Anyone interested in a teenage b*#ch EM??? FREE for the taking

[musicdeb]

Terie, I'm sorry you're dealing with this but you are getting tons of support and suggestions from everyone. Remember, when you frustrated or angry, walk away. Go to the kitchen, take some deep breaths and 2 shots of whiskey, bourbon and scotch. About 10 minutes after doing the shots, you will not give a shit what the bitch does. hahahahahaha

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

ahhh now I understand what my phone bill has been so high. You said you wanted Hemi, well she must be making phone calls and teach Mystic the best methods of ensuring you get one just like her. I have nothing to add but a lot of giggles

 

[angelbears]

 

[cinnamon roll]

I have never heard of those. I am very interested in it. Thank you I will PM you.

I actually have a few of those and they work great. If you want to try on CR send me a PM with your addy and I can send you one. I used them to keep the dogs off the carpet, now they know their boundaries I don't use them any more. It doesn't take long and it doesn't hurt them. It feels like a static shock if you step on it.

 

[cinnamon roll]

Thank you for all your help. I will def try using her prong in the house for a while with her leash.

I actually have thought about getting the carpet runners and placing them upside on my couch at night since she likes to get up there.

Any clue why she is acting so fearful now? Is this common with the teenage stage? I mean she is worse then a puppy lately. Even getting her outside requires me to grab her collar or baby talk her. It is EXTREMELY frustrating.

Leave a prong collar and a pull tab or leash on her when she is allowed to roam. A prong collar will allow you to give a good correction (a quick jerk and release) with less force than a martingale allows you to. The lamping is not a bad idea lol. Give her a verbal warning first (she how she responds) and then a correction. Do this when you see her even looking at the garbage can. Keep doing this until she understands it's not acceptable. How quickly she responds will depend on the timing and level of your correction.

Maybe you can try leaving empty garbage cans out. That way there's nothing fun about the trashcans. You can also lay down like those vinyl carpet runner sheets on the ground with pokey side up around the garbage area. Hopefully it will be uncomfortable enough to deter her. I know they have shocking mats too for training purposes lol. If you want that I can look it up, but I think those are expensive. Just throwing some random ideas out there.

 

[cinnamon roll]

So what time do you want to meet today?

Send her to Dallas. I can drive to Southern Illinois and back in one day.

They are so DISGUSTING!!! And don't forget the all too yummy cat litter!!!

No helpful advice, but it did make me giggle. All of my dogs would eat diapers given half a chance... Nasty creatures.

Name your brand and I will get it lol. Abby said you are lying and would never do anything like that. Stop making up stories about that poor girl.

Make it dark rum and you got a deal we dont have an exposed trash basket, but if you get Abby be prepared to lose socks and hosiery, well not lose it but find it pooped out in the yard!

 

[cinnamon roll]

The problem with the flat collar and even her martingale is that if she decides that she is not moving she will slip out of them. She just pulls backwards. Honestly I don't see a flat collar working on her. As she can even slip her martingale. Thoughts?????

What you are saying makes perfect sense. I will try anything to get my dog back. This has been the worst 6 weeks.

It breaks my heart to see her act fearful. Have I raised my voice with her at times.....yes but she acts like she has been abused.

Give her your crate command once and then lure her to the crate with a treat and into the crate with it.. first.. (try this a few times).

Correction method I'd use:
Let her drag her leash and a flat collar is enough, I wouldn't go beyond that given she could be fearful of your poor attitude already (all jokes aside I'd play to her being fearful first). Less is more with pressure, the more I can accomplish with less the more tools I have if they are ever needed and the dog doesn't develop a tolerance.

Use your verbal correction ie: "no" when she lays down (no emotion in your voice just assertive) after you've told her to get in her crate. The first time I would give her your crate command once more ("no" pause a few second then "go to your crate").

After that point, I would give her a verbal "no" followed quickly with a leash correction if she didn't listen, this is a attention getter at this point.. I want her to look to you for direction.

This is a repetitive process, If she were to walk 3 steps then lay back down my correction level goes up.. not my voice the leash correction.

Make sense?

 

[cinnamon roll]

Well you said you wanted another dog right??
She is a SUPER bitch. LOL

What a bitch.

Thanks Mary!!! LMFAO

Oh that damn trouble maker Hemi. Just wait I swear I am gonna send your girls a 5000 bead set. HAHAHAH

ahhh now I understand what my phone bill has been so high. You said you wanted Hemi, well she must be making phone calls and teach Mystic the best methods of ensuring you get one just like her. I have nothing to add but a lot of giggles

Just what the DR ordered. The other day I tried to get her to go out before I went to work, she just laid there looking up at me with her tail wagging (you the F*ck off and go away look) and after about 5 mins of BS I gave up and left for work. Fast 45 mins I get a text saying that she shit all over the dining room. WTF

As of last night she is being crated every night. And When I have to leave her alone to go get the boys.

