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French mastiff personality

moe30322

Member
Ive been looking at getting a french mastiff, but before i do i have some questions abou the breed. Im hoping to get some feedback. I grew up with great danes and i have raised two english mastiffs. Both breeds being fairly easy to train. Im wondering how easy a french mastiff is to train? Are most of the males even neutered aggressive with other dogs? We have a small lab that isnt neutered and he is fairly submissive with other dogs. Are they really suspicious of all strangers? If i do get a pup i plan to socialize it a lot with kids, people, and other dogs. If anyone can answer these questions i would greatly appreciate it. I just really want a goofy loveable family dog but could protect me if needed to be.
 

lizzy_troy

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Following....

We have done lots of research on DDBs, and we have had our puppy for almost three weeks now. We're still learning, so I want to hear what the owners with experience have to say. :)
 

Big guy

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Mine is only 8 months so I am no expert but......so far she has been fantastic with my young kidsand loves being part of the family. I dont think they could cope being kept apart from the family unit. If you dont like dogs inside, don't get one. There is a reason why so many photos of them are on the couch. Positive reinforcement is a must as they dont like being yelled at and will shut down if you yell or shout at them. Lulu also likes to be by herself on her bed and generally leaves vistors alone once she has scoped them out. They are a great dog and extension to the family.
 

musicdeb

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DDB's are very smart and very, did I say very, STUBBORN! Socialization is key and OB training is key to a successful relationship with you and the pup.

What sex is the lab? Generally, DDB's do not do well with same sex pups.

The old saying goes, "A DDB may not start the fight but they will finish it." They are guardian dogs and they will guard their family. They have a keen instinct for possible danger to you and their family, pay attention when they do not like someone.

Here's some puppy info to help you out when you get your new family member.

The following tips/suggestions are based on my experience as a dog mommy, forum member’s posts and volunteering at an animal shelter for a year.

*CRATE THE PUP

You want to crate train the pup. Make sure you have a blanket, stuffed animal (about their size) and white noise (ticking clock or ipod with soft music) so the pup can sleep. The pup is used to cuddling with siblings.

*SECURE THE PUP NEAR THE FAMILY

You want to keep the pup in a room with a family member. Mastiffs need to be near their family members.

*FOOD

Find out what kind of food the shelter/rescue/breeder was feeding the pup and continue to feed it to the pup until you transition to a newer food, if you want. Most shelters/rescues use the cheapest food, meaning it is not very good for the pup.

Slow transition to the new food is as follows to prevent diarrhea. If at any time during the transition, the pup has diarrhea return to previous amounts of food per feeding.

Amount per feeding:

Day 1-4 ¾ cup of old food and ¼ cup of new food.

Day 5-9 ½ cup of old food and ½ cup of new food.

Day 10-14 ¾ cup of new food and ¼ cup of old food

Day 15 Start 100% of new food

Generally, mastiffs are allergic to grain and chicken found in kibble. There are a number of posts on the forum regarding kibble for your new pup. Do a search for food to check them out.

You can check www.dogfoodadvisor.com www.dogfoodanalysis.com On this forum, Smart_Family is our resident food guru.

http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2013/05/31/large-dog-feeding-mistakes.aspx

You may want to check out the raw diet for your pup. Do a forum search for raw or raw diet.

Check out Dr. Becker’s videos on youtube.com for a lot of great information regarding the raw diet.

*PUP NOT EATING WHEN YOU FIRST BRING THEM HOME

They not used to their new environment and this is a natural behavior. Take the pup to a quiet place at meal times and sit and hand feed the pup. This will help the pup to eat when they are placed in a calm atmosphere, helps you to bond with the pup and helps the pup establish trust with you. As they become settled, they will naturally follow your routine.

*GETTING THE PUP USED TO THE LEASH

You want to keep the leash on the pup for a few hours each day while in the house so they gets used to it. This will help when you try to walk him outside.

*PROTECT THE PUP FROM DISEASE

Keep the pup in your yard and place newspapers down where they will walk on the ground. Keep the pup away from dog areas unless they have had their 2nd set of shots, leaving the pup prone to infection with Parvo or other illnesses. This is very important!

*HOUSE TRAINING YOUR PUP

http://www.aspca.org/pet-care/virtual-pet-behaviorist/dog-behavior/house-training-your-puppy

*TRAINING YOUR PUP

Start basic commands. Train for about 5 minutes per day and slowy increase the training time. Teach one command at a time. Once they master one command, move onto another command.


