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[teodora]

I think it's up to the way they've been raised as puppies: mine don't have any "spot" that hasn't been touched thousand times when they were few weeks old, i can take food or any high value item from them any time. I would not let a baby close to any dog because I had a personal bad experience with this. I trust Jack 200% with cuddles with me or my child, he IS a very "huggable" dog and he begs for it - I don't trust the girls so much because, with no intention to harm, they can still play rough so I monitor /limit interaction. On the other side, my child is almost 10 yo, she knows damn well not to hurt them in any way and not to annoy them. They won't react but it's my responsibility to protect them from being pestered. I don't let other kids around them because I don't trust other people's kids, not because I don't trust my dogs.

 

[KateJ]

On a completely unrelated note... I cant upload pics. Ive tried from my computer and also through photobucket. Do you need to be a paying member of this forum to upload pics?

 

[Oscar'sMom]

On a completely unrelated note... I cant upload pics. Ive tried from my computer and also through photobucket. Do you need to be a paying member of this forum to upload pics?

The forum is going thru changes so a lot is fickle right now. I post from photobucket. Use the IMG link and copy paste and it should work fine

 

[Winter's Cinder]

Marke and season... I completely understand what you are saying... I was raised with dogs... at 7 yrs old my uncle had a couple of red Dobies that had their tails cropped too short (he was very mad) and for xmas that yr we got the male!!! Choco put on a good show with strangers but he was the biggest teddy bear... we had various other dogs growing up...
After growing up and moving out my brother had half bro/sis pits that he raised from birth (his roommate bred them) the brother was 9 months and the sis 3 months when my oldest daughter was born... I also had 2 mutts, one large and one small... when my daughter was almost 3 (my 2 dogs had passed) and my brother and I were living together... his 2 dogs loved my daughter ... she was a very loving and caring source of sharing her food!!! LOL... the last few yrs the pits are older but in excellent health and all 4 of my kids have had lots of time with them...
We have an older cat that has been my husband's since he was a kitten... Mr. Blue is NOT a kid person... he avoids them at all costs... but since he is older he is happy to watch the world from our bedroom window until they go to bed and then he comes out to hang with us... my children have been taught they must respect the animal... since the 3 youngest are so young they are still learning... but they know the boundries...

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[Winter's Cinder]

My 6 yr old daughter learned the hard way... we were at a friends for a cook out.. they had a dog (im not sure of the breed.. med size) and she had asked and had permission to play with this dog... the owner had even showed her how to throw the floppy frizbee and what to say to get the dog to drop it at her feet so she couple throw it again... they got along very well... but in a split second less than 2 feet from me... something happened... im not sure exactly what happened.... but my daughter was hands and knees on the ground with the Frisbee and the dog was right in her face... my daughter was trying to hide her face... but the dog was really going at her... I picked her up and she was crying... she had some scratch marks around one eye so I carried her in the house and cleaned it up and checked her over... after asking her what had happened. .. I came to the conclusion they were both after the frizbee and they both got excited... it happens... she didn't have anymore interest in playing with dog... the next morning I was checking her marks and the scratch marks were starting to fade... what concerned me was the bruises that had surfaced and you could def see she had 2 specific bite marks... it was barely enough to have broken the skin and if it hadn't been for the bruising I probably wouldn't have seen it so defined... again... I chalked it up to the fact they had both been playing with the Frisbee and had probably gotten too excited... a week or so later I learned this was not the first time this dog had a run in with a child... my daughter was not seriously injured... but she could have been... now... my daughter did everything she was supposed to do... she asked to approach the dog, she asked to play with him, and she was given permission by both me and the owner... but had I known there were previous situations with this dog, I wouldn't have let her play with him... now... do I blame the dog for what happened? No, not totally... the dog had a few issues yes... but because I didn't see what intitally lead to the encounter... I cant not say my daughter did something to provoke it... but most of my blame lands on the owner for not disclosing the previous information... had the owner done that... I wouldn't have allowed her to play with the dog...

