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aggressive or dominant puppy

alzm

New Member
Good evening friends,

As expected the beautiful life with a cc also brings challenges in our lives.

My 2,5 m old CC bites the living out of everything that he doesent like; being it me trying to pull him by the collar, or another member of the family gently ( he is a pup) slapping his butt or muzzle when he nibbles on stuff.

Currently i tried pinning him down for stating my alpha loud and clear, which left me with 4 púncture wounds on my right arm ( very impressive strength and agility for a puppy) and a lot of scratch marks.
He has been with us for 2 weeks now, so we are still fighting over alpha mail privileges i guess. But i would like to get some info and do whatever it takes to get the best out of my cc.


Sincerely yours.
ALZM
 

Smokeycat

Well-Known Member
One thing I have learned with my EM is how sensitive he can be. He tends to quit what he is doing now just by my saying 'Kryten no'. My guess is that your approach may be too aggressive for your pup. Since he is only a couple of months old you likely don't need to worry about who the top male is, at this point you automatically are. Biting and nipping at this age are most likely his way of playing and by slapping him he is getting the idea that rough play is ok since you 'bite' back. I have used the techniques of yelping or saying ow in a high pitched voice, separating myself from the puppy and holding the puppy's mouth until he stops biting and is trying to get his mouth out of my hand. All of these are gentle ways of teaching a puppy that biting causes him to lose what he wants (your attention/a playmate/his freedom) instead of it being a game.

I can understand your frustration and pain from a biting puppy. I got my first dog at 6 weeks and he had no bite inhibition. It took a couple of months before he fully understood that biting was bad but with patience and training it does get better.

With regards to the alpha roll by training your pup so that he obeys your commands you will have established yourself as the boss so that when the wonderful teenage period hits reminding him that you're the boss will be easier. Good luck and enjoy your puppy.
 

musicdeb

Well-Known Member
He is a puppy and he is going to bite. You need to re-direct his biting to toys such as nylabone, kong with treats, cold/frozen wash cloths, ice cubes or dog ropes.

Hitting the dog will cause him to become fear aggressive. You really shouldn't hit a dog.

Again, being a puppy he will bite. Teach him to stop by saying a very loud OWWW or NO. When he stops biting, reward him with praise "good boy"

Turning any dog on their back can have repercussions and affects that you will not be happy with.

He's only been with you for 2 weeks. It can take a dog about 6-8 months to completely trust you and know that you are the so-called master.

Please keep us posted on the baby's progress.

Having a puppy requires a LOT of patience and consistency with proper training. Slapping and pinning down a dog is not training.
 

Jadotha

Well-Known Member
Your puppy[FONT=&quot] is being playful, not willfully aggressive or disobedient, and I would stop using 'dominance' techniques such as hitting, holding him down ( or trying an 'alpha role') which are counterproductive. Dominance and 'alpha' theory -- based on early flawed observations of captive wolves -- have been debunked. As Musicdeb says, if you use them, you can create a dog who submits out of fear -- versus respect and trust -- and at some point is likely to lash back.

If he gets into, and nibbles on stuff he shouldn't, tell him no, then redirect him with a toy or bone. (giving praise when he chews on this).Also, it is helpful to 'puppy proof' your house as much as possible so he can't damage valuable items or get into something that could harm him (like chewing on electrical cords). In terms of biting you and family members, or jumping and grabbing clothes, I would follow Musicdebs' recommendations, again giving him a toy to chew on/play with your. If he accepts this, continue play and praise him. If he keeps trying to bite your hands or clothes, stand up, and stop play immediately. If necessary, walk away. It is also helpful to have gates on rooms, so if your puppy goes into total Crazy Hour Demon Mode and tries to follow you, when you walk away, you can prevent this. If and when he settles down, try to resume play.

I would also suggest:

First, make sure he is getting sufficient exercise (although not long, enforced walks). A tired puppy is a quiet puppy.

He is not too young to start teaching him 'sit' and 'down' and 'leave it'/''drop it'.. When training, or shaping behaviour it is important to teach dogs what you want them to do -- with praise and rewards -- not just what you want them to stop doing. .


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Cody

Well-Known Member
Yup, I agree. My first advise is to speak to your breeder and see what they suggest.
Personally I have or would never alpha roll a Corso pup. In doing so you are are breaking the trust he needs to have in you.
I would redirect and use positive enforcement for behaviors that you want, ignore those you don't. Get him a toy he can chew or lightly play tug with. When he starts to bite or chew give him something that he can do tha with.
When the puppy zanies come, get him out side and try todo some training. Mental stimulation will tire him out just as much as physical.
Corso are ver sensitive dogs, they want to please. Sounds like you got a drivey pup, you need to find ways to to focus that drive.
I know they are a "dominant" breed, but honestly I would never use physical punishment on a young Corso, especially a pup. There is no need to. And congrats, your Corso wouldn't submit to being rolled, you have a Corso.
Forget all the "alpha" training you know, it isn't nessicary or productive with this breed.
 

Glasgowdogtrainer

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It also isn't necessary with any breed. I'll second and third what has been said, build a relationship of trust based on feeding and toys so that you classically condition your dog that you are the source of great things rather than start your relationship based on one-up-manship and trying to be the boss. Show your dog what you want him to do and train him to do it rather than trying to correct or punish him for doing stuff you don't like, he doesn't know the difference.
 

