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Need advice for a 2-yr old with fear / territorial issues

amymoore27

New Member
Hello everyone! My name is Amy and I'm somewhat new to the Neo world. I have owned OEM's and have been rescuing for many years. I personally have two failed fosters (an OEM and a BM). I've fostered Boerboels, Bullmastiffs, OEM's, Neo/BM mix (puppy), etc. Kali is my first Neo foster. I was somewhat prepared for her "attitude" but I'm not sure how to deal with it.

When she first came to me a few months ago, she had HW's and was about 20lbs underweight and was extremely fearful. I can tell she has been beaten because she will cower down and put her nose in a corner and not come out if you raise your hand too fast. Its extremely sad. She was eager for you to pet her but she would pee all over the place the second you reached toward her. She never growled or anything with me. She did snap a few times at my boyfriend the first time he met her but she has never done it since. It did take her about 3 weeks before she wouldn't pee if he touched her, though. We figured out that what worked with her. When he comes over to visit, he doesn't acknowledge her at first. He goes straight out to the back yard and she will run out to see him. He tells her to come and she will run over and drop and roll. Then he gives her lovin' and if she pees, at least she is in the yard. It took longer than I thought to acclimate her to my two male dogs. She has bonded quickly with my male Bullmastiff. They play non-stop all day. She lays on the bed with him and she allows him to go in her crate. She "tolerates" my OEM but continually tries to dominate him (and he is the more submissive of my two dogs). She gets snappy when he comes to me for affection and she corners him and attacks (but has never hurt him) when he goes near her crate or food. She corrects very easily, though. I can say HEY and she stops immediately. It was a good 2 months before I allowed her the opportunity to free roam when I am not home. I normally kept her crated when I was gone for the protection of my other dogs. She has been doing great and hasn't destroyed anything.

I found, early on, that she is VERY smart and eager to please. She learns commands so fast. Because she is territorial, I make her eat in another room. She will inhale her bowl of food and then go for everyone elses. So she has to sit and wait for her food til I tell her it is OK. She does it like a champ. If I have a treat, she has to go to her crate and she sits and waits patiently. She has to sit and wait for me to give her a toy if she wants to play (she is rather OCD about toys and becomes very territorial over them.. she destroyed a black extreme kong in 11 minutes... I timed her). Walking her on a leash has been a challenge but she is getting better. I've been using a gentle leader, which she hates, but at least she isn't dragging me across the yard anymore. While walking on a leash, she will bark and lunge towards people she sees so it has been a little more of a challenge than I'd like. She knows "Off" when I want her off the bed or off the sofa. She knows the dog door. She learned "outside" within 2 days of being here. If I tell her "take it outside" she will take whatever she is chewing on and go outside with it. I can tell her "crate" and she goes in the crate. I've taught her sit, stay, etc. She will go in the shower with the water running if I tell her to go in. Nail trimming isnt something she is very fond of (as I've found with most of my dogs).

She is very submissive. You can count it down. The second you touch her it is like... 5, 4 3... drop and roll. She loves belly rubs and will drop the minute she thinks she might get one. She is one of the most hyper mastiffs I've ever been around. She can play for hours. She never seems to tire out. So this was an issue with the HW treatment because I couldn't keep her calm and quiet. However, we got through that, finally. She wants to have a toy in her mouth at all times. She entertains herself by throwing the toy in the air, chasing it, shaking it , etc. She is VERY entertaining. You can see her in action, here: [video=youtube;246t_dnDCuw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=246t_dnDCuw[/video]


Now that she has completely and totally bonded with me she is starting to be more confident and less submissive. Her territorial/protective instinct is becoming more intense. She doesn't want ANYONE near the house. She set off my window break alarm sensors yesterday and the police were at my house. If she sees someone or something outside the house, she literally charges the window. When a door-to-door salesman came by, she was charging the door. The next door neighbor had roofers on his house and she was practically body slamming the fence to get to them. My other neighbor is terrified of her cause she runs and hits the fence when he is mowing the lawn. It is in these moments that she will NOT listen to me or focus on me. I have to go out and physically remove her from the situation. When I have friends over, I have to crate her because she goes ballistic. I just ask them to ignore her and when she calms down and sits nicely for me, I allow her out of the crate. She will run over and smell them and many times pee all over the place if they touch her. She has been fine with them after I leave her crated for the first 15-20 minutes that they are there. She did snap at a friends daughter. She came up and started giving her kisses so I thought, OK, she is fine. But when the girl started laughing, she snapped. Lesson learned... no kids. I have said No Kids anyways from day one because of how territorial she is with toys. I have been plowed over and growled at for taking a toy. Of course she does not do that with me now. She can have a toy in her mouth and I can stick my whole hand in her mouth and she won't do anything.

When she was at the vet for her HW treatment, they RAVED about how sweet she was. They said it was hard to give her the injections because the second they touched her, she was on her back wanting a belly rub. She was giving them tons of kisses and loving all over them. I put her in the car and went back to pay (left the car running cause I have a remote start on it). A tech came out to say goodbye to her and she went NUTS and was lunging and snapping at the tech. I was inches from her face and she never lunged or snapped at me. I THINK she was being protective of the car because 10 minutes before, this same person went on and on about how loving and sweet she was. Today, I took her in for her spay and we had her on the scale. The tech (a different one) was standing in front of her and reached over her to reset the scale and she snapped at the tech. Normally, outside the home and car, she is an angel. So this new "reaction" has me even more concerned. I obviously want her to go to the best home and I want it to be a home that is very knowledgable about the breed and will take my warnings and suggestions to heart. I've asked the rescue to refer me to a behaviorist.

