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Looking for long-established breeders of DDB

Saibeer

Active Member
We recentlylost our 5 1/2 year old DDB (Spike) to inoperable Lymphoma and are trying tofind long-established breeders in the USA. Tough - really tough, as almost no onereplies to e-mail anymore and my business will not allow me to have a facebookaccount. Trying to get calls returned is as hard as it ever was (I'm no young'neither - trust me) if you can even find the time to sitdown long enough tocompose a phone call chat session who has the time left to make the call.
I really would like some serious feedback from qualified breeders with 10+yearsexperience (and apparently there are very few who fit that bill) with DDB.Anyone with inside knowledge of these established breeders please if youwouldn't mind share the contact information.

I do have to admit that the breeders I have contacted here in Texas have beenresponsive and helpful in at least being able to point me to the moreestablished breeders. And their honesty and sincerity has been most re-assuringand comforting. The one thing I have to point out to everyone is that there areno guarantees even when you cover as many bases as you can imagine. There arestill factors that cannot be accounted for and that's what makes life sointeresting anyway. It is my belief (your results may vary) that long-established breeders have seen just about everything and found some way to work around just about everything else - so they know pretty well when they breed sire/dame what the out-come is going to be (yeah I know no guarentees there either)

I have tried contacting severl breeders without any replies so I am definitely doingsomething wrong - just do not know what it is (other than the fact that theire-mail traffic must be way off the extreme scale and their phone call-back log isa mile long).

I have been at this since before Christmas 2012 so I am getting a littleconcerned about having to go abroad for a decent DDB bred dogue.

I did extensive research with our last one and the breeder here in Texas hadexceptional credentials and all of the hip/elbow (pin scores), heartcertificates and thyroid testing results. I thought I had done all I could as I wantedthis to be the DDB that my son would grow up with (he's just now 5). There supposedly was never anycancer reported in the lines that she was breeding (taking her word on that asI do not have resources to validate that claim); but there is now. I am reallyat a lost as to how to proceed (and yes I know cancer can be caused byenvironmental factors but someone would have to explain how a smoke-free homein Northern Texas would have any unusual cancer factors).

We had DDB's back before most people knew what they were (1984 -Scarlet_male / involved in defensive training with the government of SaudiArabia) most beautiful training class failure I have ever seen. He lived longand happily past 10 as did Jolie who after 12 didn't get up from her afternoonnap one day. We had to continuously watch her because she would stop breathingand then snort a couple of times and go right back to snoring while she slept. The last day wecouldn't get her to start breathing again after she stopped - she was abeautiful-dedicated dogue.
Still kind-of shocked about Spike's early departure so we are trying to getused to not having him around and I think the family (wife and 5-year-old) willbe ready to start over with a new DDB in March/April 2013 time frame (We havealready named him Two Spikes / got to keep things simple around afive-year-old).

Just a little background about what Lymphoma can do:
Spike went down so quick it was like he was disappearing right before oureyes. The chemo never had achance to slow anything down. He lost 25 pounds in one week and the next weekhe was down another 20 pounds. He was gone in less than a month and hecouldn't/wouldn't eat a thing even his favorites.
My family is still trying to adjust to life without a DDB and for everyone whohas had one you know how hard that can be. No one sleeps at night because thehouse is too quite, there's no furniture, walss or floor to clean, everyone is gaining weight because no one has an excuse togo out walking or biking and the alarm system is now on more than it is off.

All suggestions, comments, and thoughts welcome. Thank's for your time and efforts. Hope all get to enjoy the love that these guys have to offer - second to none.
 
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chinabelle

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Sorry to hear about your dog. Losing a dog is just about the worst, and especially so fast. Wish I had some info to help with your search. Good luck!
 

Rugers-Kris

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Oh, I am so sorry for your loss. I have an EM so I don't have any info on the DDB breeders but I am sure some of our folks can help you. Good luck to you, your family and you soon to be "Two spikes". :)
 

Wyo- Dogue de Bordeaux

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We just got our show puppy from http://www.bluediamondshowdogs.com/she is alway open to answering questions and I have met all her Bordeaux's in person. We are very happy with hulk (our new pup). We did a lot of research and we had two breeders that we would trust lines out. Hanna with blue diamond show dogs is one and the other one is joe from http://www.kadounskennels.com/contact.html but we live on the west coast and wanted to make sure we met the people and there dogs.
 

chinabelle

Well-Known Member
Which state is that second breeder located (kadounskennel) ? In all my searches for breeders in surrounding states I never came across this one.
 

