Aggressive/Biting Cane Corso

[Boxergirl]

Hiraeth's advice is spot-on. She has a lot of experience in this area and I can't think of anything that she hasn't covered.

 

[marke]

I can tell you at 9 months you got a baby , wait till 18-24months , not done properly you may find out what a dangerous dog is ....... if they have him for that long ....... the fact he's gotten away with a few aggressive bites already tells me he probably will have a short life ........ i'd find a well recommended trainer with experience with dogs like American bulldogs , to train the dog and the owners ................ imo , the pup your describing needs more than internet dog training ........... I've had friends and many acquaintances that intentionally produced man biting/fighting dogs , I seriously doubt a whole lot of folks have actually dealt with them , most get put down ................. rank within social groups is an indisputable reality regardless of what the "experts" say ............. a dog willing to fight over a bone has little to nothing to do with fear , I've had dogs couldn't have them unless in a pen by themselves , and they feared nothing ......... the pup you describe sounds to me like he needs a responsible dedicated owner .........

 

[brandon1234]

That's what I'm afraid of tbh. And the reason I am here. I don't want to see me, the dog, or anybody else get hurt in this situation. And I most certainly don't want to see them have to put down their dog. I'm trying my very best to find the problem and discover a solution as quickly as possible. It's what will save everyone a lot of heartache.

 

[marke]

find someone to teach you , your friend , and her family to teach and handle the dog .......... it's without question doable , i'd say it's imperative for the dog .....

 

[brandon1234]

Ok I will pass the message on. Thank all of you again! This forum and you guys are extremely helpful, very glad I found it.

 

[Hector]

Find a professional trainer! You might not like the first trainer or the next, keep shopping around. This dog needs a complete attitude adjustment. He is already exhibiting dangerous behavior. He is bossy and thinks he runs the house and has no respect for anyone. In the meantime take away all his freedom. Look up NILF (nothing in life is free). Begin crate training. Limit your affection. If he knows any basic commands, you need to make sure to follow through on those commands. Usually these types of dogs are easy to turn around, but they need a firm and consistent owner has the ability to control a dog like this and can commit to supervision and management throughout his life.

 

[Iulicris88]

I disagree with what was said. A corso is going to test mine is around 10 months, the facts are it's my house my rules period. I have put my dog on the ground recently because he suddenly decided he would jump on me I have taught him from day one that was unacceptable. I have children 8 and 9 years old. He is also never ever to put him mouth on me or anyone in the family ever. If the dog is being aggressive over items you need to let him know it's yours and it's up to you when he has it. Make him sit and wait or put in on a table in front of you because it is yours. Him climbing on you is showing dominance. Do not allow it. Another thing that works is making the dog stay away from you and the family pack. Being outed also reinforces who is the leader. I completely disagree with the other view here. They are dogs they speak through their body and understand their is a leader and naturally test to be alpha. You have to take this spot, people try to make an animal understand and think as we do but they are animals. Corsos are large and powerful and do a lot of damage quickly. Mine is 100 lbs just last week we got a 1 lb yorki puppy. He tried to bully the pup but I have to let him know it's my place to assign who is where in the pack and all are equal but definitely below me.

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Please stop giving bad advice to people. I have a 15 months cc and never have I had been in a situation where I has to "assert my dominance with him". I don't beat him, I don't alpha roll him, I don't think he should be afraid of me. He doesn't try to dominate me or other people in my family. Him and my 2 year old nephew sleep cuddled together, although there's a almost 50 kg difference between them. Before him I had a Rottweiler and a GSD. Both were amazing, loving dogs, despite never been shown "who the boss is". Dogs respond to love and clear boundaries, just like children. What you suggest is scaring the dog into obeying you. This is not education, it's bullying.

 

[Brady19]

It isn't bad advice I don't beat my dog and he isn't afraid of me. You don't understand that a dog respects and needs a leader period. And frankly if your putting out info saying ask the dog to do things because your friends that is bad information and I can only hope you don't end up in a situation where someone gets hurt because your dog sees himself as your leader

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[Brady19]

If you don't think that a dog that is growling when moved or taking "his" stuff and biting people in the face isn't asserting dominance and clearly needs to be shown he isn't in charge, this would make you a bad owner. Just because you have never dealt with dominance with your dog doesn't mean your way of being besties is what works. You just happen to have a mellow dog. Mine is dog aggressive even after months of socialization. And when he even sees another dog on a walk he wants to fight. I have to assert my dominance and tell him he can not attack every dog he sees. These are beasts first before friends and capable of killing people and other animals. Imagine that dog that thinks it's ok to bite you in the face what is to stop him doing it to a child or actually deciding to do serious damage to you. Keep your politically correct nonsense to yourself. Your more worried about hiring your dog's feelings than possibly not only saving the dogs life but someone else's life also. And frankly this dog could already be put down with more than one assault.

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[Brady19]

Alpha theory has been debunked for a very long time. Even the scientist who originally wrote the theory, David Mech, has said it was wrong, and has repeatedly asked his publishers to stop publishing his work.