So, after my long drawn out post... my question is.... what can I do, at home, to help minimize this type of reaction? I live alone so its just me. I don't want her to become so protective of me that she will snap at a new family. I don't want to set her up to fail. She is beautiful and smart and an amazingly sweet dog. I think I would DIE if something bad happened to her.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

Amy


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DennasMom

Well-Known Member
hmm... no body chimed in yet?

I'd work on some things you can have her do, so when you're in an iffy situation, you can have her do something - that will lower your stress some, and should help her relax, too.

For the vet visits - I'd use "sit" and "look at me" (or "focus"), whatever you use.... and provide treats when she does. If she's like Denna, she expects to be 'paid' for her work. lol.

For the lawn mower incidents - walk over to her calmly and make sure you have a collar on her - leash her up, and then do some command practice there next to the lawn mower. You might need to get some distance first, so she can focus (and get some REALLY high value treats, too). Then, as she starts to get back in working mode (working for you... not guarding the property from the machine) - you can move closer and try to get her to stay focused on you and ignore the mower. Same deal as vacuum training inside...

Probably not much different than you're doing - just a little more of it. Keep practicing commands and treat/reward for them sporadically so she's always willing to work, but not doesn't get too fixated on only working for the treat in your hand. One trainer of ours suggested putting small piles of treats around the house (outside of the dog's reach), so we could surprise Denna with treats after doing as we asked... so she'd never know when there was or wasn't going to be a treat... theory is they work more diligently when there's the hope for a treat, even if it doesn't happen every time.

Hopefully the behaviorist will have some good ideas on things to do.
Thanks for taking all these pups in and helping them find a better life!
 

ruthcatrin

Well-Known Member
I don't always read the breed specific stuff, so I missed this.

I do recommend a behavorist if you can find one with giant/guardian breed experience. There are likely signals that are being missed.

For the neighbor with the lawn mower, ask him to let you know when he's headed out to mow so you can work with her. Put her on a leash and sit on the porch/steps with her, and work with her on some basic commands.

Work with her on an "its ok" command. Don't JUST stop her from alerting and going nuts at the window/door/fence but also tell her "its ok" and then leash her and ask her to do things, or at least remain calm.

And keep in mind that Neos are a highly protective breed so you're not going to be able to cancel all of it.

For the problems with other people near you. Do you have a friend or family member you trust to hold her leash? I'm curious how she'd react with you and a friend handling her where the friend is in control.
 

Hector

Well-Known Member
Okay, the more I look at her the more I believe she is a Fila Brasileiro. At 2 years old, her temperment is pretty much set. Filas are known for their extreme distrust/hate of strangers. It is termed "ojeriza". The degree of ojeriza varies from dog to dog and the amount of socialization it has had during puppyhood years. It is a good sign she has bonded with you and gets along with your other dogs for the most part. They are extremely protective of their family. If you research more about the fila and read on this forum, you will understand her behavior towards strangers. Filas can tolerate strangers, but since she is already 2 years old, I don't think it will be possible in her situation. This is another reason why you should either have her crated, or on a leash and muzzled when strangers come over just for everyone's safety. Also, people need training too. She is not your average household dog. She is a true, serious guardian breed. People coming into your house need to act normal, not crazy loud, or stupid. They need to ignore her, don't even look, touch or acknowlege her. Like what you have already observed with her and your boyfriend. She probably was never exposed to kids, that's why she snapped when she laughed. It's something strange to her. That is why early socialization will prevent these kinds of reactions later on in life. When Hector was first exposed to kids at the house, he growled, ran and was scared of them. After a couple of meetings, he absolutely loves them. They can act stupid, jump, scream and he will just watch and get excited. Even though I know he is good with kids, I will never leave them unsupervised because kids will be kids. As for the walks, she needs to learn how to walk on a leash without pulling. She needs to be walked in areas where she is far from people. That will be up to you as to how big her space bubble is. Overtime you will know, she will let you know.

The traits you described as her being submissive, playful, smart, easy to train are all the same traits my dog has. He is also a black fila. I have had him since 4 months old and he is now 11 months and he does not have nearly the same degree of stranger aggression as she has. For food aggression, you can try feeding her in the crate or hand feeding her with no other dogs around. I've had a lot of success with food reward based training. I've taught Hector a number of tricks with it and it is a great way to bond and also for her to work for her food. Since she is aggressive with her toys too, you need to put away the toys when playtime is over. Everytime she wants to act like a brat, she needs a firm no and have the toy put away. Also, if she doesn't really get along with one of your dogs, I wouldn't trust her free roaming when you are not home. You just don't know her well enough and she is new to the household and you have the responsibility to make sure all your dogs are safe. As for going to the vet, put a muzzle on her. Maybe take her in for short training sessions, reward her for the behavior you want. Yea, she will need the basic training down and you will need to make sure you can engage her before you take her in where there will be lots of people and activity and that will set her off. The key is to get her focused before she can react. Learn the signs and keep it short.

Yes, you should consult a behaviorist/trainer, but not ones that are going to shock the aggression out of her or prong the crap out of her. She is handler soft, those methods will backfire. I wish you luck and it's never easy especially with a dog that requires an experienced and understanding hand. So sad she was dumped at the shelter because the previous owners are idiots and didn't research the breed before they got her.

Sorry this was so long, I really do wish you both the best and thank you for taking her in.