way. They weren't meant as attacks I mean.

Yes it was sarcasm, sorry for the confusion Joy. I was just trying to illustrate that anything directed towards the OP is viewed as an attack. Especially if your post contain vicious words like "health testing" and "responsibility." Fascist attacking bunch we are for saying people should try to breed healthy, sound puppies.
 

JoyfulW1

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no problem, I try not to jump to conclusions but think the best of people. Too easy to take offense and life is too short. kinda wish this thread would have been! :p
 

dujac

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To summarise, we started with an OP, preparing for her first litter, who had done some reading and watched videos, yet asked for fundamental information such as good sources of fat for the lactating Mom's diet. She appeared to have limited information on health testing and how/where to have it done.

you have no clue what you're talking about

you turned an opportunity to exchange information into a sermon on the moralities of reichstag breeding and the disgusting consequences of not following its dictates



Yes it was sarcasm, sorry for the confusion Joy. I was just trying to illustrate that anything directed towards the OP is viewed as an attack. Especially if your post contain vicious words like "health testing" and "responsibility." Fascist attacking bunch we are for saying people should try to breed healthy, sound puppies.

my puppies are quite healthy, fat, happy and the mother is getting a top notch diet including supplements

anything not pertinent to the mother and puppies' heath over the next two months is not constructive input
 
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Mamie2shoes

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no dujac, there are just simple rules and guidelines that are best to follow and you have simply chosen not to follow them. And it was not an opportunity to exchange information, it was one party(you) asking for help. No one asked for your help, so no exchange. They simply answered you. But yes there are consequences for those who ask for help and then shun it, they get called out on it. :(
 

dujac

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it was one party(you) asking for help.

i asked for constructive input, not attacks

and the vet assures me that i'm breaking no rules, breeders even say grace is healthy and there's no reason that a person shouldn't be able to have a litter of puppies from a beloved companion, they certainly understand i'm not a breeder

the mother and puppies aren't suffering any consequences, they're eating, growing, sleeping, snuggling, swimming around and otherwise enjoying life

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Mamie2shoes

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ok, so this is an actual interest question about the outcome of the puppies lives, is there going to be a breeders contract regarding the spaying/neutering of these dogs? About returning them to you if the new owners can not/will not keep them? They are beautiful little pups. Just a curiosity, are they being moved out of the way when Gracie is up and walking?? I only ask because major problems can occur on accident if she were to accidentally step on one. I have a pup with such injuries and yikes they are expensive to fix.
 

JoyfulW1

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Grace's teets look pretty red!? maybe that's just the picture? is she ok? I am still asking the same question, I thought was an honest one and after investing the time reading this thread all the way through deserves an answer. Why after all the research you did did you decide to dismiss the idea of testing for any of the things mentioned so quickly and take such an oppositional stance to it apart from being angry at those you felt attacked by?
 

northernmastiff

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Nothernmastiff are you still here? I would love to be able to chat with you apart from this situation.

Yes, I am still here. You can message me. I was out at a farmer's market this morning. Hate seeing the puppies that they sell. Just sad but that is something else.
 

Jadotha

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@ Joyful...just click on Private Messages at the top of the page, it will take you to your message board. Scroll down and you will see an option for sending new messages.

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@ Mamie

If you go back to pages 4 and 5, after Dujak was emphatic about not countenancing any further discussion about health testing, Bonesnsasha, Northernmastiff and I moved on to attempt to help with placing the puppies, and suggested writing contracts which would include provisions important for the long term protection and welfare of the puppies: spaying/neutering, barring resale of the puppies -- obligating the buyer to return a puppy to Dujak if the buyer was unable/unwilling to keep it during its life-time and so on. Northernmastiff also posed questions that (I thought) were ones a knowledgable puppy buyer would/should be asking. You can read for yourself the responses we all received.

I shared the experience of a novice breeder friend of mine who did not require spaying/neutering on Limited Registration puppies and did not use contracts. The outcomes were painful for her, the puppies, and heartbreaking for me. I would gather this is the " sermon on the moralities of reichstag breeding and the disgusting consequences of not following its dictates" referenced by Dujak
 

bullyBug

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anything not pertinent to the mother and puppies' heath over the next two months is not constructive input

Is it OK to note that they don't seem to have any identification? In the first link I gave you it talks about identifying puppies in order to keep track of their development. You should be weighing them every day. A slight drop in weight or slowed weight gain is going to be your earliest indicator that something is wrong. The handling they get during their weigh ins will also do wonders for socialization and early neurological stimulation. You can also trim their nails at the same time.

How are you going about finding homes for them?
 
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