Number one command is sit. Teach the pup to sit, by placing a treat in front of his head and move it to the back causing him to sit to get the treat. When the pup sits, tell them good sit and give them the treat.

Second command should be "focus/look" This will help you tremendously when the pup is over 100 lbs. Put the pup into sit. With a treat in your hand (let the pup smell it), put the treat up to your eyes and tell the pup to look or focus. They may only do this for about 1-2 seconds. As soon as they look at your eyes, tell them good look or good focus and give the treat. Some mastiffs (DDBs generally) do not like to look anyone in the eyes for long because that means a challenge to them. Titan is up to 35 seconds of looking at me.

Other commands are stay, come, leave it and drop it.

When you are training and when the pup does not do as you ask, then tell him no no no and redirect back to command in a normal voice. The only time a stern and somewhat loud NO should be used is when they are doing something that can cause harm to themselves or others.

For example, when I'm doing the look at me training with Titan. He will look at me and then his eyes will move to the left or right. I say, "no no no, look at me" and he returns to the look to my eyes.

When they do what you want them to do, get all giddy and excited and say, "Yes, good look!" I clap, giggle, and sometimes do a little dance. My dog looks at me like, really woman?

Mastiffs can be extremely stubborn and if you get frustrated with them, they will shut down. Mastiffs do not do well with yelling or hitting. Hitting can result in some unwanted mastiff behavior meaning fear aggression, which equals biting.

*EXERCISE

Puppies can exercise with natural movements and free play like running, stretching, playing on soft surfaces (grass and dirt). This type of exercise is actually healthy and good for their developing bodies but they do need to be able to pace themselves.

Structured exercise/play on hard surfaces and where they don't have they ability to pace themselves is where you need to be very careful. This type of exercise could harm the pup’s joints and bones. Puppies should not do any heavy exercise or walking for the first 1-2 years.

Stairs should be maneuvered while on leash (even in the house) especially going down the stairs. Stairs should have carpet or rubber matting to give the pup traction.

Most mastiffs (DDBs especially) can be very lazy but they still need to exercise. Puppies should not be walked for more than 15-20 minutes for the first 6-8 months and do your best to avoid heavy running or jumping for the first 1-2 years. Excessive jumping, running and long walks (1-2 hours) can cause hip, elbow, knee and joint injuries.

*PUPPY BITING/NIPPING

If you puppy is biting/nipping, then try the following. This behavior can sometimes take a lot of patience and consistency in training.

They bite because that is how they played with their siblings.
When they bite, tell them “OW” in a high-pitched voice and “NO” in a stern, calm voice. NEVER HIT OR YELL AT A MASTIFF. They will shut down on you and ignore you.
When they stop biting, tell them to sit and reward. Tell him “good sit and good no bite.”

*YOUR PUP AND HEAT

Remember, mastiffs do not tolerate heat. In the heat, reduce walk/exercise times. Have clean water available at all times. I freeze towels to either place on Titan or put on the floor for him to lie on in the summer to cool him off. Buy a kiddies’ pool for the pup to play in to keep cool.

*DE-SEXING YOUR PUP

Mastiffs should not be neutered/spayed until 18 months to 2 years. NO MATTER what the vet says. Early neutering can cause growth problems.

Enjoy your baby! Have lots of patience! The pup will reward you with love and loyalty!
 

moe30322

Member
Our lab is a male not neutered but i dont think he acts like a typical unnetured male. Hes pretty laid back and is pretty submissive. Do you think even getting male ddb pup (he would get neuteted of course) and having it grow up withup with another male, they would still have problems. All our neighbors are netured labs and i just dont want to jave problems because on weekends we all sit outside and all the dogs play with each other and i dont want any oroblems. Also do most ddb love water? Thanks for all the info!
 

2nd Chance

Well-Known Member
Im 4 wks into owning a 1yr old.
They are way too stupid looking in a crisis, to be mad at.
They are very cuddly dogs
They leave white slime everywhere, and it looks like semen on your clothes. Often deposited in your crotch area for added OMG factor. Coz slime is not gross enough perhaps.
They are very soft and gentle, in a clumsy 50kg way all of their own.

And get this, the breed standard says they are very brave. ROFLMAO!
who writes that garbage lol
 

lizzy_troy

Well-Known Member
They leave white slime everywhere, and it looks like semen on your clothes. Often deposited in your crotch area for added OMG factor. Coz slime is not gross enough perhaps.