Dogs who are treated with violence are likely to respond with violence. Dogs who are treated with understanding and given clear and consistent rules respond with respect and obedience.

I don't have to put my dogs on the ground to teach them who is boss. I have two intact male Great Danes, a 140 lb. 18 month old and a 160 lb. 11 month old. I've never laid a hand on either one, and I've never had to, because I don't require the use of violence to communicate with animals, nor do I enjoy hurting them in order to satisfy my own desire for superiority.

If you continue your research, it states in most cases there is a breeding male and female that didn't fight for their place in the pack. And that others when mature will leave to start their own packs. Also even in said pack there is a pecking order first to eat, showing dominance in play or eye contact. But in mixed family packs they do often fight for alpha position. Or in packs with multiple bedding females like in yellowstone there will be an alpha female. You are talking pieces of facts to make an example that is the problem with science you can prove any point armed with the correct info and neglecting others. Hence science is always changing never stable. Have you ever had any involvement with wolf packs. And almost every social mammal has a leader it's nessary for survival. To many chiefs is always a mistake. People look up the definition of dominance it has nothing to do with abuse, you can have power and control over something workout being abusive. Even in most families there is a leader stop trying to impose your opinions of how things should be with actual fact of how things ate

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[Iulicris88]

No offense, but you have some serious anger issues. Please keep a civil tone, this forum is not your back yard. It's obvious that you and me have different opinions on what a dog is and how it's training should be approached, so I'm not going to bother arguing with you.

If you don't think that a dog that is growling when moved or taking "his" stuff and biting people in the face isn't asserting dominance and clearly needs to be shown he isn't in charge, this would make you a bad owner. Just because you have never dealt with dominance with your dog doesn't mean your way of being besties is what works. You just happen to have a mellow dog. Mine is dog aggressive even after months of socialization. And when he even sees another dog on a walk he wants to fight. I have to assert my dominance and tell him he can not attack every dog he sees. These are beasts first before friends and capable of killing people and other animals. Imagine that dog that thinks it's ok to bite you in the face what is to stop him doing it to a child or actually deciding to do serious damage to you. Keep your politically correct nonsense to yourself. Your more worried about hiring your dog's feelings than possibly not only saving the dogs life but someone else's life also. And frankly this dog could already be put down with more than one assault.

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[Brady19]

I'm not showing any anger there, I'm simply stating facts and trying to help this fella to prevent a disaster. I'm sorry if you take a disagreement as an attack. And not once was my tone uncivil lol. And your right we very clearly disagree on what a dog is as I said it's a beast first and a friend second. One day your understanding may change of you come across a dominant dog that needs a dominant leader. Even the AKC states this breed isn't for new owners with no experience and states they need a strong leader. But like I said I have nothing to prove to you just trying to give appropriate guidance to possibly save a dog and might even save a life

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[Boxergirl]

This is a good, easy, and informative read about dominance and dog training.
https://apdt.com/pet-owners/choosing-a-trainer/dominance/

 

[Hiraeth]

If you continue your research, it states in most cases there is a breeding male and female that didn't fight for their place in the pack. And that others when mature will leave to start their own packs. Also even in said pack there is a pecking order first to eat, showing dominance in play or eye contact. But in mixed family packs they do often fight for alpha position. Or in packs with multiple bedding females like in yellowstone there will be an alpha female. You are talking pieces of facts to make an example that is the problem with science you can prove any point armed with the correct info and neglecting others. Hence science is always changing never stable. Have you ever had any involvement with wolf packs. And almost every social mammal has a leader it's nessary for survival. To many chiefs is always a mistake. People look up the definition of dominance it has nothing to do with abuse, you can have power and control over something workout being abusive. Even in most families there is a leader stop trying to impose your opinions of how things should be with actual fact of how things ate

Why are you comparing dogs to wolves, is the real question here? That's where dominance theory has derived from, and my whole point is that they aren't wolves. We have domesticated them to the point that they no longer have many things in common behaviorally with their very ancient ancestors. What do you think would happen if you tried to alpha roll a wolf? It would kill you. And then eat parts of you. It certainly wouldn't respect you as being dominant to it. Your dogs allow that type of behavior because they aren't wolves.

You can be a leader without instilling violence or fear into a dog. I'm a leader - my dogs obey my commands and are well-behaved. They listen to me because they WANT to, because I'm fair, because I never hurt them, because I don't scare them, because I don't punish them when they do something wrong.

You are a bully. Your dogs listen to you because you use coercion and violence. They listen to you because they HAVE to, because you can be unfair, because you have hurt them, because you scare them, and because you punish them.

What type of relationship is healthier, both for the human and the dog? My dogs *willingly* give me their resources. They recall to me away from high distraction triggers. I can put a piece of steak in front of my dogs, tell them to sit, stay, and leave the room and come back five minutes later, and they'll be sitting and the steak will be on the floor. All without ever using a punishment. And this is *all* of the dogs I've owned, not just Danes.

