Dog got very aggressive, not sure how to handle?

[Ghostsword]

Are you joking or you for real?

Whatever the original poster does must be all the opposite of what you are saying.

Zap the dog? Are you mad? Smack the pup and say no at the same time?

You do not train dogs out of fear, it is just not productive. Patience, repetition, constant work and lots of love is what it works, not zapping, hitting, smacking, kicking, etc.

A funny post nonetheless, but slightly mad.


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Luis
@ghostsword

 

[Ghostsword]

And you got a dog at 12 weeks to do an impression... Lol..

We got our dogs at 18 months, Working GSD's, the likes that you need to sit outside the kennel talking to them for 8 hours a day for an entire week just to be allowed to enter the kennel and take them out for a short walk. and without zapping, or hitting the dog.

Well you hit a dog that big and you will experience pain.

So I can clearly say that your advice is really bad, really bad.




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Luis
@ghostsword

 

[musicdeb]

I agree with Luis. Hitting a dog produces fear in the dog which results in more aggression.

 

[Oak Hill Farm]

I agree that is some of the worst advise I have read for any dog owner, let alone the OP has an older re-homed puppy. Please don't follow this advise

 

[Tiger12490]

That sounds like ruining a decent temp in a dog don't zap your dog bro its unneeded all you need to do is break the dogs concentration REPITITION is paramount it takes work but don't go around bullying your dog you might want to go look at good trainers

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[Kiloteague]

Hey I understand many of you would dissagree. The only thing is my methods are proven. Dont forget I say show more love to your dog, and that much discipline. God said "He that spareth the rod, hateth his son". Is God wrong. I love my dogs. And Ive only spanked each one of them three or four times. I wanted to instill, I am the dominant one. The same way dogs do to each other. A dog is not a person. In every case I know, a dog shows dominance over another dog physically. Meanwhile you guys would allow a dog to bite and growl. Ive heard dont say "NO". Haaaaa. Thats rediculous. So your telling me the dog will listen to you and not growl, but still bite. That makes literally no sense at all. So this is the dogs head "I'm going to listen to my master and not growl cause he said no, but I am gonna bite him." Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Sorry yall. My dad spanked me and I'm so happy for that and I love him for it. I always new he loved me. Thats why I say show super duper love. I kiss all my dogs in the face. They are not jumpy at all. They love to lick my face, because at a young age, I always show my dogs love. I kiss them like children every time I see them. But if they dont do exactly what I tell them to do I swat that but. But guess what, since I did it at 6 weeks, they never disobeyed again. Seo, trust me, physical discipline is not bad if you are showing the dog more love. Your dogs are getting away with what you allow. I'm not guarnateeing that what I say is gonna work, but I guarantee that what these other people are saying will not work, will not stop the agression and your kids will get bit unless these dogs love and fear you. These dogs are trying to make you fear them. And its not fear really. My dogs dont fear me, they respect me. They know they are gonna get nothing but love for me all day and all night, UNLESS they do something there not supposed to do. Thats where you want your dogs. If in the dog world the dominant dog became dominant by reassuring growling dogs that challenged him, then Id say hey go ahead and reassure him some more. Trust me your dog is winning the dominance war, and it is only a matter of time before he throws one of your kids on the floor or bites you hard or savages a neigbors kids. Im not trying to scare you but I promise thats what is gonna happen. You can disagree with me people, but this will end badly if she keeps going about this the way some of you have suggested.

 

[Kiloteague]

These are my three male dogs I used this method with. They all eat out of the same bowl at the same time. And they never once growled at me. You be the judge.

 

[Ghostsword]

So let me see if I understood this correctly, so that I learn how to do it right.

A pup of 3 months would get a slap when disobeying the NO command.

When a dog disobeys the NO command it must be put on its place, either by zapping, smacked or something as nasty.

If we do not do it then the dog may one day turn on us, on our kids or on the people next door.

Did I miss something?

I have worked with really aggressive dogs, really aggressive handlers, but never heard such radical technique.

Yes be dominant, be strong and show the dog who is the boss, but if you have to resort to violence to get a dog to do something then you seriously have an issue. You are meant to be more intelligent than the dog...


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Luis
@ghostsword

 

[Kelly]

"Spare the rod" - the translation from the original writings actually indicates this to mean discipline, not physical beatings.

 

[Kiloteague]

"Spare the rod" - the translation from the original writings actually indicates this to mean discipline, not physical beatings.

Wrong, he that spareth the rod, hateth his son. That means those that do not spank do not love.

---------- Post added at 06:10 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:00 PM ----------

So let me see if I understood this correctly, so that I learn how to do it right.