Oh boy!! I can't wait until the day I go to a family dinner, forgetting to check my clothes for slobber! ;) We have some prude people in our family......
 

BeauxJaxson

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I am a first time DDB owner. I have an 18 month old intact male named Beaux.
I can tell you a few things I've learned ( some of which have been previously stated).

* He is the most affectionate/needy dog I have ever been around, needs to be w/ me no matter what I do.
* He has much more energy then I thought when I was researching the breed. He needs to be tired out everyday or he is a handful.
* when tired he is very calm and well behaved.
* STUBBORN !!! knows what I want him to do, doesnt do it unless he wants to, no matter what.
* He didnt drool until he was about 8 mopnths old , now it is comical how much he drools.
* He is well socializied and gets along w/ many dogs, but when he doesnt it's not a good scene. 've worked to correct this behavior but progress is slow.
* Great Watchdog/ welcomes friends in the residence and yard if familiar , otherwise approach w/ extreme caution.
* Loves to swim and play fetch w/ balls & sticks (did not expect this)
* He is small at 23 inches and 95lbs of lean muscle. Not easy for most ppl to handle, it actually takes phytislc a strenght at times to own these dogs.

He is a great dog, and a great breed, not for everyone thats for sure, but I could not imagine life without him.
 

Kujo

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Each dog is different, so my experience will be different from others.

We've had Kujo since he was 3 months old, and he was very easy to train at that age (about 10-15 minutes 3x daily). Now that he's older it's harder to teach him new things, but he's food motivated so with the right treats he's still learning new things, just takes a bit longer. My advice would be to train as much as you can before they hit 7-8 months old, really make leash training a priority as it's much easier to correct them when they're still small.

His personality is wonderful, he's very outgoing and wants to meet everyone and be their friend. He loves children and is mostly very gentle with them (sometimes he moves his butt and knocks them over on accident). He is my shadow, wherever I go he will follow me, this is something you will see in every DDB, they make a special bond with one person in the family and then they're glue to that person. He does bark at folks walking by the fence, but it's not a repetetive bark, just once or twice then he just watches them til they're gone. He is wary of new people at first, he must sniff them and see me hug/interact with them before he will let them pet him, after that he's in their personal space asking for pets lol. I've noticed that as he's matured a bit he wants to dominate other male dogs (humping, standing big and tall over them), nothing has become aggressive yet, but he just seems to need to show them he's the top dog (I've been avoiding interaction with other male dogs because I was expecting this anyway). Now if it's a girl dog, he's all submission and play time lol.

I did exactly what you are talking about, I socialized the hell out of him when he was young, and he has a wonderful personality to show for it. I would be wary of getting a male ddb with an unneutered male already in your home, have you thought about getting a girl? Also, keep in mind it's best not to spay/neuter a mastiff until they are 18 months old.
 

musicdeb

Well-Known Member
Our lab is a male not neutered but i dont think he acts like a typical unnetured male. Hes pretty laid back and is pretty submissive. Do you think even getting male ddb pup (he would get neuteted of course) and having it grow up withup with another male, they would still have problems. All our neighbors are netured labs and i just dont want to jave problems because on weekends we all sit outside and all the dogs play with each other and i dont want any oroblems. Also do most ddb love water? Thanks for all the info!
The lab may be an awesome pup but he may not be so awesome when you bring a new pup into his home. They have to meet on neutral ground. I have info on how to introduce a new pup into your home. Let me know if you want to read it.

I've read stories on this forum where members brought home a male pup with a male in the home. Some did great while some not so much. The 2 pups were ok while the new pup was a puppy but as the puppy grew older, the 2 pups did not get along.

Generally, DDB's cannot swim but will wade into the water. I would recommend a life vest for the DDB in case he gets brave in wades in the water over his head.
 

Zeus and I

Active Member
Ive owned german shepherds and pitbulls. My DDB is nothing like either. My 9 yr pitbull is way more active then he is. My DDB is a week way from 4 months. So my experience isnt alot. Glad he is food motivated cause that helps with training. I had to adjust and get use to not having the drive and WANT to please as my prior dogs. Overall he is great but a handful if not kept busy or away from things cause he will let u know when he doesnt like something. haha
 

NYDDB

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I have had Mateo since he was 8.5 weeks old- he is now just over 2 years.