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[Winter's Cinder]

I agree with laying the ground work for both kids and dogs... they both MUST be taught boundries and rules... Cinder is still a very young pup, and she is learning quickly. My kids are learning too... they have had some situations with our new puppy that have taught them she is just as young as they are and she is learning to listen to what we teach her. There have been some small puppy bites here and there... nothing major... but enough to make the kids understand they need to give her space. .. the kids get really irritated when they have done something g that lead to cinder getting a little excited and they get nibbled... (no blood, just more scared than anything) and then i wont punish cinder... they are made to understand they can't do whatever they were doing and expect cinder to understand... they must teach her too... they are learning mom won't let cinder get out of hand and walk all over them... but the street runs both ways...

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[marke]

I agree with you on this one, marke. I have seen this photo floating around FB for awhile now, and it's always made me feel uneasy. Having a DDB that is pretty much bomb-proof when it comes to humans, of all ages ( very tolerant of the stupidest behavior from people...not so much with other canines, but that's another story), still....there is something about the intensity of this Dogue that really bothers me...that I don't quite trust. The infant is left vulnerable- and all it takes is a split second...

I've see my dogues take that interest in kids and small dogs , the dog doesn't have to be mean to want to snatch what has it that interested , and they don't have hands to snatch it with ......... I remember years ago a guy posting a pic of his kid hugging the head of his American bulldog , Mark Landers (MGK) told the guy to be careful with that dog around his kid . if you knew what you were looking at , you could see it in the moment of that pic ..... the guy sold the dog to another family , the dog mauled their kid ......... lots of times the camera just catches that instant , when the dogs body language is something your just familiar with ........... I've introduced adult dogs to newborn babies before , I've seen that interest , it's a little scary to me , even when it's my dog ....... not a chance in hell would I let that dog check out that babies head , imo it's ridiculous ...... my dog would be sniffing that baby in my arms , through my arms , and the babies backside ........

 

[Winter's Cinder]

The photo I posted was meant to address the the question of the thread and show how our new puppy likes to lean... I can understand how someone might see it out of the context it was meant... and I appreciate the concern for both my son and my dog... I took 5 or six photos of that encounter... Cinder looking over his shoulder as he was playing on his tablet... Cinder licking the screen because I'm sure it hasn't been cleaned and tasted good!!, cinder seemingly giving up and laying down next to him and then the photo of her last ditch effort to crawl on his lap in hopes of getting him to pay attention to her... lol.. again I appreciate the concern for both of them... and im in no way offended by what you stated... I just want my kids (2 and 4 legged) to be happy and healthy together.

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[marke]

And that could be said about any pic u see a dog and a baby/child together in what owners think is "cute". Pics are subjective but the stats on dog bites and dogs being put down are not. Those numbers don't lie. For every "cute" pic (wether we think it's safe or not) there is a story about a dog biting a child or adult and those same ppl claiming they never saw it coming. I love looking at pics as much as the next person. I know what I'm doing when it comes to keeping my dog safe. Many don't. Carpe Diem

season , I respect your passion for the dogs , and apparent love and respect for your dog , but I disagree ,the same thing cannot be said about these three pics ....... one is possibly deadly , the other very possibly injurious , with a kid that young possibly serious , I've mother dogs accidently hurt their own pups by taking off after something .... the other is as safe as having a puppy and young kid can be .............. imo , a puppy or dog in a house with small kids has no personal space , unless they are locked safely away in a childproof kennel ........

 

[season]

season , I respect your passion for the dogs , and apparent love and respect for your dog , but I disagree ,the same thing cannot be said about these three pics ....... one is possibly deadly , the other very possibly injurious , with a kid that young possibly serious , I've mother dogs accidently hurt their own pups by taking off after something .... the other is as safe as having a puppy and young kid can be .............. imo , a puppy or dog in a house with small kids has no personal space , unless they are locked safely away in a childproof kennel ........

All I'm saying is that pictures don't tell the whole story. It's up to how we perceive them. Some think all of those pics are cute. I err on the side of caution. Not cuteness. You can't tell everything by a picture. Only what u think. I have a pic of my mom and dad when I was three. They looked happy as can be. Not.


