Mastiff hybrids

Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by Patrick, Mar 25, 2020.

  1. Patrick

    Patrick Member

    Hello everyone,
    I am new to the site and I would like your insight on something. I research about all types of Mastiffs. Lately I have been finding websites about hybrid mastiffs... Mixing different Mastiffs for a better temperament, health , and size. I even read about a future breed in the making called Molloso Presa Mayo... I was just wondering about your thoughts on hybrid and new breeds of Mastiffs....
     
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  2. Chase baumgartner

    Chase baumgartner New Member

    I have an American bandogge which is hybrid of the American bulldog and mastiff. Very Intelligent. Very smart and easily trained. Does fabulous with my kids and very protective of everyone in the house.
     
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  3. Patrick

    Patrick Member

    I just had a friend ask to breed my boy Magic with his Pure breed Pressa Canario... i declined ONLY bc my boy is just 14 months old(15 months on May 7). I told him on her next cycle to come on over..
     
  4. Boxergirl

    Boxergirl Well-Known Member

    Patrick, why do you want to breed and why a mixed breed?
     
  5. Patrick

    Patrick Member

    Personally...
    I would love a mix between Magic and a Pressa. I believe the pups would be more muscular, and a Great family protection dog... the thought of that combo actually excites me. I honestly hadn't thought of breeding Magic until my friend started pressing me about it.
     
  6. Boxergirl

    Boxergirl Well-Known Member

    You've probably figured out I have pretty strong opinions. So here's my unsolicited opinion. I worked rescue for many years and have had many dogs from one time litters as fosters. I believe being a breeder is a huge commitment. Even if you only breed once, you're still a breeder. The lives you allow into this world are your responsibility forever. In many ways. I would never, ever advocate for creating a mix unless someone is extremely learned in genetics and for the betterment of the breed. You have absolutely no way to know exactly what you'll get with a mix. Of course that's your choice. I would strongly encourage you to make sure that all health testing is done on both dogs. Not a vet check. Testing. Certified hips, heart, thyroid, eyes, DM - I'd have to look up what tests are done for the two breeds specifically. It's vitally important to make sure that the bitch will complement and balance out any issues your boy may have, and he balance out hers. No dog is perfect. The goal of breeding should be the betterment of the breed. That means temperament and health. You should also check with your breeder. Most dogs from a responsible breeder are sold on a limited registration.

    I know you're very interested in these mixed breeds from other threads you've made. You know I'm very against mixing just because you can. My opinion is just that, an opinion from some person on the internet. But I honestly hope you think long and hard before deciding to do this. There are more than enough mixed breed dogs looking for homes. The mix you're considering making requires a certain kind of owner. A type of owner that I honestly believe to be in short supply. I would also say that at your dog's age (not sure of the age of the female) you still haven't seen what his adult temperament will be. A two or three year old can be a very different dog than the fifteen month old you have now. At the very least, wait until he's old enough to have the testing done (no dog should be bred before the age of 2 at the earliest) and see where you're all at then. Time to research responsible breeding and health testing. I know you love your dog and would want any pups of his to be as healthy and temperamentally sound as possible. Just some things to think about and no offense intended.
     
  7. Loverboy Skyline

    Loverboy Skyline Active Member

    Just my opinion, but isn't there enough variety out there for anyone who wants a Mastiff breed. Want a gigantic dog that's good with kids and has an easy going temperament? Get an English Mastiff. Is the English Mastiff too big? Get a Bullmastiff. Want a loyal and athletic protection dog? Get a Cane Corso. Want an even bigger protection dog, and you're very good at handling dogs? Get a Presa. Want a huge fearless farm dog that can catch wild hogs? Get a Boerboel. How much more variety do we need? Keep in mind that when you combine different breeds, results are less predictable, so what's the benefit of it really?
     
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  8. Patrick

    Patrick Member

    I greatly appreciate your advice and concerns. Magic is only 15 months(will be on Thursday) and is Not old enough. His female is 2.5 yrs old. We still have time to see how Magic tests and if his temperament changes. I am in no rush. I am excited about having a child that would come from Magic.... but of course I want to take all precautions to ensure the pups are physically, psychologically, and emotionally healthy. There is no rush for me .....and with that said... time will tell.
     
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  9. Sheila Braund

    Sheila Braund Well-Known Member

    I'm on the no said for mixing mastiff breeds....hears why, around me there are some backyard breeders trying to breed a mastiff that drool less but keep the size...I've seen EM mixed with a working breed. Cannot remember what it was now....but let me tell you what they got...they have the EM size....but very very hyper. Very very hard to control....even though they still had the awesome mastiff drool....these dogs where dangerous.... most of the dogs where returned to the breeder....and he had to put them down because he couldn't handle them. So be careful of what the mix is. I agree with Boxergirl....the breeds should compliment each other.
    Oh my husband just walked it....the breed was australian shepherd....what a mess if you ask me. So these dogs where 160lbs uncontrollable dogs. No where for them to be worked. So they ended up being put down :mad:
     
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  10. Chase baumgartner

    Chase baumgartner New Member

    I would stud my boy out 57B89F3F-64AA-485D-AF59-784A1508120D.jpeg
     
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  11. glen

    glen Super Moderator Staff Member

    20170620_134608.jpg i have 3 males, all health tested, all amazing to me, i will never stud them out,
     

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  12. Patrick

    Patrick Member

    It is great to see the responses.... Many I don't agree with at all.... i haven't made my mind up on what I will do. Right now zMagic and I are in Protection training so that is our focus. I am a believer in to each his/her own. Anyone can give their opinion... Especially if it is solicited.....lol
    But to judge or condem someone for Not seeing it the way you see it.....that is hilarious to me.... and to assume you love you pet more than I love mine..... smh....

