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[girldogue]

Vudu is an excellent female in all departments - type & temperament - she deserved the win this year !

My filas passed their herding instinct test - the male I had was totally natural and good at herding - the female not so much although she did what I asked of her she was much better in the guard department and had I lived on some big ass farm she would have been the house guard while the male would have been the ranch hand .
I think if I ever have the chance to test Sully he might do ok at it - Cassie is a little young to guess - but there really are no tests anymore that are fila friendly - I think the local AKC people might well have a heart attack if I showed up with the filas to move their goats around .

 

[dogman#1]

BTW Ace, I missed the sarcasm the first time around. instead of attempting to discredit my argument, opinions and fact why dont you attempt to give your opinion credit?

 

[girldogue]

Sully was 2011 CAFIB best male. We could not make it to the 2012 show unfortunately...

 

[Dogue]

Very nice pics Juan! You too Suzy, love that Sully!

 

[aceoutdoor]

well if they are not good enough to win in the CBKC circuit and MOST of them cant pass a CAFIB evaluation then what standard are they really following? The dogs that win championships are suppose to be the epitome (or as close as one can get) to the standard.

^So it needs to have the total package=Looks and temperament. And best in show is supposed to be the best dog there.

Not one of my dogs would ever take its eyes off the agitator much less come to me or get behind me. They should keep the theat at bay not invite him closer, but I have seen so many CAFIB dogs circle around and get behind which in a real situation could be a deadly mistake for the owner. And if you guys go to all the trouble to get Prince Charles over here for shows you should at least teach him the proper ways of agitation- you are supposed to have the dogs attack you, not tell him to sit and then stuff the sleeve in his mouth.

2011 US CAFIB "Champ".......

 

[Dogue]

^So it needs to have the total package=Looks and temperament. And best in show is supposed to be the best dog there.

Not one of my dogs would ever take its eyes off the agitator much less come to me or get behind me. They should keep the theat at bay not invite him closer, but I have seen so many CAFIB dogs circle around and get behind which in a real situation could be a deadly mistake for the owner. And if you guys go to all the trouble to get Prince Charles over here for shows you should at least teach him the proper ways of agitation- you are supposed to have the dogs attack you, not tell him to sit and then stuff the sleeve in his mouth.

2011 US CAFIB "Champ".......

Ace, I've never seen any footage of a CAFIB Fila getting behind the owner. In fact, they generally charge up going for the agitator's neck. Far from circling and getting behind the owner. If you're going to find fault regarding CAFIB Fila temperament please post a video. Or be objective, for example, The CAFIB Fila's attack style of charging up would possible be a deficit because it exposes the dog's vitals when the assailent has a knife. Postulating that the majority of CAFIB Filas you've observed act cowardly doesn't state your case. BTW, I love seeing a CAFIB Fila charge up in the air going for the agitator's neck.

 

[dogman#1]

^So it needs to have the total package=Looks and temperament. And best in show is supposed to be the best dog there.

Not one of my dogs would ever take its eyes off the agitator much less come to me or get behind me. They should keep the theat at bay not invite him closer, but I have seen so many CAFIB dogs circle around and get behind which in a real situation could be a deadly mistake for the owner. And if you guys go to all the trouble to get Prince Charles over here for shows you should at least teach him the proper ways of agitation- you are supposed to have the dogs attack you, not tell him to sit and then stuff the sleeve in his mouth.
2011 US CAFIB "Champ".......

And there you have it folks... someone took some of the worst uneditted pics from my photobucket, relabled them (sit booboo sit, good one) and is using them for their own retarded purpose... now we know ONE of the reasons why I had to close the account. you have absolutly no idea what is going on in those pictures because you werent there, plain and simple. Dogue, it can happen but when it does the dog is automatically disqaulified, meaning cannot be used for breeding. CAFIB tests are done before the actual show and should be done before breeding as well. In CBKC they are only done in order to get a championship.

 

[aceoutdoor]

It is a picture of the 2011 CAFIB "Champ" to at least the side of its owner, facing away from an agitator who is armed with a weapon held above his head(extremely threatening armed position) and approximately 6-8 feet in front of the owner. There is no situation in which that is acceptable for any Fila. It doesn't matter whats going on it is UNACCEPTABLE for a Fila period and any objective Fila owner would agree 100%. The picture speaks for itself no matter how you try to spin it.

 

[dogman#1]

lol, dude you know full well that is not true. see what you dont see there is that the owner had just finished making a turn so the fila is, at that moment turning around and that is when the agitator started his "attack" do you by any chance show the pictures immediately following that pic? well, i do... does anyone want to see those? i will post them as soon as someone tells me how to post from photobucket. Ace, when i posted CBKC champions I took the photos (actually the actual website) that the owners felt they made their dog look best. you took completely unedited pics of a really nice bitch in awkward times... its o.k, I got a nice CBKC one for you from a bitch that actually looks pretty good in a very awkward position while at a show... have at it brother. this dog is getting a colonoscopy doneand a dental check up by the judge (A stranger).

 

[sammiefishsticks]

So, to be clear, you're saying that the 2011 CAFIB "Champ" is actually a very bad example of a good Fila because a good one would never turn its back on an agitator and this is a temperament fault? I try to follow these Fila arguments since they're so interesting but if you don't read carefully it's easy to get it wrong. What's the main issue between CAFIB and CKBC people? Also, is champ the dogs name or is "champ" meant as a dig?

