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Morning Depression?

maedae

Member
First off, thanks so much to everyone who has answered my previous posts about Hank and his naughty teenage stage. The suggestions have really helped. Here is that thread in case anyone thinks that issue is related to this next issue.

http://www.mastiff-forum.com/showthread.php/25506-BB-owner-feeling-lost-and-unsure-advice-desperately-needed-on-how-to-proceed

My 15 month old male BB, Hank, has recently decided that he does not want to get up in the mornings for his walk. He sleeps in our bedroom on the floor in his own bed. He goes to bed with us around 11 after a final short walk to do his business. Until recently, he was the one who would wake us up around 6:30/7:00 to go out. Then my husband would take him for his morning walk and feed him breakfast before getting ready for work himself.

Now, Hank will not get out of bed for anything. The usual tricks have worked once or twice - knocking on the door, making noise with the food bowl, using treats to lure him down. But now nothing short of physically lifting him up out of bed (all 66 kgs of him) will get him moving.

We would just leave him be but I am home with the baby so it is kinda important that my husband can walk him before work. I take the afternoon walks but in the morning I am busy with our little one. And also, it seems that it should be the pack leader who decides when the pack goes out, not the dog.

Anyway, I am just wondering what this is all about. Is he depressed for some reason? Or just tired since we have been trying to wear him out more during the day. Or is this some kind of power struggle? Should we just leave him in bed and make him ask to go out? Does that undermine us as the alphas?

As far as we know he is healthy, pee/poop normally, has energy the rest of the day, is not over weight. This problem started about a month ago but the last two weeks it has gotten worse. Thanks in advance!:)
 

season

Well-Known Member
Take him out when you want to go out. Not when he dictates. Otherwise he's training you. Not sure about the whole depression thing....to me that is another "let's put a label on it" mentality. If "tricks" aren't working (at this stage of the game he shouldn't need gimmicks) then put a leash on and take him out. It's really not a hard fix. If I was to guess, it's probably gotten worse because it's allowed to get worse. He's training you.
 

season

Well-Known Member
Your last post (in my opinion) was a typical dog owner trying to do all of the "right things" in their mind. What wasn't working was your leadership or the way you were going about doing that. Leadership, structure, boundaries, limitations etc aren't a "sometime" thing. They are an every day thing. Dogs protect and get nervous/anxious/fearful because they have no other choice in their mind because they don't feel secure with your ability to protect them. I know a lot of ppl have the illusion that their dog is "doing it's job." It's not our dogs job to protect us. Is our job to do that as owners/leaders. Dogs will do what works for them in the house and out of the house. They know what you know and they know what you don't. Just because a dog can follow commands doesn't mean it respects you. It's doing it because it knows it will get something out of it. Dogs, just like humans, behavior isn't complicated. They (and we) behave because of what it gets us or because what it helps us avoid.
 

maedae

Member
I couldn't agree with you more, Season. But it is one thing to say "you need leadership, structure, boundaries" and another thing to actually create those in your day to day life. My husband and I are trying our very best to do this, but it seems we are not succeeding 100%.

You say just put the leash on him and take him out. But how do I physically do that if he weighs 66kg and I weigh 62kg? I am obviously not winning all the time in the mental game with him.
 

season

Well-Known Member
A dog does not care how big you are. It's about your energy and your command of the situation. I will share an article with you that outlines creating groundwork for you, your dog and your family. If you follow it, it will work. But it's work and you have to be willing to do it. It may mean that you need to go backwards a bit and do some things differently, but that's what it will take.

Leerburg Dog Training | The Ground Work to Becoming Your Puppy's Pack Leader