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Corn, tears and running out of time

tmricciuto

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This is just heartbreaking. I'm surprised also that they wouldn't do payment plans or something. All of the vets we've been to offer some type of installment agreement.
 

Th0r

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I think even if you get the dog back, you're still on the hook for the surgery and treatment cost.
 

enzo_canecorso

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I would talk to you lawyer. I understand the "paying the bill in trade for ownership" part of the deal but you should get to know if he lives and you should also be allowed to take your son in to say goodbye. I know that all of theses posts, like mine, saying this isnt right is probably not making this any easier for you and for that I apologize. This story just hits me so hard because I truly feel so deeply sorry for you.
 

Colorado1234

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I'm not asking for anymore than just that. I only want to know if he made it. However, we were able to make payments in the amount of 1,000.00 a month and furthermore, we have gladly paid for all of Pax's medical bills in the past. Pax got sick over the weekend and ended up in the ER, who's prices are 50% higher than a regular vet. In my opinion, my situation was very different than your sisters and I would expect you to be a bit bias considering you work at the vet practice that did this and it was in fact your sister who took the dog. However, thank you for your concern but I know that we loved and always will love Pax as much as anyone else. The only difference is that the person who took Pax works at a facility that gives her unlimited resources at a huge discount. In many ways, it's just a case of the haves and the have nots. Not a case of who will love the dog.
 

CeeCee

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First off, let me say that I am so very sorry for everything you've been through and commend you on making what must have been THE HARDEST decision and ultimately putting his needs above your own.

Having said that, that person should be ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES! That is emotional blackmail! MAYBE a part of it was done to save Pax, but it feels like they saw an opportunity to get what they wanted and took it. They are not even considering Pax and his needs and you, well, you are just the person who has what they want - nevermind your love and commitment to your boy.

That vet should be ASHAMED for even being a part of something like that! If you want to do something like that, you do it because you want to help and because you can - NOT because you want anything in return! That is DISGUSTING BEYOND WORDS!!! I would be sure to let EVERYONE know the CRUEL, self-serving, opportunistic, douche these people are. (And I never use the word "douche.") I am so disgusted, I would be checking to see if there is a code of conduct for vets and if there is, I would make it MY MISSION IN LIFE to get that person's license revoked!

I am praying for you and Pax. May karma and justice be with you.
 

PrinceLorde13

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I would check Facebook, either through the persons name you signed her over to or the vets office or one of the vets. I would find it amazingly hard to believe that someone would do this and not be patting themselves on the back and posting pictures on social media
 

PrinceLorde13

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I would also still talk to your lawyer, that's borderline extortion, it was the vet that approached you with this option knowing full well how fragile of a state you were in and basically told you that you must agree to whatever they wrote down or you dog would be dead very soon, I'd say that's pretty coercive
 

Ginurse

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Please excuse me for being an emotional, sappy mess but I hope this sad story about a race against time helps another dog owner in the future. I have been on this forum for many months getting great advice on my boerboel puppy pax, who has struggled with entropion, food allergies, bacterial infections and demodex. After 22 trips to the vet, dermatologist and animal hospital Pax was doing great. At 7 months old he weighed 120lbs, he was free of demodex, skin was completed healed from infection and was doing great on a salmon based diet. May was our best month ever. We went hiking, took trips to the beach and spent every night together taking walks around town and visiting all of our neighborhood puppy friends. I left for work Saturday morning, but before my shift was over I got a phone call from my husband saying that Pax was throwing up and the his regular vet was closed. I immediately began making plans to leave work while my husband took Pax to a vet that was open. this is where a our race against time began.
At 1:30 pm Pax had X-rays done which clearly revealed that Pax had a large peice of corn on the cob lodged inhis small intestine. The vet explained that this was serious and Pax needed to go to the ER. The ER gave Pax IV fluids and medication to hydrate him and to subside the vomiting. The vet said there was a small chance that he could pass the corn natural with hydration, but if not he would need major surgery. It was almost midnight and Pax still was not passing the corn naturally. We stayed up all night trying to get the funds for surgery. We only had 2,000.00 left in our emergency funds. We had all of our money tied up in escrow to buy a house because my husbands job needs us to relocate out of state this month. Needless to say, this couldn't of happened at a worse time. We even tried to increase our credit limit on our credit cards but we were unable to come up with enough money for surgery, which was thousands of dollars more than what we had availible. It took all night just to come up with enough money to cover Pax's X-rays and overnight stay at the ER. In a last attempt I reached out to brow dog foundation and helping hands but this was happening over the weekend and we were running out of time. By 9am the next morning Pax was going downhill fast. I cried so hard that my eyes burned and I could hardly breath. Just when I thought it was all over for Pax, a doctor at the ER called me with an unconventional option.
It was around 12:00 when the doctor said in a empathetic voice,"there is someone in house that is willing to pay for all of Pax's surgery cost as well as all ongoing medical care to keep him alive." My heart jumped with joy and I felt an overwhelming sense of relief. But then the doctor said, "the only condition is that this staff member would then become Pax's new mommy." I spent the rest of the day on the floor of the ER holding Pax's head in my lap and bawled like a baby in front of a room of strangers. At 5pm pax began throwing up feces and stopped licking my hands, I knew it was time. At 5:30 I signed the papers that allowed pax to get the medical help that he needed. At 5:45 I kissed him goodbye and watched him struggle to walk away. Our time was up.
I am forever grateful to the person who took on this responsibility and gave Pax a chance to live when I could not. However, it's breaking my heart to know that I will never find out if he made it or not. One of the conditions to this unconventional option was that I am not allowed to contact the ER or the vet that helped Pax. All that I ask is that if this mysterious saint ever reads this post please give me a sign that he is ok. And most importantly I want to thank you for trying to save my best friend's life. We will never forget you Paxi boy.even though our time together was short, you now have the chance to run down the beach for years to come.
Here is a picture of my final hour with Pax
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The person who stepped up was kind, but I can't imagine that this unethical behavior by the vet was in any way within the bounds of his medical covenant (like human doctors, they have malpractice insurance and a set of regulations and ethics that must be followed).

