Is this hip trouble?????

Discussion in 'Health & Nutritional Care' started by umit, Feb 6, 2019.

  1. umit

    umit Member

    Hi
    Luna will have her first bday next week..
    But we had bad news.
    She hesitates to put her right foot down when standing.
    Walking is ok but while trotting right leg moves less:(
    So we had xrays.
    Can you comment please...
     

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  2. marke

    marke Well-Known Member

    if your asking is she dysplastic ? the answer would be yes …… if your asking does it look as if her hips are causing her a problem , I would very much doubt that orthopedically those hips are a problem , maybe soft tissue injury , but certainly not bone …….. I think to evaluate the knee you need a couple more views , and seeing both knees would be helpful , doesn't look obviously problematic ….……. did the vet manipulate the joints looking for pain ? lots if not most dogs of these types sidewind or otherwise do not move symmetrically …….
     
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  3. umit

    umit Member

    Thank you for reply so much!!!
    Yes both wets examined for pain but could not find a spot.
    Orthopedist said there is a little friction while examining her hips.
    Last week she played a lot catch up with dogst hroug a steep hill and fell a couple times,i hope that is the cause.
     
  4. umit

    umit Member

    Update.
    We will try Rimadyl and watch for 15 days.
    After that gold implant is suggested if foot is not comfortable.
     
  5. marke

    marke Well-Known Member

    a gold implant ? for what ? where ? certainly not for the hips ? a dog that's been limping for a week ? those x-rays are a mildly dysplastic dog , I personally see no arthritic changes or djd , the subluxation is unilateral , which is as far as I've seen always mild … don't know about where the "friction" might be coming from …. I believe if the dogs hip joint , or any joint was bone on bone that would be obvious in the x-ray , at one year to be to the point of bone on bone those hips should appear trashed ….. my opinion is you got a dog that hurt it's leg ……. rest and rimadyl as needed , the less you can give and achieve results the better , rest and then lots of walks ……… don't let the dog do what he did when he injured himself again until he's a solid adult , even then it's a high probability exercise to tear an acl on anything less than an extremely well conditioned solid dog , and even they tear them …...
     
  6. umit

    umit Member

    Thanks again!!!
    I really dont know the exact location for implant.Only the doctor where they took xrays suggested that(a university for veterinary).
    But no one including you thinks it is needed at this point.
    I think the steep hill chases with her sister might have caused this.
    We give 75mg daily for 88pound(40kg) ; 80 to 160mg suggested on paper.
    After 24 hours of drug she is happier and makes puppy moves but still not putting her foot as she stands.
     
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  7. marke

    marke Well-Known Member

    did they check her knee for soft tissue damage ? check her toenails , pads , toes ? if you look at the studies for gold implants , the only one I ever seen that showed positive results was opinion based …… the ones that used actual hard data , I've personally never seen one show positive results any different than seen in the control group ……. I believe I remember one that actually showed an increase of inflammation and arthritis from the implants ……. I personal would want to know what their reason for the implant was , a definitive diagnosis . someone would have to point out any arthritis to me in the films you posted , cause I can't see it ? I do see a lax joint , but that's not even excessive , the dog was sedated for the x-ray ?
     
  8. marke

    marke Well-Known Member

    I would discourage the puppy moves for quite awhile until whatever is wrong is healed ………. pain is good for letting an injury heal , rimadyl masks that pain
     
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  9. glen

    glen Super Moderator Staff Member

    I agree with marke id discourage the puppy moves and play, i know it sounds cruel but i dont give pain meds in this situation, gandalf did too much at 13 months, limped bad, rest is best, to dull the pain would add to injury. Hes 4 now hips and joints perfect.
     
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  10. umit

    umit Member

    Yes two different vet checked for pain spots but they did not find any.
    Rimadyl is given by our family vet.
    I limited her move a little.
     
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  11. umit

    umit Member

    So happy he s fine now!!
     
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  12. marke

    marke Well-Known Member

    a dog with bad hips can be raised to minimize problems from HD , arthritis/djd …… personally I don't believe it's supplements , I think it's proper exercise and lots of it , starting from day one ………… I've done it many times ………. minimizing it once it's began very well may involve supplements and medications , but always proper exercise gives the best results ……..

    the x-ray was probably 18 months , the pic 12yrs ……. the dog never limped in his life …….

