Guess Tessa's Mix-Awaiting DNA test results

[northernmastiff]

Oh of course! I was talking more about the paricular shade of B&T the OP says Tessa is. For example look at silver labs, blue or fawn dobermans. Both colors not acceptable and recessive but still being bred because people want the $ they can get for advertising 'rare' colors.d.

I see your points but I want to stress this, Silver Labs are not a recessive gene. If you do the history of Labs, the only lines that silver has been seen is from the line where the breeder also bred Weimaraners. No other line produces silver. You can even see some of the Weimaraner features in the silver lab line. The popular theory is that the breeder had an accidental breeding and lied on the registration forms. Then the silver "labs" sold so he started breeding them. Recessive color genes in labs are black with tan points and white in the same manner as the St. John's Dog. Also, the yellow labs that have the black coloring, almost like the pup has been dipped in black paint.

 

[ruthcatrin]

I have to add, that when a TM owner says their puppy is "laid back" they don't mean "laid back" like most dog owners do. TM pups are SO laid back that they rarely even play with toys! And attempting to get a TM pup to play with a toy results in a look of "do you know how stupid you look?". In public they frequently appear to be sweet, well-behaved and well-trained (even at very young ages), and very non-reactive, when in reality training and sweetness has nothing to do with it and whats really going on is the pup WATCHING everything. Its SUCH a drastic change from typical puppy behavior that it can freak out new owners, especially if they're not properly prepared for it.

 

[voidecho]

I'll stick with Newfie - Rotty.

 

[Boris the Blade]

I see your points but I want to stress this, Silver Labs are not a recessive gene. If you do the history of Labs, the only lines that silver has been seen is from the line where the breeder also bred Weimaraners. No other line produces silver. You can even see some of the Weimaraner features in the silver lab line. The popular theory is that the breeder had an accidental breeding and lied on the registration forms. Then the silver "labs" sold so he started breeding them. Recessive color genes in labs are black with tan points and white in the same manner as the St. John's Dog. Also, the yellow labs that have the black coloring, almost like the pup has been dipped in black paint.[/QUOpTE]
Oh yes I know! My brothers girlfriend has a "silver" lab I told her what made the color and she was flabbergasted as her sister paid a huge sum for basically a mix.
My family had a shepard cross thing that was maybe 40lbs had one blue eye and had NO clue how to play I would try tug, throw balls, try squeekies and stuffies the dog would not do anything!
He would chew bones no problem but other than that he was serious as all heck and would look at you with such intensity! He was never a puppy even at 5wks old( which is a whole other story).
All I was trying to say is every dog is different, and her mannerisms can just be her or even a result of being bounced around, being taken from mom too early, or just her!
Anyway I too can't wait to see what she is! I'm still sticking to newf rott retriever.

 

[northernmastiff]

I see your points but I want to stress this, Silver Labs are not a recessive gene. If you do the history of Labs, the only lines that silver has been seen is from the line where the breeder also bred Weimaraners. No other line produces silver. You can even see some of the Weimaraner features in the silver lab line. The popular theory is that the breeder had an accidental breeding and lied on the registration forms. Then the silver "labs" sold so he started breeding them. Recessive color genes in labs are black with tan points and white in the same manner as the St. John's Dog. Also, the yellow labs that have the black coloring, almost like the pup has been dipped in black paint.[/QUOpTE]
Oh yes I know! My brothers girlfriend has a "silver" lab I told her what made the color and she was flabbergasted as her sister paid a huge sum for basically a mix.
My family had a shepard cross thing that was maybe 40lbs had one blue eye and had NO clue how to play I would try tug, throw balls, try squeekies and stuffies the dog would not do anything!
He would chew bones no problem but other than that he was serious as all heck and would look at you with such intensity! He was never a puppy even at 5wks old( which is a whole other story).
All I was trying to say is every dog is different, and her mannerisms can just be her or even a result of being bounced around, being taken from mom too early, or just her!
Anyway I too can't wait to see what she is! I'm still sticking to newf rott retriever.

Yep, I agree. I hate the silver lab thing if you can't tell. Too many years in the lab world. I was exhausted when we finally retired Petey with all the debates I had silver lab, working vs show labs, proper conformation for labs...I could go on and on. I did a lot on color genetics in labs and wrote a number of pieces on color inheritance and the "rare" colors. Petey, my lab, was a tri. Black male carrying yellow and chocolate. He had the ability to throw the paint dipped pups and the black with tan but never did.

 

[taraann81]

I love reading this thread

 

[Doggyhelpplease]

Your mail takes too long.....I keep checking for the answer. It better be conclusive lol

 

[Catia]

Well accourding to USPS, test was delivered Moday morning, just received email from Mars Veterinary stating they received it today...
And that it would be 2-3 weeks--UGH!!! So I suppose the shipping time is not included.

In their email it said if I have any questions concerning my test & the process I could contact them via phone or email--I'm debating on calling them & explaining I about the possible TM--so that they definately look at that aspect since it is so rare.

Want to note: This is the part of the whole dilemma I am trying to have fun with--the test & the guessing, Tessa could be anything, heck she could be a silver poodle & coon hound!

I'm not sure how things get misconstrued, but I was *not* hoping for Tessa to be TM-That is not why this test is being done.