Whatever form he had you sign, probably wasn't a true legal document: was it written by a lawyer? I think your vet was wrong, felt like he had more power than he legally had. Because a person says something, doesn't make it a legal edict. I would pursue this with hand-written letters delivered via certified mail, and also post the same via email.

I am so pissed that you were treated this way. You did the best for your baby, and were carped on in the process, and my heart goes out to you.
 

Oscar'sMom

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I would also still talk to your lawyer, that's borderline extortion, it was the vet that approached you with this option knowing full well how fragile of a state you were in and basically told you that you must agree to whatever they wrote down or you dog would be dead very soon, I'd say that's pretty coercive

Totally agree! Plus the employee most likely got the surgery at a significantly lower rate...which makes it easier to cover costs on their end
 

Ginurse

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Also, Veterinarians, like human physicians, answer to a governing body in each state; basically a review and regulatory board. I would take your situation to said board. You can google AAVSB (sorry, I can no longer post links here): these state licensing boards are where you start when you need to make a complaint.
 

BAMCB

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I am so very sorry, what a horrible decision you had to make in such a short time while under such great stress and emotionally distraught. I feel you did what you had to at that time and commend such an act of compassion for your loved family member.

That being said, I have worked in vet offices and I have never heard of such an offer. We have had animals signed over only AFTER the decision was made BY THE OWNER to euthanize. NEVER when an owner was trying their best to pay. I would pursue all routes of trying to get him back. That was unethical of the vet and whoever worked there. Or possibly one of the vets friends who wanted him. I am so sorry:( and definitely check into your rights.
 

karennj

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I'm not asking for anymore than just that. I only want to know if he made it. However, we were able to make payments in the amount of 1,000.00 a month and furthermore, we have gladly paid for all of Pax's medical bills in the past. Pax got sick over the weekend and ended up in the ER, who's prices are 50% higher than a regular vet. In my opinion, my situation was very different than your sisters and I would expect you to be a bit bias considering you work at the vet practice that did this and it was in fact your sister who took the dog. However, thank you for your concern but I know that we loved and always will love Pax as much as anyone else. The only difference is that the person who took Pax works at a facility that gives her unlimited resources at a huge discount. In many ways, it's just a case of the haves and the have nots. Not a case of who will love the dog.

Wow, I think I did not communicate what I was trying to say properly. I was just trying to say that a person who would adopt a dog they do not know and pay for all their medical needs is probably going to give the pup a good home. I was not trying to imply that you don't pay. I was trying to say that we normally in this case would give the option of a payment plan and this practice should have as well. II also think it is ridiculous that they are not returning calls and you cannot at least learn the fate of your pup. I also have no doubt that you loved your dog. Anyone who could do what you did in order to get the medical needs met obviously is only thinking of the best for the dog. I am sorry if my post came across in a negative way. I was trying to let you know I have seen something like this before and in that case the dog was very loved. I was hoping to give you some peace that your dog is in good hands. People who work at vet's do so because they love animals.
 

xcrazydx

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People who work at vet's do so because they love animals.