A pup of 3 months would get a slap when disobeying the NO command.

When a dog disobeys the NO command it must be put on its place, either by zapping, smacked or something as nasty.

If we do not do it then the dog may one day turn on us, on our kids or on the people next door.

Did I miss something?

I have worked with really aggressive dogs, really aggressive handlers, but never heard such radical technique.

Yes be dominant, be strong and show the dog who is the boss, but if you have to resort to violence to get a dog to do something then you seriously have an issue. You are meant to be more intelligent than the dog...




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Luis
@ghostsword

No not correct.

Like I said, Ive spanked my dogs three times in one three minute session and never really had to discipline again. And you keep forgetting, Love them more. I wonder why you keep forgetting to mention this? Love is the most important. Discipline is right there at 1A. It worked great for me and my dogs. Dogs like humans love discipline.

 

[Kiloteague]

So let me see if I understood this correctly, so that I learn how to do it right.

A pup of 3 months would get a slap when disobeying the NO command.

When a dog disobeys the NO command it must be put on its place, either by zapping, smacked or something as nasty.

If we do not do it then the dog may one day turn on us, on our kids or on the people next door.

Did I miss something?

I have worked with really aggressive dogs, really aggressive handlers, but never heard such radical technique.

Yes be dominant, be strong and show the dog who is the boss, but if you have to resort to violence to get a dog to do something then you seriously have an issue. You are meant to be more intelligent than the dog...




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Luis
@ghostsword

No not correct.

Like I said, Ive spanked my dogs three times in one three minute session and never really had to discipline again. And you keep forgetting, Love them more. I wonder why you keep forgetting to mention this? Love is the most important. Discipline is right there at 1A. It worked great for me and my dogs. Dogs like humans love discipline.

 

[Kelly]

Not to turn this into a religious discussion...but the whole context around that verse...and even if you quote the whole thing, is all about discipline.

I think maybe the way you come across is a little harsh, when you say your smacking these dogs and electrocuting them the part about you loving them does get lost.

 

[Kiloteague]

Wrong, he that spareth the rod, hateth his son. That means those that do not spank do not love.

Kelly- Proverbs 13:24, your welcome

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GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Whoever refuses to spank his son hates him, but whoever loves his son disciplines him from early on.

Maybe this will make it plain for yall. Doing the same thing with my dog, loving them like sons, and they love me too.

 

[Kiloteague]

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Whoever refuses to spank his son hates him, but whoever loves his son disciplines him from early on.

Maybe this will make it plain for yall. Doing the same thing with my dog, loving them like sons, and they love me too.

---------- Post added at 06:32 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:19 PM ----------

Not to turn this into a religious discussion...but the whole context around that verse...and even if you quote the whole thing, is all about discipline.

I think maybe the way you come across is a little harsh, when you say your smacking these dogs and electrocuting them the part about you loving them does get lost.

You say smacking these dogs
What I said was smack there butts= spank= like what the bible says to do to your son.

You say Electricute
What I said was use shock collars, that are made for dogs.
I didnt say lower them into water and flip the switch. Im not Mike Vick.

The reason things are getting foggy, is because you people are twisting my words as shown above. And not mentioning when I say kiss your dogs in the face and show them more love then discipline. And Love is most important. You need to take in the totality of what Im saying. Dont pick out things you dont like. The things you dont like from me, are the things that eliminate the things you dont like in dogs. The things you ignore from what I post are the things that reinforce what you do like in dogs. Please Listen People. And really at the end of the day, I am doing exactly what God said do to your children. I dont need to shock my dogs because I was able to get at mine at a young age. As mentioned in Proverbs 13:24

 

[Kiloteague]

Not to turn this into a religious discussion...but the whole context around that verse...and even if you quote the whole thing, is all about discipline.

I think maybe the way you come across is a little harsh, when you say your smacking these dogs and electrocuting them the part about you loving them does get lost.

You say smacking these dogs
What I said was smack there butts= spank= like what the bible says to do to your son.

You say Electricute
What I said was use shock collars, that are made for dogs.
I didnt say lower them into water and flip the switch. Im not Mike Vick.

