Thanks so much! Amazing how he helped that dog!There is an episode where he worked with Patti LaBelle's Boerbel.
Thanks so much! Amazing how he helped that dog!There is an episode where he worked with Patti LaBelle's Boerbel.
ooddly enough , you just nearly quoted cesar in your reason for not using him. sounds to me like you listen to too many other people and haven't actually watched any of his indepth stuff. but hey, sounding cool out weighs actual information. just saying..IMO, Cesar Milan's training is based on fear not positive reinforcement which is a better mode of training a mastiff. You'll see that a lot of forum members do not adhere to his training methods.
Mastiff do better with positive reinforcement. They can feel your emotions, so if you are anxious or afraid they will kick into protection/guardian mode. If you are frustrated with them, they will shut down and stop listening to you. Mastiffs require consistency in training with motivational rewards and LOTS of patience. When they hit the teenage stage (10-12 months), you may want to add a bottle of whiskey for you not the pup to the training regiment.
^^^ Touche'....my thoughts exactly.ooddly enough , you just nearly quoted cesar in your reason for not using him. sounds to me like you listen to too many other people and haven't actually watched any of his indepth stuff. but hey, sounding cool out weighs actual information. just saying..
Your Devil's Advocate comment is sharp and to the point! I've got 27 stitches in my head that stands as testimony. I nearly lost an eye, I have visible scars across my right ear. I was three, my hand touched the dog's head while it was begging for scraps. It wasn't intentional, I was just running my hand across a bush and my hand fell and touched his head. He ran me down in the street...I Remember This Vividly! I remember the owner dragging the dog off and running with me to my house. I remember them holding cloths to my head and them pulling them away blood soaked. Thankfully, I passed out and I was kept out for the rest.
I never blamed the dog. Could the dog have been trained better, you bet! Did I or anyone else ever trust this dog again around food? No. Would the dog have been put down in today's world, yes. Back then the adage was that a dog got one bite free, after that death. And here's where the rubber meets the road: This could have happened to that child!
One further thought, if CM had challenged the dog and the dog hadn't presented the way the owner's had described, but had only been confused, backed off and growled, then the dog, I suggest, would have been rehabilitated, but that's not what happened, the dog red-zoned, went into battle mode. It finally, backed away, but never really backed down. With a child it would have been a mauling. This dog would never have been suitable for a young family. How would you ever know this without attempting to produce the response? You Wouldn't.
27 stitches, the scars run from my right eye up through my scalp, down behind my ear and across my ear lobe which was re-attached. No anthropomorphism here, reality bites and so does this dog.
I'm not trying to get into a pissing contest here, I'm really not. But Season, you keep regurgitating the same things with nothing other than Leerburg links to back you up. No one way is the only right way. This thread - it's not even so much about Cesar Milan anymore. It's about showing anyone reading that there are many training options available to them. At least that's what it's about to me. When I was involved in Boxer rescue, I worked with many rescue dogs and "rehabilitated" them using various methods. Not once did I roll a dog or choke them out and their behavior was very similar to what Cesar was dealing with. Did I correct? Sure. When it was appropriate. I used, and still use, many tools. Including a prong collar and a clicker, depending on the situation and what I wanted to accomplish. An open mind is a wonderful thing and everyone benefits from it. Here is an interesting link that, in my opinion, doesn't bash Cesar's methods but gives pretty concise explanations about why the author disagrees with him. It's a pretty decent read.
http://4pawsu.com/cesarfans.htm
I share what works for me and do what works for me. If it isn't broke I don't fix it. And since you had to proclaim that you didn't "want to get into a pissing contest" I immediately tuned out the rest of what you had to say. I never get into back and forth with people. I state my case and let the others get wound up about it....which in this forum many do. Not me.
Well, let-s take the example of this boerboel mentioned before. This singer had hired a trainer who had been with this animal for 2 years, YES , TWO YEARS without getting results. Cesar went there and in a few days rehabilitated that dog. So he may not have the best approach in the eyes of many, his method may be old school or even from the school of hard knows, as he has no formal training for what i have read and heard, but.. he does get results. I am sure there are other approaches, styles, etc and that is great! We can choose whatever works for US and for our own interpretation of what-s best for our dogs. And it-s all about trial and error and getting results that go in line with our views.