DennasMom

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We had great success with high-pitched "yipes!" when Denna would use her mouth on us. It did wonders - and now that she's testing out her new teeth, we're back to "yipe"-ing again... and she still listens, and lightens up. She has a very soft mouth, but I still don't want her putting her teeth on any human skin.

When Denna gets ahold of something she shouldn't, I make it a game for her to "bring it" to me, so I can "trade" her for it... giving her a valued treat or toy (with play), so she's rewarded for bringing any prohibited items to me, and giving them up without a fight. We inadvertently taught our previous dog how to fetch slippers with that method. :)

I think, instead of stating your "alpha, loud and clear" - you might try stating it "calmly and firmly"... see if you can out-last him. If you have more patience than he does, he'll give up sooner each time, and learn to respect your leadership.

One of the first words we taught Denna was "wait"... she waits for food, toys, love, walks, everything! But, she knows if she 'waits' she'll eventually 'get' something good... so, she waits... normally in a sit. If she gets excited about going somewhere, we can tell her to 'wait', and that calms her down (at least a little). She's been a pretty easy puppy, so far, though. I have to admit.

But, along with everyone else here, we've found she's a sensitive pup, and calm, patient responses to her 'puppyness' normally get us what we want faster than any 'alpha' actions.

I will admit we did pull some "EM" methods on her early on... we'd just sit on her (not full weight) - mastiff style - until she calmed down (I've watched her do the same thing to puppies during play-time). But, having her sit, and giving her a hug from behind, while rubbing the chest works much, much better (and faster) to calm her down and help her relax. The hug is still a dominant position over the puppy, but much less intimidating, and less likely to cause a fear/aggression reaction in the puppy.

Mastiffs, as guardians, and the CC even more so, are apt to react to dominance methods as a challenge to be won, not as something to endear them to you with trust or respect.

Hopefully we've given you some things to try. If nothing else, they do grow out of the nipping stage (unless the feel biting is now necessary to get the person hitting them with the paper to move away...)

You might also look into some group puppy classes in your area - they're great ways to get help, hear about other people with similar problems, and get some socialization time for the puppy, too.
 

MixMamma

New Member
My friend has a bloodhound x lab puppy that put his teeth on everyone. The usual corrections didn't work because he had been allowed to get away with it for almost 4 months. What worked with him was grabbing and holding onto his tongue when he was play-biting (not pinching, just holding it) until he stopped trying to bite the hand. It took maybe 4 times and then he decided he had enough and didn't like that game anymore :)
 

musicdeb

Well-Known Member
My friend has a bloodhound x lab puppy that put his teeth on everyone. The usual corrections didn't work because he had been allowed to get away with it for almost 4 months. What worked with him was grabbing and holding onto his tongue when he was play-biting (not pinching, just holding it) until he stopped trying to bite the hand. It took maybe 4 times and then he decided he had enough and didn't like that game anymore :)
I wouldn't recommend this with a mastiff. He might just bite and how would you react? Hit the dog?
 

bellareea320

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My friend has a bloodhound x lab puppy that put his teeth on everyone. The usual corrections didn't work because he had been allowed to get away with it for almost 4 months. What worked with him was grabbing and holding onto his tongue when he was play-biting (not pinching, just holding it) until he stopped trying to bite the hand. It took maybe 4 times and then he decided he had enough and didn't like that game anymore :)

This didnt work with my Luna, I tried but she looks at me and still thinks I'm playing. You still have a young pup finding his way. re direct with toy or food and praise good behavior. They like to play and use their mouths but its our jobs to teach them how to do this with out hurting. They are only doing what is natural to them at this age.
 

MixMamma

New Member
I wouldn't recommend this with a mastiff. He might just bite and how would you react? Hit the dog?

Please, hit the dog, really? :mad: How do you get from holding the tongue for a moment to hitting? I am an experienced Mastiff and bully breed owner. I can assure you I have used this technique before with Mastiff and Bully breeds. They don't like having their tongue held and they pull their head away. And there is no need to hit the dog, this technique is not done with anger or frustration. And yes, redirection does work of course, but there isn't always a toy or food or other object nearby to do that with. I try to always be consistent, and that means using what I always have - voice, energy, body.
 
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musicdeb

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Please, hit the dog, really? :mad: How do you get from holding the tongue for a moment to hitting? I am an experienced Mastiff and bully breed owner. I can assure you I have used this technique before with Mastiff and Bully breeds. They don't like having their tongue held and they pull their head away. And there is no need to hit the dog, this technique is not done with anger or frustration. And yes, redirection does work of course, but there isn't always a toy or food or other object nearby to do that with. I try to always be consistent, and that means using what I always have - voice, energy, body.
MixMamma, my comment was not directed at you. It was directed at those who hit their dogs. Didn't mean to offend you. When we post suggestions, those who read them can put them into practice. This post was about hitting a dog for correction. Know what I mean?
 

Lenkaxini

New Member
certainly I do not like the agrressive dogs, for example, pit bull dog. I am really afraid of them and always get the feeling that he will go ahead and attack anyone staring at him
 

musicdeb

Well-Known Member
certainly I do not like the agrressive dogs, for example, pit bull dog. I am really afraid of them and always get the feeling that he will go ahead and attack anyone staring at him
Pit bulls are not born aggressive, they are taught to be aggressive. Same as with the mastiff breed or any breed for that fact.