my trio....

[teodora]

I just took my trio for desexing yesterday. All of them.
I've been a mess all day, calling the vet every half an hour to check on my babies.
Jack started a riot at the vet when he found out mom is gone. They needed to sedate him in the crate (no way to let anyone else than me take him out...) My girls are very lady like and they had manners all the way.

Long story short: all good, they're home.

Jack broke the main sliding door glass as he was unstable on his feet. Awesome additional expense exactly at xmas time.
Sophia played Cinderella all day, but she got off her bed for some duck treats.
And Luna keeps jumping on the two of them.

My crazy life...

 

[gilles]

poor babies ...you know my stand on this issue ...but im glad they are home and ok... they did not put an elizabethean collar on them?

 

[Boxergirl]

I think you're a brave woman, Teodora, to have them all done at once. I just bet you were a complete wreck until they came home. So glad they're all back where they belong, and I think you made a wise decision. Now you never have to worry about pyometra with the girls. Ella cycled every four and a half months-ish. It was really nice when October came and went without a heat and I didn't have to monitor for pyo for a month after. Best thing I ever did for my girl was spay her.

 

[gilles]

I think you're a brave woman, Teodora, to have them all done at once. I just bet you were a complete wreck until they came home. So glad they're all back where they belong, and I think you made a wise decision. Now you never have to worry about pyometra with the girls. Ella cycled every four and a half months-ish. It was really nice when October came and went without a heat and I didn't have to monitor for pyo for a month after. Best thing I ever did for my girl was spay her.

yes sure excuse my lack of sensitivity ...i am a man after all i am glad you are ok too, it must have been very stressful ..

 

[Pastor Dave]

Elizabethian collar?? Is that refer to the "collar of shame"? Best to you in the doggies' recovery time. Merry Christmas.

 

[gilles]

Elizabethian collar?? Is that refer to the "collar of shame"? Best to you in the doggies' recovery time. Merry Christmas.

yes its that horrible plastic thing...i am not sure how in this case it can help since i assume they are all together and not separated, the collar would create something to play or fight for and they can still bite each other's wound...so im just curious how is teodora managing the situation

 

[teodora]

I included an e-collar together with pain medications for home in the form at the vet. There was quite "event" for them as well to bring in 3 fully grown mastiffs in the small reception room. In fact I asked for a different room to keep them for while I filled the forms (endless forms...), as there were many other small doggies there as well as a pitt and a GS, and I didn't see it ending nicely. Somehow they forgot about the collars.

I went to pick my babies up at 3.30 pm and I was given the girls first, both with no collars. Then someone did bring Jack who started pulling with desperation towards his mom. They all had very sad eyes - it broke my heart, really... I loaded the girls in the car, went back to pick up Jack, then I remembered about the collars. But there was no way to put in on Jack, poor thing. He was already scared and unstable on his feet, hiding in every corner... I just give it up on e-collars, said ok, forget it. I had the girls in the car and it was a very hot day, so I was worried about them as well. I just wanted all nightmare with the surgery to be over.

Home, Luna and Sophia went straight to their crates (they had a new bed and a new blanket and a new bone) and slept for the next 8 hours or so. No water, no food.
Jack was so happy to be home that, except for the fact that he was not very well balanced, nothing was different about him. Gulped down food, then went to play with his toys in the middle of my bed. Yep, he did jump in the bed. It's not very high, though.

Second day: most day they played in the house. I have to keep an eye on then and interfere anytime they tend to start rough play: Luna is the most jumpy one so far.

So yep, we manage. It's not so complicate overall. They already feel better, the scars are looking good (very small - the Japanese doctor did a great job). No aggression or anything - they're still on pain medication so I dont' expect them to have unusual reactions. I hope no one is in pain.

I need to put them back in Obedience classes but this won't happen before middle Jan, at earliest.

 

[teodora]

The reasons I decided to have all of them at once was that it's the only time of the year I can stay home with them for at least 2 weeks, also because if they're all past surgery no one will bully the one that has been just fixed. They're all quite low energy right now. Having one to guard from the other 2 would be way more complicated. I also want to start obedience with them all early Jan. I found out that this "all for all" approach works better than selecting one of them at a time. They learn together faster than individually. It helps that we have a nice dynamic in the pack.

 

[7121548]

Glad to hear their procedures went well! I hope they are having an easy recovery.

 

[teodora]

They're all good.
That's me and my lap dog: this is as close to the tree as he gets. He's very much back to his normal crazy self.

 

[teodora]

And this is Elise is a more fairy mood with Luna: Sophia didn't bother to sit nicely for photo session.

 

[DennasMom]

Great pictures. Looks like a lovely, relaxing Christmas!
Glad everyone is recovering nicely!

I never had to put a 'cone of shame' on Denna. She never bothered her stitches. I kept them clean and put neosporin on the incision once a day. I was very glad not to have a big mastiff ramming her head into walls with the big plastic cone!!
Denna's incision scar has disappeared now, too. I wonder if I should have the vet give her a tattoo as proof that she's been "fixed", as you can't tell she's ever had surgery. No body really asks beyond me putting her spay-date on daycare/boarding forms, so, we'll just go with what we got.

