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Feeding an EM from bowl on the floor or raised in feeder?

stonecali

New Member
Sorry if this has already been posted. As a newbie to the site not sure how the search function works or what to actually ask. :eek: Anyway, I have had a dog put down before because of Bloat, so am a bit concerned about feeding my new pup. Should they be fed from a bowl on the ground or from a raised platform?
Is there any definative answers to this? Thanks.
 

lilliesmomma

Well-Known Member
I am no expert. I feed my EM her food in bowls on the ground. I have heard that raising the bowl can still cause bloat. I don't know what to do either so for now her's aren't raised.
 

moose

Well-Known Member
I have heard alot of conflicting things about what to do, we also lost a dog to bloat, so its always a concern for us. I feed my dogs on the ground, my mom used a raised bowl. I have also heard ice in the water causes bloat:confused:
 

sleewell

Well-Known Member
isnt bloat caused from eating and then running right afterwards??? my understanding is that larger dogs stomachs arent attached like other dogs so if they eat a meal and run the stomach is heavier so it swings more and wraps around something else.

again, i could be wrong and maybe that is just one cause. i dunno. either way i put yogi's bowl on top of a cooler. when i fed him on the ground he would get bad hiccups, guess he eats really fast, lol.
 

suzu600r

Well-Known Member
I don't have a good answer but my dogs is up off the ground. He too gets hiccups from eating really fast. We try not to let him drink alot or eat alot or do both and then exercise/play as we were told this can cause bloat. I have also read that they don't have a definite answer as to what causes it. Am not sure if that is true but I read it somemore online. I don't see either way being wrong though.
 

Ripsmom

Well-Known Member
it used to be thought that feeding elevated reduced the risk but according to my vet there is no reliable research as to whether or not feeding or watering from an elevated dish reduces the risk of bloat, we know that minimizing water before and after a meal and not allowing the dog to exercise right before or for an hour or so after can help reduce the risk, my vet said that there is also a genetic predisposition for it. I feed my dogs elevated just because they seem to be more comfortable, especially the dane but to be honest... I've always watched his water intake and exercise relative to feeding times and two yrs ago he bloated anyway.
 

Cody

Well-Known Member
I believe one of the causes is when they are gulping food they swallow too much air, that is why is best to slow down eating as well as a number of different preventative measures. I have read that elevated dishes actually increase the risk of bloat.
I have heard that about Ice water, but have also heard it is a myth. I know that when Aurora eats snow and ice 80% of the time it makes her vomit, I just think is too cold in her stomach.
 

CSGREENSR

New Member
here is what i found Causes

According to the links below, it is thought that the following may be the primary contributors to bloat. To calculate a dog's lifetime risk of bloat according to Purdue University's School of Veterinary Medicine, click here.

Stress
Dog shows, mating, whelping, boarding, change in routine, new dog in household, etc.
Although purely anecdotal, we've heard of too many cases where a dog bloated after another dog (particularly a 3rd dog) was brought into the household; perhaps due to stress regarding pack order.
Activities that result in gulping air
Eating habits, especially...
Elevated food bowls
Rapid eating
Eating dry foods that contain citric acid as a preservative (the risk is even worse if the owner moistens the food)
Eating dry foods that contain fat among the first four ingredients
Insufficient pancreatic enzymes, such as Trypsin (a pancreatic enzyme present in meat)
Dogs with untreated Exocrine Pancreatic Insufficiency (EPI) and/or Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth (SIBO) generally produce more gas and thus are at greater risk New
Dilution of gastric juices necessary for complete digestion by drinking too much water before or after eating
Eating gas-producing foods (especially soybean products, brewer's yeast, and alfalfa)
Drinking too much water too quickly (can cause gulping of air)
Exercise before and especially after eating
Heredity
Especially having a first-degree relative who has bloated
Dogs who have untreated Exocrine Pancreatic Insufficiency (EPI) are considered more prone to bloat New
Gas is associated with incomplete digestion
Build & Physical Characteristics
Having a deep and narrow chest compared to other dogs of the same breed
Older dogs
Big dogs
Males
Being underweight
Disposition
Fearful or anxious temperament
Prone to stress
History of aggression toward other dogs or peoplePrevention

Some of the advice in the links below for reducing the chances of bloat are:

Avoid highly stressful situations. If you can't avoid them, try to minimize the stress as much as possible. Be extra watchful.
Can be brought on by visits to the vet, dog shows, mating, whelping, boarding, new dog in household, change in routine, etc. Revised
Do not use an elevated food bowl
Do not exercise for at least an hour (longer if possible) before and especially after eating
Particularly avoid vigorous exercise and don't permit your dog to roll over, which could cause the stomach to twist
Do not permit rapid eating
Feed 2 or 3 meals daily, instead of just one
Do not give water one hour before or after a meal
It dilutes the gastric juices necessary for proper digestion, which leads to gas production.
Always keep a product with simethicone (e.g., Mylanta Gas (not regular Mylanta), Phazyme, Gas-X, etc.) on hand to treat gas symptoms.
Some recommend giving your dog simethicone immediately if your dog burps more than once or shows other signs of gas.
Some report relief of gas symptoms with 1/2 tsp of nutmeg or the homeopathic remedy Nux moschata 30
Allow access to fresh water at all times, except before and after meals
Make meals a peaceful, stress-free time
When switching dog food, do so gradually (allow several weeks)
Do not feed dry food exclusively
Feed a high-protein (>30%) diet, particularly of raw meat
If feeding dry food, avoid foods that contain fat as one of the first four ingredients
If feeding dry foods, avoid foods that contain citric acid
If you must use a dry food containing citric acid, do not pre-moisten the food
If feeding dry food, select one that includes rendered meat meal with bone product among the first four ingredients
Reduce carbohydrates as much as possible (e.g., typical in many commercial dog biscuits)
Feed a high-quality diet
Whole, unprocessed foods are especially beneficial
Feed adequate amount of fiber (for commercial dog food, at least 3.00% crude fiber)
Add an enzyme product to food (e.g., Prozyme)
Include herbs specially mixed for pets that reduce gas (e.g., N.R. Special Blend)
Avoid brewer's yeast, alfalfa, and soybean products
Promote an acidic environment in the intestine
Some recommend 1-2 Tbs of Aloe Vera Gel or 1 Tbs of apple cider vinegar given right after each meal
Promote "friendly" bacteria in the intestine, e.g. from "probiotics" such as supplemental acidophilus
Avoids fermentation of carbohydrates, which can cause gas quickly.
This is especially a concern when antibiotics are given since antibiotics tend to reduce levels of "friendly" bacteria. [Note: Probiotics should be given at least 2-4 hours apart from antibiotics so they won't be destroyed.] New
Don't permit excessive, rapid drinking
Especially a consideration on hot days