Saibeer

Active Member
Everyone;
Thanks for the prompt replies everyone. Everyday I come home from work I have to explain why Spike is not here to my 5-year-old. He just doesn't get it yet so until he does I am not going to bring another pup in no matter how much my wife complains about how lonely the house is when everyone is out. I have to admit I never thought the house could ever look so nice though.
I am currently trying to contact a breeder in Michigan called:
Red Dog Ridge. Their website is quite impressive - but like everyone else I have contacted; I have heard nothing back yet. It must be the time of the year or something?
I know I don't smell that bad.
So far "The Vineyard" nor "Riverbend" have replied either. I don't know anyone else who has been breeding longer than these folks with the success that all of them seem to share.
 

chinabelle

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AVOID RIVERBEND! They will screw you. I know someone who bought there and they refused to make contact for close to a year after puppy sale in regards to the papers. There is also someone else on this forum that had issues getting their puppies papers from them. I tried to make contact before I found this out and they never would get back in touch with me. Just a heads up.
 

Saibeer

Active Member
ChinaBelle;
You are a Godsend. I can only go by what I find out on the web and their site and Champion bloodlines are very impressive. I am very glad to know what others experience is as this wonderful breed is not a casual investment as everyone knows from the get go!

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Chinabelle;
You know I went back checking all my notes regarding my leads and responding breeders (no one more than a couple of years experience) and sure enough two of the breeders here in Texas recommended that I contact Riverbend for an established and healthy bloodline. LOL - I guess they must have thought that getting papers for the pedigree wasn't important. Seriously thanks.
Has anyone even heard of Red Dog Ridge? I really like what I have been able to find about the champions (from their site and other links) and the age of their retired studs.
I am trying to type while using my new-to-me Windows 8.0 computer and I tell you I really do not like this OS no sir I do not like green eggs and ham.
 

Saibeer

Active Member
Chinabelle;
You know I went back checking all my notes regarding my leads and responding breeders (no one more than a couple of years experience) and sure enough two of the breeders here in Texas recommended that I contact Riverbend for an established and healthy bloodline. LOL - I guess they must have thought that getting papers for the pedigree wasn't important. Seriously thanks.
Has anyone even heard of Red Dog Ridge? I really like what I have been able to find about the champions (from their site and other links) and the age of their retired studs.
I am trying to type while using my new-to-me Windows 8.0 computer and I tell you I really do not like this OS no sir I do not like green eggs and ham.
 

NYDDB

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Salibeer- I got my pup from Vinyard Bordeauxs. In all honesty, my feelings are mixed. For sure, Kara is difficult to get a hold of (what is that about so many breeders?!) Anyway, I did visit them, and saw the sire and dam of my pup--and they have a great amount of property with quite a few adult dogues on premises. And they are very devoted to their dogues...

Truthfullly, I could not be happier with my pup (now almost 21 months). Great temperament, calm, and stable..with all the other qualities that we love in our breed (absolutely devoted, fun to be with, and such a clown at times...and with that protective instinct.)

However, as healthy as he is, last year I had to put him through surgery for OCD of his right shoulder (a purely gentic issue.) When I finally spoke to the breeder to get more info from her about it-- or even for support-- she said she didn't even know what OCD was. That kind of shocked me...

Even though my pup's parents did not have this condition, there was a gene somewhere down the line where it must have occured. I would think she would know what it was. Anyway, like I said, he has recovered 100% and is as healthy as could be...and I can only hope that he will continue to be so. Hope this is helpful.
 

Saibeer

Active Member
NTDDB;
Your information is most welcome and your buddy there in your Avatar is gorgeous. I tried loading Spike's picture for my avatar but I must have done something wrong as I do not see it.

Before we bought Spike I searched everywhere I could for breeders who published the PIN scores for their DDB dame&sire matings. We also had Spike heart and thyroid tested regularly - they were great even the last day of his life. The more I hear and find out about other breeders the more I am inclined to talk to Spike's breeder again and see what more we could d to research their lines. The Texas breeder I chose was extremely informative and we never had any issues with Spike's health until the last two weeks of his life and then there was nothing we could do. I do not know which is worse (honestly though I would much rather have my Dogue in whatever capacity he could survive comfortably with).
I still do not rule out Vineyard though as their lines have been around for quite some time.
 