 

[PippatheMastiff]

poor babies ...you know my stand on this issue ...but im glad they are home and ok... they did not put an elizabethean collar on them?

I'm curious about your stance on the issue. I haven't spayed my 18 month old because I've heard from breeder and others to wait until age 2 as they need the hormones to grow correctly and less hip/shoulder/spine problems, etc.


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[Boxergirl]

I know Gilles is strongly against altering either sex, but I'll let him answer that for himself. I'm just going to ask that you please do the research on female dogs and pyometra. I absolutely agree with waiting until the dogs reach maturity, but for a female I also strongly suggest spaying after that time. Pyometra is very common - my daughter is a tech at an emergency clinic and they see a lot of pyo cases. Some make it. Many don't. I personally know five people whose females have had pyo. Three of those dogs didn't make it. The shorter the cycle, the greater the risk. I had my Ella spayed in September. She's four years old and cycled every four to five months.

 

[PippatheMastiff]

I know Gilles is strongly against altering either sex, but I'll let him answer that for himself. I'm just going to ask that you please do the research on female dogs and pyometra. I absolutely agree with waiting until the dogs reach maturity, but for a female I also strongly suggest spaying after that time. Pyometra is very common - my daughter is a tech at an emergency clinic and they see a lot of pyo cases. Some make it. Many don't. I personally know five people whose females have had pyo. Three of those dogs didn't make it. The shorter the cycle, the greater the risk. I had my Ella spayed in September. She's four years old and cycled every four to five months.

Thanks for the info! I have never seen a case of it in 10 years. Is it more prevalent in certain breeds? Pippa has cycled twice , 6 months apart. First one was 3 weeks , 2'd lasted 17 days. I'll look it up.


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[PippatheMastiff]

Just spoke to my breeder and she hasn't ever had an incidence of pyo in all 30 years. I'm also a vet tech so I'm wondering if this happens more in certain climates or why it's so prevalent where you are. Thanks for bringing to my attention. I just read that it affects up to 25% of unspayed dogs and cats. So yes it is common. I'm going to either breed or spay Pippa next fall, and if I breed her, will spay her before her next estrus. Thanks again


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[Boxergirl]

Thanks for the info! I have never seen a case of it in 10 years. Is it more prevalent in certain breeds? Pippa has cycled twice , 6 months apart. First one was 3 weeks , 2'd lasted 17 days. I'll look it up.


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The risk increases as dogs get older. Usually what they see in the ER are dogs over 4 years old. I saw you mention that you were a tech in another post. I suspect your clinic probably encourages spay and neuter. Perhaps you've not seen any cases because most of the dogs you see in practice have been altered before it's really a risk? Also - 6 months is normal cycling. Ella was at risk because she cycled so quickly.

 

[Boxergirl]

Just spoke to my breeder and she hasn't ever had an incidence of pyo in all 30 years. I'm also a vet tech so I'm wondering if this happens more in certain climates or why it's so prevalent where you are. Thanks for bringing to my attention. I just read that it affects up to 25% of unspayed dogs and cats. So yes it is common. I'm going to either breed or spay Pippa next fall, and if I breed her, will spay her before her next estrus. Thanks again


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We have some breeders on this forum and I think if you post a question you will find that they've had some issues with pyo. May I ask where you are located? I don't think it has anything at all to do with climate. I think it has to do with having lady parts.

 

[gilles]

I know Gilles is strongly against altering either sex, but I'll let him answer that for himself. I'm just going to ask that you please do the research on female dogs and pyometra. I absolutely agree with waiting until the dogs reach maturity, but for a female I also strongly suggest spaying after that time. Pyometra is very common - my daughter is a tech at an emergency clinic and they see a lot of pyo cases. Some make it. Many don't. I personally know five people whose females have had pyo. Three of those dogs didn't make it. The shorter the cycle, the greater the risk. I had my Ella spayed in September. She's four years old and cycled every four to five months.

pyometra is a risk on intact females if you do not breed them.
i am against any alteration that can fix a problem that did not even happen, the only pro for spaying is avoiding pyometra a condition that is treatable and that is not at all common if you breed the female. the cons of spaying are numerous and are much more probable than pyometra. anyway its my conviction, spaying and neutering are only encouraged in the USA whereas in russia for example its not...its two schools of thoughts.

 

[Boxergirl]

pyometra is a risk on intact females if you do not breed them.
i am against any alteration that can fix a problem that did not even happen, the only pro for spaying is avoiding pyometra a condition that is treatable and that is not at all common if you breed the female. the cons of spaying are numerous and are much more probable than pyometra. anyway its my conviction, spaying and neutering are only encouraged in the USA whereas in russia for example its not...its two schools of thoughts.

It becomes a risk when the bitch is no longer being bred. And no bitch should be bred for her entire life. It is treatable if the symptoms are noticed. Often pyo has very vague symptoms that don't show until it's too late to save the dog. There are two types. Open and closed. Open is the one that has the best option of recovery - although that usually is achieved by an emergency spay. Closed is a very different matter. I would just caution anyone that plans to keep an intact female dog to be very aware of the symptoms of both open and closed pyometra.