Some bullet points:

~Very attuned to my emotional state, and will react to even the slightest turn in mood.
~Strong and willful/stubborn, and completely without fear. Very confident dog!
~Can be same sex dog aggressive, but it's manageable. Must put work and training into the DDB for this to be handled well...especially if being brought into a home with another male
~Sweet temperament, loves most people, esp. children. *This may be just Mateo's specific temp; he can be "guardy", esp. at night, but does not growl at strangers, or get defensive.
~LOVES water, and does swim quite well (although I think a vest is a good idea if they are out in the water for awhile- they are big, heavy dogs, after all.)
~Can be very much the clown, and I think he does things on purpose, just to get laughs. :)
~He does have a fairly strong prey drive and will take off after squirrels in a flash (yes, they can move FAST when motivated!)
~MAteo is a quiet DDB- rarely barks at all
~Not very food-motivated, although I have trained him with certain treats he likes
~Not destructive at all- I may just be lucky here!
~He's a sensitive guy and will shut down if stressed or yelled at. He responds best to firm, but calm commands. And he loves to please, so that is very helpful in training/shaping behavior.

Overall a sweet, mellow, confident guy with a lot of charisma. :)
 

BugattiAlva

Well-Known Member
Each dog is different, so my experience will be different from others.

We've had Kujo since he was 3 months old, and he was very easy to train at that age (about 10-15 minutes 3x daily). Now that he's older it's harder to teach him new things, but he's food motivated so with the right treats he's still learning new things, just takes a bit longer. My advice would be to train as much as you can before they hit 7-8 months old, really make leash training a priority as it's much easier to correct them when they're still small.

His personality is wonderful, he's very outgoing and wants to meet everyone and be their friend. He loves children and is mostly very gentle with them (sometimes he moves his butt and knocks them over on accident). He is my shadow, wherever I go he will follow me, this is something you will see in every DDB, they make a special bond with one person in the family and then they're glue to that person. He does bark at folks walking by the fence, but it's not a repetetive bark, just once or twice then he just watches them til they're gone. He is wary of new people at first, he must sniff them and see me hug/interact with them before he will let them pet him, after that he's in their personal space asking for pets lol. I've noticed that as he's matured a bit he wants to dominate other male dogs (humping, standing big and tall over them), nothing has become aggressive yet, but he just seems to need to show them he's the top dog (I've been avoiding interaction with other male dogs because I was expecting this anyway). Now if it's a girl dog, he's all submission and play time lol.

I did exactly what you are talking about, I socialized the hell out of him when he was young, and he has a wonderful personality to show for it. I would be wary of getting a male ddb with an unneutered male already in your home, have you thought about getting a girl? Also, keep in mind it's best not to spay/neuter a mastiff until they are 18 months old.

Hi ! Definitly agree with the: they won't be ok with strangers unless you interact with them. I say hi to random strangers on the street that are walking towards our way on the sidewalk, so my dog will be friendly to them lol.
 

2nd Chance

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Hi ! Definitly agree with the: they won't be ok with strangers unless you interact with them. I say hi to random strangers on the street that are walking towards our way on the sidewalk, so my dog will be friendly to them lol.

I had to laugh at this. It reminded me of a late eve walk, meeting up with 3 drunks in their early 20's. Im being super friendly sto strange drunk men. Why oh why? "Hello, what a lovely night for a walk isnt it" as i pass. the 3 males misunderstood me, thinking i wanted to be VERY friendly. Realising my mistake, i then changed it to "please dont come too close!" Gave my dogs growl command hand signal. The pair of them start up on command. As they do at home for meat treats. Bless.

suddenly, i did not look so friendly. And was left alone and allowed to move away in peace. As in silence from drunks lol.
glad non dog people cant read dogs, or they'd of realized, this was a song, not a aggressive reaction as it appears to ignorant folks.
 

NYDDB

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I had to laugh at this. It reminded me of a late eve walk, meeting up with 3 drunks in their early 20's. Im being super friendly sto strange drunk men. Why oh why? "Hello, what a lovely night for a walk isnt it" as i pass. the 3 males misunderstood me, thinking i wanted to be VERY friendly. Realising my mistake, i then changed it to "please dont come too close!" Gave my dogs growl command hand signal. The pair of them start up on command. As they do at home for meat treats. Bless.

suddenly, i did not look so friendly. And was left alone and allowed to move away in peace. As in silence from drunks lol.
glad non dog people cant read dogs, or they'd of realized, this was a song, not a aggressive reaction as it appears to ignorant folks.

Ok- so I am curious-- how did you teach your dogs to growl on command? I can see where this might come in handy...