NYDDB

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Salbeer- Thank you...that picture is a bit old; Mateo has become even more handsome as he is getting older. :)

Yes-- I would not rule them out; as I said, I have mixed feelings. Mateo's dam is a daughter of Bam-Bam--very well-known and established stud. And to be honest, you have probably done more research than I did at the time...but it is very difficult to really dig through all the breeder's info. Not saying I would or wouldn't get another pup from VB, but I will research a little more, just because I will know more what to ask about...

And I would love to see a picture of Spike...so sorry for your loss; can't imagine the heartbreak.
 

Saibeer

Active Member
Chinabelle;
I have heard and actually been in contact with Butterball bullies. They had already referred me to another breeder who did more rigorous health testing (not to say anything negative about what they are currently doing - they just do not see a need for some of what I was talking about). They thought a breeder with more years experience may be better suited to discuss some of my concerns. I really did like what I saw though from their website.
I had never heard of Rustic farms though and once I went to their site I see why I have not found them on my radar screenings - I have always concentrated on breeders who only bred one breed. It is difficult enough managing one breed's nuances - I can't imagine how difficult it must be working with everything that they have going on at the farm. The site looks very impressive though and you have to give them high marks for their rescue efforts.
I'll tell everyone else another great breeder that I am keeping on the "A" list and that is Ivy Bordeaux. I really like their dedication and honesty. They have bar none been the most informative and yes fun to talk with. They also referred me to another breeder for the same reasons. I haven't heard from either of the breeders that they referred me to though. That is why I am here trying to find out more about breeders of DDB's
 

Saibeer

Active Member
Does anyone have direct experience with Big House Bordeaux?
Their website is the most impressive that I have seen of all the breeders and supposedly they have been breeding since the breed was considered endangered in the 80's when I first found out about them.
If I should start a new thread let me know as this information is rather important.
 

Saibeer

Active Member
Everyone;
I had a talk with Bonnie Gordon from Big House Bordeaux out of New Jersey.:cool:
She, hands down, has been the most knowledgeable breeder that I have had the pleasure to get to know and to discuss my concerns. She has been with this breed for more than 25 years and has been through and experienced most all of the things that we all worry about. If you get stumped and wish you could find an answer I would highly recommend thinking about including her on your resource list.
Her website is http://www.bighousebordeaux.com and I did ask her before posting this whether or not she would comment about advancing this breed's standard and helping with health issues. She said that she would be more than happy to let anyone know what she believes and feels about this breed. There are no guarentees in life and seldom are health problems so simple that there's a silver bullet fix, but she could provide some ideas as to possible actions and what to expect.
Never before have I ever encountered someone more willing to share so much with an owner before. She was able to talk to me as if I were a breeder myself - when in fact I would never attempt to breed such a difficult breed - but I can't be without one and I know you all know what I am talking about.
Hope everyone finds the Dogue that they have always wanted - I know all of my exhaustive research electronic and literature based has provided me with my dream-companion for my family.
Thanks to all of who participated in this post your input was most valuable to my efforts.
 

chinabelle

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I have checked out her site many times as she has fantastic dogs. Keep us posted on whether you end up getting one....now or in the future.
 

Gregory5

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We are getting our DDB pup from one of Bonnie's sire's litters. She is definitely most knowledgable and helpful. I believe there were two litters (one that I am getting my pup from) and the other is also sired from one of Bonnie's other males.
 

Saibeer

Active Member
Chinabelle;
I am already signed up for a male. I wouldn't consider other options at this point and will be willing to wait for when she decides to put another litter together. I will let every know when my new family addition gets to the house you can bet on that.
Someone in the Dallas area is getting a puppy from this last litter that she put together. I didn't ask who as they have not received the Dogue yet. I love what she is doing holding them until 9 weeks once they have safely received all of their shots and you are not gambling on an unexperienced clinc to time everything right to prevent any issues (which apparently happen more often then we have been told).

Gregory 5;
I do not see where you are from. Would love to see your new family member. You are most fortunate as her line is as solid (standard/temperment/health) as the breed currently has to offer. Bonnie is continuously looking to improve this breed at every turn so I am sure we will be hearing a lot more good things from her efforts.