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6 month old aggression

tattooedmomma

New Member
HelloI am new to this page and am needing some ideas or suggestions for my 6 month olds aggression. My French mastiff is a male and his name is Riddick. I have three kids at home from ages 3-9. If I try to discipline my dog he gets more aggressive. He knows my husband is the pack leader so he ALWAYS listens or knows his place in the house but when I am home with my three kids its a totally different situation. Riddick growls and bites me when I walk through the house... I am not sure if he is trying to get a reaction out of me but when I tell him NO he gets more aggressive. He knows how to sit on command but when he starts this behavior he just barks back pretty much telling me off. He will get to the point of jumping to try to bite my arm. If I bend down to his level he will stop and let me pet him but the moment I am up again its back to the same thing.He also will do the same to my children and when one starts crying it seems like it has no effect on him (which I have never seen in a dog before, usually a cry makes them concerned of some sort) I have tried to tell my kids they can bolt out and run cause he immediately will trample them over. Like I have said I have tried many techniques that other mastiff friends and trainers have mentioned but nothing is working.... On that note I will mention when we bought him at 7 weeks old we were not told he was the dominate puppy till the moment we picked him up. How do I get him to respect me and know I am too the leaderThanks
 

Bruschi

New Member
Is Riddick doing this in a playful manner or is he simply being aggressive. The reason I ask is that we have a 6 month old as well. He tends to nip and bite when he gets over excitied, not in a mean way but more that he cant control his excitement. We have found that telling him not to bite in a very calm controlled voice has helped relax his excitement. Of course easier said than done while you are being bit, but it has worked well. Im sure others with more experience will have some advise as well
 
Sounds like it could be more playful excitement than aggression. Specially at that age. Still a pup. I would suggest watching some youtube videos. Some of my favorites are Kikopup, ZakGeorge, and Solid K9 Training to name a few. Glasgow Dog Trainer also has some good vids. Sounds like the pup just needs more rules, structure, and training in his life administered by the adults first (both of them), and then try including the kids (not the ones to young to understand the training exercises and handle the puppy safely).
 

Hector

Well-Known Member
Time to take some obedience classes together and perhaps hire a trainer to help you.
 

teodora

Well-Known Member
Probably he's just playing rough - he's just a pup. Now the girls are kinda jumpy (same age) but they don't push the limits.
 

Wilsy

Well-Known Member
I'm not a fan of the whole dominance / pack leader stuff. People quite often say they got the dominant puppy from the litter and its like an excuse for having a badly behaved dog. You just need to find what gets the response or behaviour you want from your dog. From the information you have given it does sound like he is over excited / playful rather than aggressive. We went through a similar thing with our DDB Wilson where he nipped and growled. Giving him any attention, even telling him off actually encouraged this type of behaviour and he would bark back at us. So we decided that if giving him attention made it worse then maybe not giving him attention would make it better. So, for example, Wilson would start pulling on my jeans and growling. I would first give him a warning which we did with a negative 'ah ah' noise. If he continued then I then either shut him out of the room or walked out of the room shutting the door behind me and left him alone for a few minutes (literally less than 5) so he could calm down. Then when I opened the door again I wouldn't give him a fuss straight away (as it could start the excitement again), I would just carry on with what I had been doing. It's kinda like time out for children and worked for our DDB. I don't know if you have tried this but if not its worth a go.
 

Hiraeth

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I'll try to keep this as short as I can while being as helpful as possible. Firstly, pack theory is scientifically debunked. Your dog does not view anyone in the house as "dominant", nor as an "alpha". He knows you are humans and not dogs. If the dog listens better to your husband, it's either because your husband has spent more time working on positive training with him, or your husband has used strongly corrective training and the dog knows that disobeying means being punished.

Here are a few pieces of advice based on what you have described:

1. Your puppy most likely isn't aggressive. Sounds like he's a puppy and he plays rough. Aggressive characteristics are when a dog growls or bites at inappropriate or unpredictable times. So if he was calm and then you went to pet him and he lowered his head and growled, that's a sign of him being uncomfortable and fearful or aggressive. If you're near his food and he lowers his head and growls, that's resource guarding (which can turn into aggression). Biting and growling during play is NOT aggressive, unless he suddenly latches on to your arms, won't let go and draws blood.

2. It sounds to me like your method of training involves a lot of correction. Correcting a puppy without reinforcing a behavior you DO want is fairly useless. Yelling "no" constantly will get you ignored (as you are currently experiencing). When he goes to bite you or your children, grab a toy and redirect him to the toy. Praise him when he plays with the toy.

I got a great piece of advice once - "there are a thousand things you don't want your dog to do (nipping, eliminating in the house, chewing on furniture, dragging you on the leash, etc) and about 50 things you actually want your dog to do (walk well on a leash, play politely, not jump on you, etc). It's MUCH easier to train your dog to DO 50 things versus training him to NOT DO a thousand". So work on commands that directly contradict the behavior you want to eliminate. When a dog is sitting, he can't jump. So train a good solid "sit" and work on the dog sitting while it greets strangers to avoid jumping.

