there is no point to be made to someone that thinks its cruelty to animals to leave a dog outside lol
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@Tiger12490: "Dumb" here having the classical meaning of "unable to speak", not "stupid" - the reference in whole to "dumb beast" is a broad reference to animals who are unable to communicate on human terms. Just clarifying there, was certainly not implying that dogs are stupid or anything.
I am not offended by the position you (or others) take, which I thought was clear from the third paragraph, and I didn't not see any instances of name-calling from either side so I'm not entirely sure where you're taking that from, especially since it's apparently directed at my post. I do not feel I've been insulted - actually my only other post here was in direct response to the OP's query about disagreements with a SO over a dog's living conditions.
My entire point, which seems to have gotten lost, is that regardless of which way you choose to interpret your dog's emotional capacity and needs is just that: a choice. You choose to believe your dog is primarily a tool (in the sense of an item used to perform work), others choose to believe their dog is a hairy child. There's nothing wrong with either but the way you and some other posters here are behaving, it's as though only the way you believe is correct and only you are being polite and everyone else is just ignorant. It's certainly not limited to just you or anyone else.
I'm also not sure how I'm supposed to respond to the suggestion to put my horse on a couch. It would make as much sense to take my goldfish out of his tank and put him in the dog kennel. It doesn't make sense as a rebuttal or a proper analogy. My point with that statement was to illustrate that domestic animals today of all kinds are generally far removed from their original treatment and purpose and that to ignore the advances made by humanity in that same space of time with relation to our treatment of animals would be, possibly, flippant. I have great respect for working animals and the people who care for them, but a working cutting horse in Wyoming is not the same animal as a trail-rider in the Midwest. They are the same species but for entirely different purposes. I would have hoped that was clear from the context. By that same token, it would be wrong to assume that because I keep pets I'm unaware of the meat animal industry. Horses are indeed eaten in many countries, just as dogs are, but they are not the same as pets in those countries (except when overlapping the quasi-illegal practice of pet-napping). A farmed meat horse (generally a Brabant in developed countries, which is also used to produce mammoth mules) is not a pet, and the meat-raised "yellow dog" of Asian countries is not the same as the family lap-lounger.
~Marrow
But I begin to have a problem when someone states that a dog 'is just a dog' and "they don't need to be with us its just easier to use us that's all they really do lol your giving human emotions to animals again"
Domestication may have begun with a symbiotic relationship thousands of years ago, but it is not this way now. In the Vanya project with Silver Foxes, after 38 generations of selective breeding they are now producing tame and people oriented foxes who crave human companionship. Recent studies of canine cognition prove that dog's have far more complex cognition than previously thought, and have emotions that include empathy, compassion, depression and anxiety. They also suffer from a number of human-like neuroses.
Moving on to horses. Horses have made an enormous contribution to mankind. They have been transportation -- enabling us to settle the west as one example, brave war horses in almost every culture, plowing horses on farms, working horses -- cutting and roping horses, competition horses -- racing, dressage, showing -- and companion animals. With their huge contributions, I personally don't believe it is morally right to also eat them.
It happens here pretty often. There are several topics that people are pretty passionate about and this is one of them haha.
There is one way to solve this. Who on here thinks that having a dog and keeping outside even tho he has adequate exercise, mind stimulation, medical care, compainionship on a different level than sleeping in my bed, and love is wrong? Who thinks that ALL, no matter the breed should be kept indoors, and who thinks that dogs that love outdoors should be outdoors doing their thing out there? Just choose 1, 2, or 3. I feel as if I have started a war but might I add he does come inside on occasion and hang with me if I have something to do where I can't be with him.
There is one way to solve this. Who on here thinks that having a dog and keeping outside even tho he has adequate exercise, mind stimulation, medical care, compainionship on a different level than sleeping in my bed, and love is wrong? Who thinks that ALL, no matter the breed should be kept indoors, and who thinks that dogs that love outdoors should be outdoors doing their thing out there? Just choose 1, 2, or 3. I feel as if I have started a war but might I add he does come inside on occasion and hang with me if I have something to do where I can't be with him.
EXACTLY ITS A DOG NOT A PERSON ITS NATURAL FOR THEM TO BE OUTDOORS.. IF I WANT TO CUDDLE ON A COUCH I CUDDLE WITH MY WIFE LOL. MY DOGS DONT GET ON THE FURNITURE.People frown at outside dogs they think if a dog is not in the home on the sofa its abuse but honestly it depends on the dog. Some dogs like and prefer being outside, others don't. My boys for example don't care too much for the outdoors they do their business and come back in. However before them my previous dogs LOVED the outdoors, the only time they came in was when it was "extreme" heat or cold. You'd tell them to come in the house and they would just lay there and look at you, or run off in the grass, LOL. That was a pain trying to get them in when it started raining.
My friend with the farm also has a few outdoor dogs both hounds ( most likely hunters hounds) they have the freedom to roam the 30 acre property day or night, they do just fine. I'm not advertisng the let your dog roam LOL, but I'm just saying most farms do have outdoor dogs. I know a lady that does rescue who keeps a few dogs outdoors on her property.
As long as you have adequate shelter, food, water, mental stimulation, and attention. I see no reason why a dog can't be outdoors. However that's just my opinion though.....