    With all that being said....... i ASKED for people's opinions.... and i thank you for your responses.... but i am not easily swayed. I will do what I want in the end.. right now I am not sure what that is.... once again,
    I really appreciate your viewpoints...
     
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  13. Patrick

    Patrick Member


    Thanks for your response.... and it wasnt unsolicited..... i actually asked for peoples opinions....
     
  14. Boxergirl

    Boxergirl Well-Known Member

    Lol. I figured it was unsolicited because you didn't really ask about breeding your dog, but about mastiff hybrids. Anyway - I still strongly suggest you contact your breeder to make sure you have breeding rights. Possibly they'd want to be your mentor.
     
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  15. Dea

    Dea New Member

    Chase, my 31 year old son has developed severe gastroparesis recently. He's having trouble adjusting and has become depressed. I suggested another dog. (His passed away 3 yrs.ago.) He expressed a desire for an American Bulldog because his friend has one and he fell in love with it! I'm trying to find a rescue, but I'm seeing a lot of American Bulldogs/Mastiffs...and a lot of American Bulldogs/Pitbulls.
    Any suggestions?
     
  16. Chase baumgartner

    Chase baumgartner New Member

    So I’m not a pitbull fan (. Just not my thing) nothing against them. My wife loves pits. My american bandogge (mastiff American bully). Is a gentle giant. He’s big but not huge like a mastiff. Was very easy to train does extremely well with my kids (3,5,9,13) I’m not really familiar with the condition you speak of. But what little I do know you going to want one that is calm and not to crazy. I really wish I could give you a better suggestion. And I have never done rescues. I’m sorry
     
  17. Chase baumgartner

    Chase baumgartner New Member

    We are a family of 6. We have 2 dogs and 3 cats. We are looking into another pup. Just haven’t come across the right one. Honestly I think if you and your son are for sure thinking a dog. Find what fits you. You will be able to find the “right companion”. I also have a beagle lab pit bull mix and she’s a sweet heart and my 13 yr old stepsons best friend ( he his battling with depression and his sexuality). ( I don’t need negative feedback in this. My house anyone can be who they want to be with no judgement from anywhere) It’s the connection they have that makes him happy. Rescues I do know can be some of the best and loyal companions do to a bad past life etc. look around good shelters will let you interact and feel out what you are looking for. I am also the type of person that doesn’t believe a dog (family member) should have a price tag. Loving home is price less. Best of luck in your search
     
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  18. Boxergirl

    Boxergirl Well-Known Member

    Welcome Dea. Gastroparesis sucks. My boxer boy, Roy, has megaesophagus and gastroparesis. I'm sorry your son is dealing with it. I know how bad my boy feels sometimes.

    I wouldn't go to a shelter because you're looking for a dog with particular attributes and temperament traits. Shelter workers aren't usually able to get to know the dogs and it's such a stressful environment that you don't often see the true dog. If you do want to go to a shelter, ask to talk to the kennel workers. They tend to know the dogs better. Honestly, I would seek out a good rescue that has their dogs in foster homes. I was a foster for boxer rescue, among other things, for many years. Every dog that came to me was "mine." I worked hard with them and because they were part of my household I was able to really get to know what their good qualities were. And their less desirable qualities. I made sure every potential adopter knew the "bad" things and if the dog didn't fit their needs, I was very vocal about it. I wanted a good fit for my dogs, not just a placement.

    Know that it's not inexpensive to adopt a rescue. Fees can seem high. The explanation for that is that it takes a lot of money to run a rescue. Many of the dogs that come in need extensive medical care and rehabilitation. The dogs that don't need much - their fee goes toward the bills of the dogs that do need. It's also really expensive to feed all those animals. I know a lot of people that were upset at the adoption fee, so I wanted to warn you about it up front. If there's anything I can do to help you, please let me know and I wish you the best of luck.
     
  19. Loverboy Skyline

    Loverboy Skyline Active Member

    I owned 2 American Bulldogs and I've been around the breed a lot. In my experience they are the most loving, loyal, and affectionate dogs and they would make great therapy dogs. Personally, I'd recommend a purebred AB with at least 50% Johnson if you want a dog who's good around the house, calm, and not destructive. The performance AB's are better for people who want to work their dogs because they can be a handful if you don't give them something to do. My Johnson AB was lazy around the house, very loyal and affectionate, but could also do protection and hog work. If I compare him to my Bullmastiff, I'd say my AB was more loyal, affectionate, and trainable, and he loved everybody he met. My Bullmastiff is more independent, wary of strangers, and has good guard dog instincts. Of course individual dogs vary.

    A lot of people cross AB's with Mastiffs to make Bandogges. To me that like rolling dice and hoping for a dog that looks and acts like a Presa or a Cane Corso. So why not just get a purebreed and increase your odds of getting a dog with the looks and temperament you want?
     
  20. Loverboy Skyline

    Loverboy Skyline Active Member

    BTW if you decide on a rescue, in my opinion the AB and Pitbull cross would be more predictable. I believe those 2 breeds are closely related, and you'll probably get the loyalty and loving disposition that both breeds are know for. I've known hog men who crossed them. Nothing wrong with Mastiffs. They usually have very stable temperaments, but crosses with Pits have been known to have unpredictable results.
     

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