A lot of semantics and re wording of what I said in the post above. But hey you didnt want to read it.
i actually did read it , possibly misinterpreted some of it ? i actually answered just like this here , just eliminated the quotes....
Thousands of x-rays hmmmmmmm.....interesting ????
well 39yrs is 14,235 days , a thousand would be seeing 1 x-ray every 2 weeks ? i would have to guess at least a thousand , i'm sure more , is probably an appropriate guess as i see more x-rays than 1 every 2 weeks right now , hd was a problem with the first mastiff i ever owned , running with me was my dogs job , i'm sure there were many stretches where i'd look at 4 different x-rays a day ....... if photobucket still worked , i'd inundate you with hip x-rays ........ friends of mine have sent me their x-rays since i been breeding dogs ......... the reason the bordeaux i started with looked like she did was because of the problem in the breed ........ i asked Jan Dykstra one time if he could send me some semen from a non-dysplastic bordeaux in the netherlands , he said he knew of like 2 , and they were very poor type ..... i looked into germany , they had more , maybe 5-6, only because their standards are so low ............ i have a friend who got his dogs from Pete Curley , he told Pete he just wanted something could walk ........ Pete sent him some dogues off a dog named vick ....... i wonder how many bordeaux breeders were looking for ddb down off good old vick ..........
I was not pointing out a spelling mistake.... i was pointing out how movement is not the tell all.
movement is not a tell all , but poor movement is a "tell something"
The point I am trying to make since its not obvious is that health testing isnt as effective as it should be. Its no panacea.
And all health testing is not the same.
health testing is absolutely effective , i'm not sure how effective you think it should be ......... anything related to phenotype is a pressure type change , you put pressure on the average by selecting toward the end you want , it is an absolute fact you can move the average in either direction , it takes time , you stack up the high end in the pedigrees and the mean will move in that direction , bell curve stuff , right ?????? it's done all the time by dog breeders for all sorts of traits ......
A lot of studies show this.
You have somebody new to the breed asking questions about "health testing." Which is a generic phrase that can include a lot of different things. I think its important for people to kind of understand exactly whay it may or may not contain.
folks should know there are "breeders" who use "health testing" as a marketing tool , i've not known of them to use it correctly, because to do so is a slow and expensive process ....... a health certified dog can be very unhealthy
I even remember you yourself saying you cant breed out certain things completely. I think the quote of yours may even be in this thread.
absolutely you can't , again bell curve stuff ? genetics is about averages ,
What about elbows....
What about eyes.....
There are breeders who test for that too....
Guess they should bad mouth or look down on people who only test heart and 1 form of hip testing.
i assume anyone testing for a genetic disease is testing for what affects their dogs .....i assure you all these type dogs are affected by hd and heart issues ... the fact my dogs never have had elbow dysplasia , and i don't know any bordeauxs with elbow dysplasia , indicates to me it's pretty uncommon . which in itself is anecdotal evidence of just how genetic these diseases are ? likewise with the eye issues .......
Look either somebody produces healthy dogs or they dont. This guy has a lot of dogs. He is known for some pretty good accomplishments and titles. His dogs should be able to speak for themselves. Also his customers. Not speculation best off of a couple seconds of footage.
everybody produces healthy dogs and unhealthy dogs , at least anybody who has produced more than a litter .......... this guy actually didn't move his dogs , they just stacked them , the black dog had a bad moment ,with his left rear , hopping away from the camera , but certainly someone would need to see more than that , he's a big dog , possibly an agility issue , strength issue , i would guess something caused it , 5:25 ..... the dogs i was referring to were videos affiliated(connected) on youtube to this video , one "breeder" waddled his dog away from the camera , he should have cut that out , that dog was a moving mess .......
I'll ask again...Did you see the kennels he took the dogs out of?????
Couldn't it just be a case of the dog just being stiff from the kennel???
Do you care to mark the time and the "wrong bad movement" you called out in the vid?
i guess ....... my dogues , except for the old ones, will fly out of sleep , down the stairs and out the door if they hear or smell something in the way of an animal ....... the kennel dogs will be hitting the top of a 6 foot fence when i go to get them , often out of a sleep ........so it's possible
his dog kennels had a bit to be desired , imo those dogs would be better off on chains with a good dog house ...... as i said earlier i was referring to some videos that video directed me too ....... but he movement at 5:25 had a bit to be desired