You want to work with something tough - get a 7 month old Shepherd mix who has a bite history, resource guards to the point of extreme violence, and who put a child in the hospital needing reconstructive facial surgery. That was my last dog. He grew into a 115 lb dog - if you had tried to alpha roll him, he would have ripped you to pieces. And yet, miraculously, I took a case that no one else was willing to touch and he turned into a great dog. All because I understood that he wasn't being dominant, I never tried to intimidate him or scare him into behaving, and I trained with some of the methods I recommended to OP.

Iulicris88 is 100% correct in saying that your methods are dangerous. If the OP tried to alpha roll the CC he's dealing with, he'd likely end up in the hospital. Your advice is given with complete disregard to the safety of the people involved. The OP needs to avoid confronting the dog and to hire a professional trainer.

 

[Brady19]

Dominance doesnt in any translation of the word have violence fear or abuse. You are completely twisting what I say. Also if you don't think dogs show signs of dominance you are mistaken as my 60lb female pit eats first chooses the toys she wants and corrects my 100lb corso. I have had Shepard/husky my whole life. I have had dogs with dog aggression. Cat aggression, and even a dog that was very nervous around children. My dogs are not afraid of me. Like I said AKC states to be a strong leader I guess you would know better than they would. Typical people attack and assume putting words and meaning where they don't belong. I have wasted enough time. Yes buddy your answer to fixing your problem according to these clowns is give him treats. Don't know about you bit that sure sounds like that dog is training you. Good luck with this foolishness of my besties approach. I recommend you look into a group on Fb cane corso breed discuss and not listen to these two.

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[Hiraeth]

Dominance doesnt in any translation of the word have violence fear or abuse. You are completely twisting what I say. Also if you don't think dogs show signs of dominance you are mistaken as my 60lb female pit eats first chooses the toys she wants and corrects my 100lb corso. I have had Shepard/husky my whole life. I have had dogs with dog aggression. Cat aggression, and even a dog that was very nervous around children. My dogs are not afraid of me. Like I said AKC states to be a strong leader I guess you would know better than they would. Typical people attack and assume putting words and meaning where they don't belong. I have wasted enough time. Yes buddy your answer to fixing your problem according to these clowns is give him treats. Don't know about you bit that sure sounds like that dog is training you. Good luck with this foolishness of my besties approach. I recommend you look into a group on Fb cane corso breed discuss and not listen to these two.

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Directing people away from the knowledgeable people on this forum, of which I am one of many, to get advice elsewhere is very classless. Not to mention a violation of forum rules, which ask you to be a "positive, contributing member of the forum".

Asking members to leave and go elsewhere is neither positive, nor contributing to this community.

 

[Brady19]

It would be iresponsible not to direct people from listening to you who attack people and put words in the mouths of people because you disagree. You have continued to compare dominance with abuse that is pure ignorance. You disagree one should be a leader over their dog? Yep for the safety of the dog and the public look into other info. And frankly for you to say it's against the rules to suggest someone getting further guidance outside your influence is iresponsible as well. Just because you don't agree with me it means my opinion is negative or non contributing. Lol your trying to show dominance in this group and we are to believe you don't show the same to your dog.

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[Hiraeth]

Oh geez. So now because I tell you that directing members elsewhere is not being a productive member of this community, I must alpha roll my dogs!

Is that number behind your name your age? You certainly are acting like it. I never called you abusive, or used the word 'abuse', so who is putting words in the mouth of whom?

I think your opinion is negative and non-contributing (and so do the others who have responded to this thread), because it could directly lead to a severe bite situation.

 

[marke]

as far as dominance/hierarchy among animals that live in social groups , it's a no-brainer to understand it's how a social group functions ...... as far as the "experts" have debuked it , i think not ....... how can something so obviously a fact be "debunked" ? didn't mech say one particular blogger misrepresented him in saying he didn't believe in social dominance ? and he had to obviously have witnessed physical domination , if he didn't , he just didn't know what he was seeing ........this paper is from 2010 , if he believed any different prior to 2010, then i knew more than him ........... I've been watching a single family of dogs for the last 25 yrs and 8 generations ................


https://www.dogtraining.world/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/mech2010.pdf
Mech, L. David, and H. Dean Cluff. 2010. Prolonged intensive dominance behavior between Gray Wolves, Canis lupus. Canadian Field-Naturalist 124(3): 215–218.


Dominance is one of the most pervasive and important behaviors among wolves in a pack, yet its significance in free-ranging packs has been little studied. Insights into a behavior can often be gained by examining unusual examples of it. In the High Arctic near Eureka, Nunavut, Canada, we videotaped and described an unusually prolonged and intensive behavioral bout between an adult male Gray Wolf (Canis lupus) and a male member of his pack, thought to be a maturing son. With tail raised, the adult approached a male pack mate about 50 m from us and pinned and straddled this packmate repeatedly over 6.5 minutes, longer than we had ever seen in over 50 years of studying wolves. We interpreted this behavior as an extreme example of an adult wolf harassing a maturing offspring, perhaps in prelude to the offspring’s dispersal.

 

[marke]