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Need your help about a Dogue deBordeaux!

Mark B

Member
Thanks for all your input. I'll be buying him tomorrow.
Neo bull: as far as him weighing 66lbs. he is all muscle and is going to be big. He comes direct from an awesome champion bloodline. And they are big!
 

NeoBull

Well-Known Member
I guess I was just wondering, since you were talking about showing, if he would go over the standard, or is that OK?
 

Cody

Well-Known Member
So question about DDB top lines; what is the ideal for the DDB?
He was a good looking pup, loved his head, but for me he looked roachy, rounded croup, and not a lot of reach or drive when moving.
Is that age, or common in the DDB?
 

Oak Hill Farm

Well-Known Member
I thought the same thing about roach back, and his loin looks a bit off. His reach is affected by his dropped pasterns which gives him slightly splayed feet as well.
 

Demetrius

Member
I completely agree with you.
I guess I was just wondering, since you were talking about showing,
if he would go over the standard, or is that OK?
 

Mark B

Member
Oak hill can you explain your last post?

---------- Post added at 03:11 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:08 PM ----------

Neobull: It only takes a day to get him. But honestly some of the posts are making me second guess is he is a good dog.
 

Mark B

Member
Neobull: It only takes a day to get him. But honestly some of the posts are making me second guess is he is a good dog.
 

Oak Hill Farm

Well-Known Member
Roach back is he has an elevated curve to his topline (more than the average). It could be that his croup "top of the butt" is too rounded, giving the impression of a roach back. Either way it will be faulted in a show ring. His loin (top inner point of hip) moves "off" also. This whole area could be from one structural flaw, I just can't put my finger on which one with the video shown. When moving in the ring, you want a big reach forward "flashy mover". He doesn't have that. I think it is in part from his hip issue but could also be from his pasterns (ankle). The rotate down toward the ground instead of straight up from the rear of the paw, which causes his paws to flare out "splay foot" in compensation. This can be caused by kennel life (small pen on rocks/concrete), poor nutrition, or structural flaw. If it is environment, you can correct the issue, if it is structural you can't.

I am not an expert on DDB though. Maybe it is a "wonky" growth stage, and his rear end will catch up. I am not familiar with their age/growth pattern. I know DDB are more rounded in the croup than other mastiffs, so it may be a possibility. The breeder should be able to tell you, as they will be familiar with their lines. I personally would not choose him for show quality, I would pet him out.
 

NeoBull

Well-Known Member
Neobull: It only takes a day to get him. But honestly some of the posts are making me second guess is he is a good dog.

Could you contact another reputable DDB show breeder with some champions, dogs currently in the ring, experiences picking show prospects and get a second opinion from them? I think it would be worth a try, if you have your heart set on showing him. If you're more interested in him as a pet that you may or may not show then you can just get him and see how it goes I guess.
 

biggie

Member
Judging from the personality of the pup he looks timid, shy and a bit vary. In my opinion shy and vary pups generally don't turn into great show dogs, he walks funny too. Good bits are he has massive paws and a huge bone structure which is always a plus for a stud dog. I am attaching a video of Raymond triquet

[video=youtube;mdGokoX5-34]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdGokoX5-34[/video]

[video=youtube;hl9-oFLg_go]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl9-oFLg_go&feature=relmfu[/video]

Hope this helps!
 

susanhunn

New Member
Hi everyone. I am new here and came across this website as my puppy also gas an arched back which I am worried about. He has been seen by my vet and she didn't raise any concerns about it but I am nit so sure. His back as I mentioned is arched and his spine appears to be ridged. He is 17 weeks old now and currently weighs 24.8kg. I would appreciate any advice. I will pistols some photos. Thanks all in advance.
 

Chad Anderson

Well-Known Member
susanhunn,

IMO, it is hard to tell as such a young age. IMO, all bordeaux's grow differently and at different rates. Some grow tall in front first, some grow tall in rear first. This can contribute to the arched back "LOOK". Arched back would make the spine appear ridged. Some heads come in earlier than others. You are always taking a chance, the best thing to do is consider their parents and pedigree. AND you can get a great dogue from average parents and you can get a mediocre dog from great parents. 24.8 kg seems like a good weight to me. At a young age, I look for obvious defaults, bone size & structure, and big round heads. Even though a trapazoidal head is the standard, they will get that with age. Just my opinion.
 

mcarrel

Well-Known Member
My dogue pup goes through wonky growths like that where his back looks sort of arched then he evens out. During teething his feet splayed his pasterns went down it was awful and nearly sent me into a nervous breakdown. Now that teething is done his pasterns are up and feet are tight. Dogues have some horrible puppy ugly fazes. lol
I will say had I known that this breed has devolved to the point where a 5 year or less lifespan is common I would have never got another. My first dogue I bought in the 90s lived to the ripe old age of 13. Brutus (my first dogue) was very athletic his constant companion was my little 35lb APBT who he played nonstop with. I have a hard time imagining most of the dogues I see now having that much energy. :(
 
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