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  13. TylerDurden

    TylerDurden Well-Known Member

    Umit, I would definitely trust in @marke advice and experience. It has always been excellent on hip and orthopedic questions in general. I‘m glad she is doing better. I would also lean towards the conservative side for now. Quite honestly, I don‘t know how they would talk about an implant if they can‘t even locate the source of the pain. It seems that her issue wasn‘t related to the hips, but rather to rough play. Keep an eye on it, and I‘m positive she will be back to normal soon. Keep us all posted and good luck.
     
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  14. umit

    umit Member

    Thanks for advice.
    I definitely go with Marke!!!
     
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  15. umit

    umit Member

    Such a lovely doggo!!
    I definity see your xray is much different than ours.
    About exercise what do u do??Only walking no plays?
    Are stairs bad for her?
    We have stairs inside our home but she is well used to it.
    We carried as she was smaller.

    Update.She started putting her foot down.
     
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  16. marke

    marke Well-Known Member

    when I started with ddb , the breeds hips were almost completely horrible , very near every dogue was dysplastic , best there was were mildly dysplastic dogues , most typey dogues moved like they were about to fall apart , today their is a definite improvement . pete curley had some good moving dogues , some were typey ...... lots of the popular typey dogues that were being bred / marketed and sold , is what the breed is still trying to recover from , the health history of some of them popular dogues i'm sure has a lot to do with why dogues as a breed don't live as long as they used to .......... today ddb have better hip type but don't live as long , go figure ….... ….. vets saw an x-ray like the one above and acted as if it was a death sentence , had all kinds of crazy ideas to fix it , today not so much .

    as far as exercise , impact and twisting is what you want to avoid , fetch , imo , is a horrible exercise , a flirt pole is horrible ....... it's not feasible for a lot of folks , but pups left loose in a large yard with same age pups 24/7/365 will have better hips than one exercised an hour or two a day .... a skinny pup will grow up with better hips .... walking up stairs is a great low impact exercise , builds a lot of strength and coordination , walking down is a lot of impact on the front , not on the rear ...uncontrolled running up and down stairs , not so good ...... walking up hills is low impact , coming down a bit more on the front , not the rear , but really a good type of exercise , running down hill , bad idea ........... drag pulling low weights is pretty low impact ..... I've known quite a few folks weightpull their dogs at the highest level , they start pulling their pups at 8 weeks , most all of them are American bulldogs , Johnson type , a breed that doesn't exactly have stellar hips , their dogs have way better hips than the breed average .......... I take my pups in the woods on a horse trail by my house and just follow them on light 20 foot leads , serves a bunch of purposes ...... I start taking them 2 weeks after they get their vaccinations which I give at 12 weeks ....... at 14-15 weeks my pups will walk 2-3 miles without a problem , then they are loose in the yard with other pups the rest of the day ........ if they trot I follow them , if they break into a gallop or a lope I tell them no and return them to a trot or walk , if I return them to a walk I tell them walk , they know what walk means .....
    a good moving dog at a slow trot is really no more impact than walking .......... pups need kept strong during their entire growth period , waiting for them to 12-18 months (fully orthopedically developed) and then start exercising the when they are 100+ lbs , imo , is a mistake ...........
     
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  17. umit

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    Thanks again for great post.
    She has been playing with our golden girl since first day.She was 50days old.
    Only change was that steep hill they played last 10 days.I believe that caused our problem.
     
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  18. DennasMom

    DennasMom Well-Known Member

    For any limp, you want to make the dog REST and keep off it.

    Pain meds make them feel like they're not injured, so they want to play and jump around, which can aggravate the injury and slow healing.

    I would suggest you contain the puppy for 4-6 weeks (or until symptoms resolve themselves when OFF pain meds) with just on-leash walks to support circulation. On-leash walks should be slow enough that the dog walks balanced (not limping) and short enough not to make the limp worse after rest.

    Denna tore her CCL, it's a tendon injury that does not show up on x-rays. I hope that's not what you've got, it's a difficult injury... we opted not to do surgery, so it's life-long management for us. She was 5 when injured, past "puppy moves"... and still enjoys her daily walks, now, two years later.
     
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  19. umit

    umit Member

    Great post thanks.
    Yes we controlled her motions as you said.
    We will know better now because medication is finished today so we will keep eyes on her for a while.
     
  20. umit

    umit Member

    Hi again...
    After 10 days of stopping meds back looks ok.
    No limp or hesitation at the back side.
    But we have slight limping while trotting at front legs.
    Can nails cause this?They are a little long.
     

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