I wish that was the case but there are a bunch that are just there for a paycheck. Quite a few are abusive and negligent as well. Then we have the ones like this scumbag. It's a shame
 

karennj

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Most vets acquire a lot of debt getting through vet school and although it seems that they must be making tons of money with what they charge it is usually not the case. Tech's make about the same as an entry level office secretary. In fact my 18yr old niece who washes hair at the salon makes $5.00/hr more than me as a tech! we are pulling blood, prepping for surgery, giving vx, performing dentals, pulling meds, intubating, putting in catheters, etc, The $13.00/hr (near NYC mind you) is hardly worth the incredible amounts of urine, poop and "gunk", being exposed to ringworm, mites, parasites, being bitten and scratched and having male junk in your face constantly during the day no matter how hard you try to position yourself to avoid it. Yes, there are some bad vets out there but I would say most people working in the field are not just in it for the money because the money is not good.

I do have to say that this whole situation just seems weird. To not give the owner any closure is strange. And I understand this was a new client but to not even consider a payment plan is odd. I would honestly have an attorney send a letter from their office requesting status of the dog to give the owner closure. Maybe if the request comes from an attorney it will get their attention. I could not imagine not knowing if my dog even survived. I would also need to know that my dog was adjusting ok. it is one thing to take a dog from an owner who is throwing it away but to have the owner who wants the best for their dog and not provide any closure is messed up.

To the OP, did you ask your vet about this practice? We know a LOT about the other vets in the area. Either the vet worked with the other vet or a tech has or the clients leave them and tell us why or we see how they run their business and practice medicine from their charts. We cannot talk badly about other practices but we can answer direct questions (kind of like employee references). I am wondering what your practice knows about the place.

also, what exactly did they say when you asked about paying 1,000/month? Did they give reasoning?
 

xcrazydx

Banned
Most vets acquire a lot of debt getting through vet school and although it seems that they must be making tons of money with what they charge it is usually not the case. Tech's make about the same as an entry level office secretary. In fact my 18yr old niece who washes hair at the salon makes $5.00/hr more than me as a tech! we are pulling blood, prepping for surgery, giving vx, performing dentals, pulling meds, intubating, putting in catheters, etc, The $13.00/hr (near NYC mind you) is hardly worth the incredible amounts of urine, poop and "gunk", being exposed to ringworm, mites, parasites, being bitten and scratched and having male junk in your face constantly during the day no matter how hard you try to position yourself to avoid it. Yes, there are some bad vets out there but I would say most people working in the field are not just in it for the money because the money is not good.

I do have to say that this whole situation just seems weird. To not give the owner any closure is strange. And I understand this was a new client but to not even consider a payment plan is odd. I would honestly have an attorney send a letter from their office requesting status of the dog to give the owner closure. Maybe if the request comes from an attorney it will get their attention. I could not imagine not knowing if my dog even survived. I would also need to know that my dog was adjusting ok. it is one thing to take a dog from an owner who is throwing it away but to have the owner who wants the best for their dog and not provide any closure is messed up.

To the OP, did you ask your vet about this practice? We know a LOT about the other vets in the area. Either the vet worked with the other vet or a tech has or the clients leave them and tell us why or we see how they run their business and practice medicine from their charts. We cannot talk badly about other practices but we can answer direct questions (kind of like employee references). I am wondering what your practice knows about the place.

also, what exactly did they say when you asked about paying 1,000/month? Did they give reasoning?
I didn't mean they make a lot of money. I was just saying they don't care about animals and they're just showing up and doing the least amount possible to collect a check.

I couldn't believe some of the attitudes and pure laziness I've seen at the last vet I went to. They didn't write down the info needed about the condition, medications prescribed, they wrote down incorrect weight of the dog and acted like I was taking up too much of their time. So on the follow up visit they had almost no information on what they did last time. And what they did write down was wrong.
 

PrinceLorde13

Well-Known Member
I have a feeling anything you signed would be null any ways because you can't have a clause that specifically makes it impossible for one party to know if the other has fulfilled their part of the agreement, I.e- you singed over ownership for medical help to be provided, then they added a clause blocking you from knowing if their end had been held up.
Also as some others mentioned even if no law was broken vets are one of the few professions where it's not just the law they must follow but also ethics. Even if you woke up this morning and they gave you dog back I'd be filing ethical complaints on the vet, I'd be sending the story of this to EVERYONE that place lists as a friend on Facebook, I would even call my local news station and give them the story, you'd be amazed what the power of public pressure can do