Carpe Diem

 

[season]

The photo I posted was meant to address the the question of the thread and show how our new puppy likes to lean... I can understand how someone might see it out of the context it was meant... and I appreciate the concern for both my son and my dog... I took 5 or six photos of that encounter... Cinder looking over his shoulder as he was playing on his tablet... Cinder licking the screen because I'm sure it hasn't been cleaned and tasted good!!, cinder seemingly giving up and laying down next to him and then the photo of her last ditch effort to crawl on his lap in hopes of getting him to pay attention to her... lol.. again I appreciate the concern for both of them... and im in no way offended by what you stated... I just want my kids (2 and 4 legged) to be happy and healthy together.

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Well said. I was hoping you wouldn't be offended. Glad u weren't. There have been ppl on this forum that have had their dogs bite their kids. I'm sure they have cute pics of the dog and kid looking completely happy etc. Then "without warning (sarcasm)" the dog bites the kid and the dog takes the blame. Just teach your dog (and kids) proper boundaries. Rules etc. Loving dogs is the easy part. Have a great day!


Carpe Diem

 

[BAMCB]

I was finally getting my preschooler to understand "personal space" to only have him replaced with a 140# mastiff! Lol she is learning though.

 

[maryl]

I think one of the problems is that people don't realize that most dogs don't recognize babys and young children as human. They don't smell like adults, don't look like adults, don't sound like adults and don't move like adults. Young puppies equate children with siblings and treat them that way unless taught differently. I realize that the pic of the pup lying on the child was meant as "cute" and innocent, but that pup was using the child as a sibling substitute. Not a good setup.

 

[teodora]

i agree babies can be considered squeaky toys. I am not sure about older kids and I guess it depends a lot on the older child's behavior. A calm, confident kid, giving the same commands as the adults in the family on a clear tone and doing some obedience under supervision would help both of them (kid and dog) get oriented who is who. I personally dislike jumpy and screaming kids and not only that i won't let them around puppies, i don't want them around me as well. As a parent I strongly believe you're responsible to educate your kids and this is not "fun" - this is a distressed child with too much built up energy and doesn't serve any purpose. Redirect your kid to something else, playground/sports/hobbies/bike etc. - so he/she doesn't have to ruin the furniture, his own vocal cords and everybody's nerves. A child screaming on the top of his/her lungs and behaving like tarzan in the jungle is not "cute": its a nuisance to everybody around.

 

[BAMCB]

I learned with my first mastiff and my then 1.5yr old and almost 3 yr old kids. Agro most certainly thought they were "playmates" and it took a lot to break him of it. I was not aware and thought they were cute together also until he was getting bigger. Never hurt anyone but lesson learned for me. I must admit I was only 20yrs old and he was my first dog to train myself. Amazing how much each of our pets teach us. And crazy to think that was almost 19 yrs ago!

 

[NYDDB]

I don't have any kids, but Mateo has met quite a lot, and befriended a few. Here are some pics I found-- the first is at an impromptu birthday party in Central Park where the Mom (a dog owner herself), wanted to include all the dogs in the celebration. I knew Mateo was familiar with the baby, and his soft facial expression shows it- but I still wanted to hold on to him...just because it's responsible to do so. Then about a year later, the same little girl, along with another boy that he was friends with---just ran into them on the way home, and took some pics. As easy going as my boy is with the little ones, I still know how vulnerable little kids are...and so, stay very close.

 

[teodora]

Mateo obviously enjoys interaction with kids. I've seen my dogs "softening" their expression when they look at Elise.

 

[NYDDB]

It's funny, but the biggest worry I have with Mateo (or used to have; he's pretty much outgrown it) was when a toddler would walk down the street carrying a big stuffed teddy bear or something...right at his level, too. I could see his focus change- and if I wasn't quick enough, he would make a bee-line to snatch the stuffy off the poor kid...

 

[teodora]

Jack and Elise.

His usual self:

 

[teodora]

It's funny, but the biggest worry I have with Mateo (or used to have; he's pretty much outgrown it) was when a toddler would walk down the street carrying a big stuffed teddy bear or something...right at his level, too. I could see his focus change- and if I wasn't quick enough, he would make a bee-line to snatch the stuffy off the poor kid...

lol, Jack got one from me once - I was moving Elise's toys - and we sorted out once for good. ) All stuffed toys are MINE if not stated otherwise! )))