I knew nothing about TM's before I came here, I came here seeking some explanation for her odd behaviors, and as I learned about TM's,
I became deeply concerned on whether or not I can even handle one, or if I can provide a good enough environment that specific breed, it's quite a bit different than having a dane or shepherd or rotti. I've brought in outside reinforcements, to help me with training in anticipation of her being TM.
That of course would be unnecessary if she's some crazy mix like poodle/coon hound...

Tessa is an odd-ball & does seem to have many many TM characteristics-
and I need to know if she is a guardian breed, or independent breed, because training & socialization would need to be different, along with MANY other aspects of my life.

*** I don't want to rehash those issues in this thread/post however--there is a whole nother post/thread for that--
In the TM section "Frustrated about lack of response" where I am addressing those issues, my doubts & struggles.
It's not a pretty thread, but it's an honest one.

In the mean time, I search puppy & dog pics every day looking for a similar looking poochie mix-picking every crazy mix I can think of!!!

I've learned of breeds I didn't know about before--like Hovawarts, Beauceron, Leonberger ...

Then I saw a pic of a beautiful but slighly odd looking bloodhound, while doing searches of hound mixes--only to see a Fila for the 1st time!!!
And I thought--Holy Crap!!!! Imagine adopting a bloodhound mix to laze around on the front porch while you're sipping lemonade & finding out you got a Fila!!!

Anyway--what would the silvery mask & paw color color Tessa has be called? My pics do not reprsent the colors well.
Honest to god she's got colors like a himilayan cat-I don't know if it's called blue or lavender or what, but it's mixed with a fawn & fades into deep rust-and I don't know what the colors would be called. pics below sort of show it.

 

[allsierra123]

If you look hard enough at most pics of dogs you can see almost any breed in there.

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[LizB]

If you look hard enough at most pics of dogs you can see almost any breed in there.

This is true. When you look at the testing website they show you pics of dogs that they have tested and explain the breed, and sometimes it is really not what you'd expect.

Catia, I'd not give them any clues at all. I think the testing should speak for itself and there shouldn't be any influence, but that's just me!

If she had any blue in her tongue I'd say there was a bit of chow in there, but Rotti for sure. If she had some Pyr in her then maybe that would explain the silvery hairs, but I think lots of dogs could carry the gene that would produce that when mixed with the right set of other genetic material. It is fascinating for sure.

I think you're doing so well by her and I wish the both of you all the best - she's just a stunner.

 

[ruthcatrin]

TMs sometimes have blue or blue spotted tongues lol

I will say, if you get something REALLY weird for the result then whatever that parent really is, its probly something they don't test for.

And yah, we've got a couple folks on here who thought they were getting mastiff/hound crosses.....you think YOU had a shock!

 

[Catia]

Oh my gosh--If I saw one of those pups in a shelter I'd have adopted in a second!!! I had NO IDEA about Fila's-never saw one before recently online.
I have always loved the look of bloodhounds--I read a little & see Fila's are more than a LOT to handle, & I don't ever want one, & I see how easily that mistake could be made, I'll have to read the stories someday when I have time.

Wanted to show people here pics of pure bred Tibetan Mastiffs that are not as poofy as what most people see when doing an online search about TMs-Each one of the pics is a pure bred TM.

 

[Catia]

Ruth--you may've seen the site before but the woman who owns the TM's (Wonton & Noodle)in pics 3 & 5 I think she spins their fur or tried to!!!
She has alpacas too, so the TM's are her livestock guardians.
Pic 3 bag next to pooch is a bag full of fur-not trash. She has a blog, I haven't read all of it.
Imagine for having a real TM sweater/hat scarf from your own pooch--how cool is that?
Kathryn's Brain: Fiber Arts Friday: Blowing their Coat

 

[ruthcatrin]

Lol! The lady who owns Apollo's sister has had her oldest male's shed spun, and I've been saving Apollo's shed this year with the same intention. I'm not much of a knitter, but I imagine its gotta be a wonderfully soft and warm yarn!

 

[ruthcatrin]

And no, I'd not seen that blog before, how cool!

 

[kpost]

My bet would be Newf or Saint mixed with Rottie. Weighing only 18lbs. at almost 12 weeks suggests a large breed mixed with a giant. Don't know much about tm's but that they are Beautiful, relatively rare and I believe about the same size as a Em. The smallest female pup in my boys litter weighed 20lbs at 8 weeks.

 

[ruthcatrin]

TMs are usually quite a bit smaller than EMs.

 

[Doggyhelpplease]

Whats Tessa weight and height now? The last picture (3) you posted her muzzle seems to be different than my TM's in shape but looks like that Gordon setters nose. Just trying to google it up and play the guessing game this morning as I am off. Hope you find out soon as everyone's curiosity I am sure is intrigued. Either way I know you would love her. I was looking at the Newfoundlander's pup nose too but couldn't find a good picture. Rotts are so common that it is probably more likely but many mixed pups are labeled rottie and GS mixes.

 

[Catia]

ok, here's the most recent pics of Tessa btwn 6/26/13 & 7/4/2013

Took her swimming this evening-I swear if you water her fur it grows-tail fur is getting long & looks very setterish-unfortuneately my camera died & I did't get any good pics of her tail.

 

[Catia]

Tessa's 4th of July serenade, her foot, her coat, and of course, last but not least, DROOL
I dunno if you can see those perfect strings & droplets or not!