The reason things are getting foggy, is because you people are twisting my words as shown above. And not mentioning when I say kiss your dogs in the face and show them more love then discipline. And Love is most important. You need to take in the totality of what Im saying. Dont pick out things you dont like. The things you dont like from me, are the things that eliminate the things you dont like in dogs. The things you ignore from what I post are the things that reinforce what you do like in dogs. Please Listen People. And really at the end of the day, I am doing exactly what God said do to your children. I dont need to shock my dogs because I was able to get at mine at a young age. As mentioned in Proverbs 13:24

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This women is dealing with an animal that doesnt reason like a human being, and can overpower her and her children today. Diplomacy doesn't work with animals. Maybe for you guys that have dogs that are just going to be walked around and then put back in a cell thats progress. But for a dog that is around children, that isnt nothing. For a dog around kids, it needs to do what you say, when you say it. Talking to it for 8 hours every day for a month is gonna get someone bit. You can find out in 5 minutes if you can keep this dog or if you need to get rid of it.

 

[Tiger12490]

LOL IV owned dogs that would rip your face off tons of breeds and have tried a little bit of everything now I'm no pro trainer but IV trained dogs in PP and OB and have noticed hitting slapping tapping w/e you want to call it can work but is unnecessary. Its just not needed to get a dog to do what you want I promise patience and consististency works. hitting is for people w/o patience and that don't know any better and shock collars is a good way to waste money now I'm not going to sit here and describe exactly how I train my dogs it just came with learning from them....I don't need to show dominance through aggression I'm not a dog...and that proverb is about your children and my dogs are not my children and I do not treat them as such. Guess what happens when you meet aggression with aggression that's right you get aggression when that dog starts it tempertantrum stop all touching petting such and snap them out of it with stern no or remove them. No dog wants to be away from there pack so do it he will get that being a jerk gets him no where...... but honestly you need to go to a licensed trainer without seeing this dog and interacting with it my response can only be limited seeing as how I'm not even sure where its aggression is coming from because that's a big part of how you would go about its rehab...I wish you luck and don't listen to this crap about beating your dog then showing it love......you know what the dogs gonna remember that you hit it.....plus dogs tend to do commands better when they do it because there happy to not because there affraid of the reprocussion if they don't

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[Marrowshard]

I'm a little confused by your logic:

You need to take in the totality of what Im saying. Dont pick out things you dont like.

Following this by justifying your actions with a single, repeatedly re-translated scrap of a holy book is very definitely ignoring the concept of "totality". It's a tactic known as "cherry picking", i.e. finding a single line or idea to support your position without considering context, source, or appropriatness of the subject matter. Some might say that quoting pet care from a book that forbids men to shave and women to speak is ill advised.

Regardless of your religious perspective (which, it must be said, is almost certainly not shared by all readers here), the general complaint seems to be not that you advocate the occassional negative reinforcement to deal with difficult dogs, it's that you take that approach first. In effect, using a bulldozer to level an anthill. Shock collars and other tools have their places in (some) training, but it should not be the first or even the second step, especially when a rescue animal is at stake. Speaking from experience, they often come with a grab-bag of issues both physical and mental that are sometimes best solved by discovering and neutralizing the underlying cause first.

~Marrow

 

[chuckorlando]

Ah who dont love the new world versions of the bible where the take out words and incert interpatation. You cant reason with an animal? Who's reasoning. You train your dog to do what you say. No reasoning to it. When my dog tries to eat someone, she sits. She dont have to like it. She dont have to desire it. She dont even need to think about it. But she's gonna sit. And I aint gotta hit her to do it. Though I play with my dogs harder than some might spank theirs, they aint in trouble. It;s not an opinion, it's a fact you will ruin some breeds temp by hitting them. Thats not an opinion. Again, not a debatable opinion. Further more, if someone needs a shock collar, they did'nt train very well to begin with.

Heres a trick to teach who's the damn boss. Teach your dog to sit using treats. After a week hold the food dish and say sit. You control the resource you control the pack. Thats another nifty fact thats not really up for debate.

I wont say not to spank your dog. Maybe we are all taking it out of context. But if you thinks thats correct, get you a fila and watch how fast you got puddle of play doe

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But I'm speaking in term of your 6wk old pups. Not dogs period but pups are moldable as hell

 

[chuckorlando]

But I'm speaking in term of your 6wk old pups. Not dogs period but pups are moldable as hell

 

[Kiloteague]

Hey to each his own I guess. Ive never had a problem with agressive dogs using my methods. I'm sure ur methods work for you. I dont put my dogs in a crate for five hours, some think that is cruel. Its all good, just giving her what had worked absolutely perfect for me with two pits and a Rott. I def think alot is being taken out of context, but the thing I think people are forgetting is that this lady has kids, and every day that dog is willing to growl and bite her and her kids is another day for a huge accident. I was giving her a quick solution for a problem that doesnt have time to wait. Here is what I will say. If she doesnt use tactics that I have outlined, i will guarantee that dog gets worse, and she ends up getting rid of it. Id love to be wrong, but from what Ive heard, I will be right.