That being said, when your puppy is overstimulated and mouthing, sometimes no amount of commands or positive reinforced behaviors are going to get through. In this scenario, the best thing to do is to have a kiddie gate set up that you and your kids can step over to separate yourselves from the puppy, or to walk out of the room and shut the door until the puppy calms. When you say you bend down and pet him and he stops but then he starts again when you stand, it's because you have taught him that biting and growling gets him positive attention. He needs to learn that jumping and nipping means that all fun ends. Instead of yelling "no" at him, which is still giving him attention, ignore him and remove yourself from his reach.

3. 7 weeks is very young to bring home a puppy. I don't know any breeders I consider "reputable" who allow puppies to leave the litter sooner than 8 weeks. During their time with their litter, puppies learn the beginnings of bite inhibition by interacting with their litter mates. So it sounds like you have a difficult, overexcited puppy who was removed from his litter a little bit too early and hasn't been given any positive direction, only negative correction.

4. It sounds like a trainer could definitely be of use to you and your family. Please avoid trainers who use words like "dominant", "alpha", "pack leader", etc. Those trainers will teach you aversive methods that will repress your dog's negative behavior, but not eliminate it or teach him how to behave. Repressed dogs are dogs who develop unpredictable behaviors as they age. You need a trainer who will teach you how to work WITH your dog, to develop a healthy relationship with him that is based on positive training, not negative reinforcement.

He will grow out of some of these behaviors as he matures, but as with any dog, particularly giant breeds, it is very important to begin early and regular training so that you don't end up with a 120 lb adolescent dog who has no manners.

This is a fabulous article by Denise Fenzi, an amazing trainer, about puppies. It's a great read for anyone who has children and a puppy: Its a Puppy, not a Problem! | denisefenzipetdogs
 

CeeCee

Well-Known Member
The only thing I would add to advice you've already received is to check your energy. If you are unsure or are giving commands in hopes that Riddick will obey, he knows you are not serious. When I say "serious," I'm not talking about being angry or forceful in your commands - just calmly confident in yourself, in what you expect AND your commitment to follow through until you achieve what you are looking for. Again, this is not harsh or physical, it is patient and shaping. He's on the cusp of his adolescence and he is going to test the boundaries and your seriousness aka your leadership. Dominance, Alpha, and Pack, I think are widely misunderstood and misused terms. Our dogs are not looking to be dominated, but I do believe they are looking for a leader. I believe, similar to a child, they are asking the questions, "who is the one who is going to show me how our pack operates?", "who is going to keep me safe?", and "where does my food come from?" Suzanne Clothier has a great article on leadership Leadership Basics | Suzanne Clothier.
 

DennasMom

Well-Known Member
I'll pick on one thing you mentioned.... the puppy growls and barks at you, so you look at him, say "NO", then bend down and pet him... as soon as you stand up again, he starts barking at nipping at you again... so... are you rewarding his barking/nipping behavior by stopping to pet him?? And, he's barking and growing and nipping to get your attention and another pet (reward)??

6 months old is still toddler mentality... he's doing what he's doing because IT WORKS. He's getting rewarded for it, somehow. You just have to figure out what he's considering a 'reward' (normally ANY attention is a reward at this age)... and reverse it!

I would try another tactic... when he gets barky and nippy... put him in his crate for a time out.

When not in the crate (or somewhere 'safe'), keep him leashed to you, so when the kids RUN past him, you can control his reaction, and reward him for NOT chasing after them.

Give the puppy a job... "supervising from the dog bed" is a good job for a puppy.
Make sure the puppy gets good, adequate exercise, lots of nap time and lots of rewards (pets, treats) when he's being CALM.

Then.... watch how your husband acts with the puppy... what does he do that you aren't doing? Make sure the husband supports YOU when you tell the puppy to do something (and hubby is there).

And, of course, get enrolled in some training classes and/or hire a trainer to help you work with your puppy. I like group classes for puppies - it's good social time, the puppy learns how to behave around other dogs and people, and you get cost-effective training as owners, too. Some will want the kids to come, while others may want the kids only at a few select classes (depending on the age of the kids).

Enjoy your puppy!!
 

Hiraeth

Well-Known Member
Hiraeth, glad to see you here!

Thanks :) I'm a long time lurker, finally decided to join up just the other day.

Great post Hiraeth. And excelent article you linked

Thank you. I love that Fenzi article. I think it helps people transition from the thought process of treating a puppy like a dog to treating it like a baby. No one expects babies to be perfect, and a puppy is just another baby mammal, so expecting immediate understanding or perfection from them is unrealistic.

I've encountered with giant breeds in particular that because they're large even when they're babies (my GD is 68 lbs and 26" tall at 4.5 months), that people tend to transition from treating them like puppies to treating them like adults long before they're actually adults, simply because their size implies maturity while their brains are still very puppy-like. It's hard to step back and realize that giant needle tooth-filled mouth is attached to a baby, sometimes :)