 

[dogman#1]

That folks is what CBKC has in store for Fila Brasileiros and why CAFIB was formed. enough said.

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So, to be clear, you're saying that the 2011 CAFIB "Champ" is actually a very bad example of a good Fila because a good one would never turn its back on an agitator and this is a temperament fault? I try to follow these Fila arguments since they're so interesting but if you don't read carefully it's easy to get it wrong. What's the main issue between CAFIB and CKBC people? Also, is champ the dogs name or is "champ" meant as a dig?

No, what I meant was that this is not the dog retreating this is the dog actually seeing the agitator for the first time. she isnt a bad example she is a very good example of a Fila with a cpl of really misleading and awkward pics. she was the champion of the expo in 2011

 

[dogman#1]

So, to be clear, you're saying that the 2011 CAFIB "Champ" is actually a very bad example of a good Fila because a good one would never turn its back on an agitator and this is a temperament fault? I try to follow these Fila arguments since they're so interesting but if you don't read carefully it's easy to get it wrong. What's the main issue between CAFIB and CKBC people? Also, is champ the dogs name or is "champ" meant as a dig?

No, what I meant was that this is not the dog retreating this is the dog actually seeing the agitator for the first time. she isnt a bad example she is a very good example of a Fila with a cpl of really misleading and awkward pics. she was the champion of the expo in 2011. the difference between CAFIB and CBKC is the difference between night and day... it will take days to explain, lol.

 

[aceoutdoor]

galante do itanhandu..........Boom Pow!!
"A stranger"

 

[dogman#1]

damn it, cant figure out how to post from FB... any suggestions?

 

[aceoutdoor]

So, to be clear, you're saying that the 2011 CAFIB "Champ" is actually a very bad example of a good Fila because a good one would never turn its back on an agitator and this is a temperament fault? I try to follow these Fila arguments since they're so interesting but if you don't read carefully it's easy to get it wrong. What's the main issue between CAFIB and CKBC people? Also, is champ the dogs name or is "champ" meant as a dig?

That dog was judged the 2011 "Champion", if it was my dog and it pulled that upset off I would rename it Champ LOL. But seriously a Fila should always stand in front of its owner and in between its owner and the threat at all times even after a bite. Filas that bite and then retreat for reassurance from their owner typically have weak nerves. Rounding corners, doing jumping jacks whatever that dog should have been on him long, long ago. And holding a weapon over your head can get you bit by non aggressive breeds, its infact probably the most threatening thing a human can do to a canine. Its just downright unacceptable for that Fila to be in that position at any time for any reason while that agitiator is anywhere near its owner in that posture.

 

[dogman#1]

galante do itanhandu..........Boom Pow!!
View attachment 12040"A stranger"

Interesting except... this is galante do Itanhandu... they dont look like the same dog to me.. KAPOW! what are you a politician?

 

[dogman#1]

That dog was judged the 2011 "Champion", if it was my dog and it pulled that upset off I would rename it Champ LOL. But seriously a Fila should always stand in front of its owner and in between its owner and the threat at all times even after a bite. Filas that bite and then retreat for reassurance from their owner typically have weak nerves. Rounding corners, doing jumping jacks whatever that dog should have been on him long, long ago. And holding a weapon over your head can get you bit by non aggressive breeds. Its just downright unacceptable.

so the dog should have been on him even before it saw him.. you do have an impressive dog, lol.
gonna go smoke, do me a favor and do something productive and find out how to post pics from photobucket.

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That dog was judged the 2011 "Champion", if it was my dog and it pulled that upset off I would rename it Champ LOL. But seriously a Fila should always stand in front of its owner and in between its owner and the threat at all times even after a bite. Filas that bite and then retreat for reassurance from their owner typically have weak nerves. Rounding corners, doing jumping jacks whatever that dog should have been on him long, long ago. And holding a weapon over your head can get you bit by non aggressive breeds. Its just downright unacceptable.

<br><br>so the dog should have been on him even before it saw him.. you do have an impressive dog, lol.

 

[dogman#1]

dbl post.

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BTW forget that it might not even be Galante do itanhandu or not... that pic was obviously not taken at a CAFIB show and if it was to have been a CAFIB show then that dog would have been disqualified because of bad temp... get it? but knowing that it was at a non CAFIB show that dog shows proper temperament for that.. since it would be disqualified (meaning can no longer be called CAFIB) then it is what? well it has CBKC papers just like any fila (CAFIB or not) so now it produces under the gene pool of non CAFIB.

 

[dogman#1]

BTW forget that it might not even be Galante do itanhandu or not... that pic was obviously not taken at a CAFIB show and if it was to have been a CAFIB show then that dog would have been disqualified because of bad temp... get it? but knowing that it was at a non CAFIB show that dog shows proper temperament for that.. since it would be disqualified (meaning can no longer be called CAFIB) then it is what? well it has CBKC papers just like any fila (CAFIB or not) so now it produces under the gene pool of non CAFIB.

 

[dogman#1]

First one is of Sully, the next 2 are of the same dog as the one Ace posted, the last being immediately after that pic he posted and before the last pic he posted....