Terie, I'm sorry you're dealing with this but you are getting tons of support and suggestions from everyone. Remember, when you frustrated or angry, walk away. Go to the kitchen, take some deep breaths and 2 shots of whiskey, bourbon and scotch. About 10 minutes after doing the shots, you will not give a shit what the bitch does. hahahahahaha

 

[vadersmom]

Good Grief...what a nightmare! I was wondering what a "correction" looked like. I don't see a little tug on a flat collar working very well. At least with my 3 other bullies, I don't. Food always worked but I know you don't want to reward bad behavior. I an struggling with 13 weeks old, I can't wait till this stage when I can't pick her up and move her. Good times ahead! I will keep in mind all these suggestions..

 

[RissyRenee]

Lola (almost 13months) is still in her naughty phase, I feel your pain. While we haven't had that same problem we do have a garbage can that locks, like ...http://www1.macys.com/shop/product/...5|-|YE14AvJk&gclid=CMfCtJqy9rsCFUjxOgodhSEA_w


Just a little look into my life, we are remodeling our kitchen, so our kitchen stuff is throughout our home…Yesterday, I let Lola in from her am potty break and as she ran through my living room she somehow managed to knock over our end table, that had our coffee maker on it. So coffee and coffee grounds flew throughout my living room, all before 7am lol. Needless to say after cleaning up that mess, I was HAPPY to go to work!

 

[Tunride]

Bones loves trash! Got new can, plastic, push tab-lid opens. Bones pushes tab for her trash treats, even with me right there! A nice 10 pound weight on top of can stops her, and everyone else from getting in it. Seems like you always forget the weight is there when you have a hand full of trash. 10 pound weight, from weight set, takes 2 hands to move, works though. Lots of luck!

 

[joshuagough]

First off if she's slipping out of a collar you don't have the right size, high on the neck just behind the ears (base of the head).

Secondly the leash and collar are for the correction (sideways motion for the correction), not a drag line. If she knows what to do and doesn't the correction comes into play. Past that point what you want to have happen is to coax her into walking her self not dragging her under her un-willingness to go. Big praise once you get her in the crate, like she won the lotto for you.

Her being fearful is not uncommon at all, some dogs go thru a few of these stages.. others never have them.. it just depends on the dog. It's not a breed thing.

Collars.. there's nothing you can do with a prong collar you can't with a flat collar, it's simply leverage.. and I know the dog out weighs you. However if the dogs under stress truly from being fearful (given she's not just testing you), you could create issues that you don't want to deal with. Also you don't want to lock in that coward behavior, as many dogs will accept they don't have a clue what to do or what's being ask and just freeze in panic mode.. working thru this correctly is important.

You thinking something won't work before you give her the chance, sets her up to fail.
Good luck!

The problem with the flat collar and even her martingale is that if she decides that she is not moving she will slip out of them. She just pulls backwards. Honestly I don't see a flat collar working on her. As she can even slip her martingale. Thoughts?????

What you are saying makes perfect sense. I will try anything to get my dog back. This has been the worst 6 weeks.

It breaks my heart to see her act fearful. Have I raised my voice with her at times.....yes but she acts like she has been abused.

 

[joshuagough]

You'd be shock and what you can do with a slip lead and no collar, or as I said to CR just a flat collar.

Explaining the correction method via text is extremely difficult to do, from being able to explain it well.. and the person reading to comprehend what it is your trying to convey if it's something they've not seen in person.

There's different levels of correction I use when training, they vary by the issue's I'm facing with the dog (if the dog has any at all). As a pup (or a dog that's had zero training) they don't know what to do nor what your asking. No correction should be used in these situations.

There's a big difference in me correcting a "aggressive" dog and a dog that's being fearful like I would first assume with CR's. I'll always error on the side with the least adverse out come for the dog, I can always increase the level of correction/pressure. Most dogs aren't truly dominate and breaking down their spirit or creating a fear of correction isn't at all helpful in my opinion. When you do that the dog isn't following your command, they are trying to beat the correction/pressure. I want the training to be fun and the I want the dog to want to work for me and enjoy it. The training should be self rewarding to Mastiff's.

The lower level corrections would be almost like you setting the hook when finishing, a quick and sharp attention getter. If I was correcting the dog for let's say lunging after someone walking by and barking at them my level of correction would be much higher and more "force" or pressure would be used.

If done correctly from the get go, your goal is to associate "no" (whatever your correction word is) with the correction/pressure from the leash and collar. After a short time you have no need for the physical correction or only in high level distraction environments where you may need the physical correction still until the dog is solid with your verbal command in those siutations.

You can get a 150+lb dogs attention real easy with a flat collar and leash, you can also take a aggressive 150+lb clear off their feet with the same collar and leash.. it's all leverage methods. None of which are applicable here.

All that said, less is more in the world of correction. If I can spend 20 mins luring a behavior I'll do it everytime, once that behavior is formed and I known and the dog chooses not to comply. That's the only time I'll correct them.

Good Grief...what a nightmare! I was wondering what a "correction" looked like. I don't see a little tug on a flat collar working very well. At least with my 3 other bullies, I don't. Food always worked but I know you don't want to reward bad behavior. I an struggling with 13 weeks old, I can't wait till this stage when I can't pick her up and move her. Good times ahead! I will keep in mind all these suggestions..

 

[joshuagough]

You'd be shock and what you can do with a slip lead and no collar, or as I said to CR just a flat collar.

Explaining the correction method via text is extremely difficult to do, from being able to explain it well.. and the person reading to comprehend what it is your trying to convey if it's something they've not seen in person.

There's different levels of correction I use when training, they vary by the issue's I'm facing with the dog (if the dog has any at all). As a pup (or a dog that's had zero training) they don't know what to do nor what your asking. No correction should be used in these situations.

There's a big difference in me correcting a "aggressive" dog and a dog that's being fearful like I would first assume with CR's. I'll always error on the side with the least adverse out come for the dog, I can always increase the level of correction/pressure. Most dogs aren't truly dominate and breaking down their spirit or creating a fear of correction isn't at all helpful in my opinion. When you do that the dog isn't following your command, they are trying to beat the correction/pressure. I want the training to be fun and the I want the dog to want to work for me and enjoy it. The training should be self rewarding to Mastiff's.

The lower level corrections would be almost like you setting the hook when finishing, a quick and sharp attention getter. If I was correcting the dog for let's say lunging after someone walking by and barking at them my level of correction would be much higher and more "force" or pressure would be used.

If done correctly from the get go, your goal is to associate "no" (whatever your correction word is) with the correction/pressure from the leash and collar. After a short time you have no need for the physical correction or only in high level distraction environments where you may need the physical correction still until the dog is solid with your verbal command in those siutations.

You can get a 150+lb dogs attention real easy with a flat collar and leash, you can also take a aggressive 150+lb clear off their feet with the same collar and leash.. it's all leverage methods. None of which are applicable here.

All that said, less is more in the world of correction. If I can spend 20 mins luring a behavior I'll do it everytime, once that behavior is formed and I known and the dog chooses not to comply. That's the only time I'll correct them.

Sorry, can't type well on this phone.

ie: You would be shocked at what you can do lol.

 

[taraann81]

Thank you for all your help. I will def try using her prong in the house for a while with her leash.

I actually have thought about getting the carpet runners and placing them upside on my couch at night since she likes to get up there.

Any clue why she is acting so fearful now? Is this common with the teenage stage? I mean she is worse then a puppy lately. Even getting her outside requires me to grab her collar or baby talk her. It is EXTREMELY frustrating.

Sully is unusually fearful right now as well. Im curious how tall he is, but aince he ha$s developed a fear od dry erase marjers, the whole atanding him by the fridge and marking is out. So i thought id dangle a piece of yarn beside him and measure the yarn...no go....TERRIFIED of the yarn :s and my 3 year old st acts like a beaten dog if you even talk loud, she cowers with her tail between her legs, its embarassing

 

[Louies Mom]

So this teenage stage DOES end doesn't it? 14 months old and a mind of his own! Glad he can't get at my garbage but I'm minus a few shoes!

 

[joshuagough]

It's all dependent of the dog and the training you've done. Some come out the other side just the same as they entered with no issues, others hold on to things they pick up during these stages.

Not sure you can really call it teenage stage as the ages at which they come and go are widely different by dog. If I have something going on with a dog for more than a month I always focus in on the training routines with that dog and try to nip it.

So this teenage stage DOES end doesn't it? 14 months old and a mind of his own! Glad he can't get at my garbage but I'm minus a few shoes!

 

[dpenning]

Cinnamon Roll.

this is the scat mat. Works on a nine volt battery. You can find them at petsmart.com. If you want to try it pm me and I'll ship it to you. May take me a couple of days, life is crazy.

 

[dpenning]

So how is your girl doing? Has she learned manners around the trash can?

 

[raechiemay]

I missed this thread & I'm very sad I did. I needed some laughs today & confirmation that all the issues I've been having with Duch being a bitch has been due to her bratty teenage phase. She has gotten much, much better around other dogs & people so I can't say HOW long it lasted but I can say it will end...stay strong! Mastiffs are sensitive creatures.....ok I'm laughing my ass off after saying that but I am semi-serious. My first EM, you could bust her in the middle of doing something she wasn't supposed to do & she would wag her tail while you used your stern voice to tell her no. She didn't care. Duch is kind of the same. She acts like Miss Badass while on the leash but take her off of it & the game changes completely!

Wanted to let you know that there is a trash can with a motorized lid but honestly I think Mystic would probably figure it out lol